Dissapointed with SSR

dianeschlicht said:
My other concern is that if a lot of SSR members are always booking the other resorts at 7 months and start finding it difficult, that DVC will do away with that 7 month window.

I took that to be worrying that it could go away. If that's a misinterpretation, I apologize.

Not trying to argue, but that one really took me by surprise. Especially, when posted by someone whose posts I tend to see eye to eye with.

It would be just as easy, if not easier, for DVC to say no trading to other DVC resorts. Another perk that is not guaranteed forever.
 
icy-dog said:
[...] There aren't many owners from any of the other DVC resorts planning trips to SSR.[...] and since many people don't want to go there (SSR), [...]
Of course, we have no facts to back this up; just a few DIS DVCers who are projecting their own dislike for SSR on to a large group of others.

Good luck with your worrying, though!
 
agotta said:
I guess what I don't understand is why you all assume that everyone from SSR is going to book other places. I know that I am just ONE example, but there have been a ton of posts that state how much SSR owners love SSR.

No, I personally don't like SSR and plan to use my vacations elsewhere. With that said, I never said I am going to vacation at OKW everytime. Next year we are going on another cruise. The year after, who knows! One of the biggest selling points of DVC for us, was the flexibilty. DVC was developed that way for a reason.

I think there is a lot of "panicking" for no reason.
I totally agree with your first and last point here! I'm curious why it is assumed that SSR owners will only be booking other places. Is it because it has been harder to get villas on shorter notice over the past 6 months to a year, I have seen this myself. Therefore, agotta, I wonder what you'll do when you can only get into SSR, the resort you own at? Will you just choose not to vacation at WDW?

We own at SSR and DH can't wait to go there to stay. We do however like to stay at the different resorts depending on on vacation style for that particular trip. I have to agree with many posters that if you bought at a resort that you never plan to stay at, it's probably not the best situation as you may have no other choice sometimes.
 
wtpclc said:
I took that to be worrying that it could go away. If that's a misinterpretation, I apologize.

Not trying to argue, but that one really took me by surprise. Especially, when posted by someone whose posts I tend to see eye to eye with.

It would be just as easy, if not easier, for DVC to say no trading to other DVC resorts. Another perk that is not guaranteed forever.
That's right. I would never assume that the booking windows and trading options would remain the same as they are at the time of purchase any more than I would expect the perks to be the same. Just ask all the folks who purchased up to 1996 when they got free passes until 2000. What a great perk that was while it lasted!
 

Since I am happy to stay at my home resort and book in the home resort advantage window (whatever that is), I don't care where SSR owners book. But I think a lot of people are upset not about the SSR owners, but about the balance.

BCVs and VWL have RELATIVELY the same number of rooms. If proprotionally the owners want to swap resorts at the same rate, the chances are pretty good most people will be successful. As resorts are added, the balance shifts - big resorts make it more challenging for ALL OWNERS to book smaller non-home resorts. Not that it won't happen, but you'll find that availability at small resorts at six months is much tighter than it is now.

Personally, I suspect the market will take care of the problem - we will see more specific trading going on over on the rent trade board. i.e. I'll get you a BWV standard view room at Food and Wine if you get me a VWL room in Early December. If that comes to bear and a "trading market" develops - SSR owners may understand why so many people are concerned about the balance.
 
Alexander said:
I totally agree with your first and last point here! I'm curious why it is assumed that SSR owners will only be booking other places. Is it because it has been harder to get villas on shorter notice over the past 6 months to a year, I have seen this myself. Therefore, agotta, I wonder what you'll do when you can only get into SSR, the resort you own at? Will you just choose not to vacation at WDW?

We own at SSR and DH can't wait to go there to stay. We do however like to stay at the different resorts depending on on vacation style for that particular trip. I have to agree with many posters that if you bought at a resort that you never plan to stay at, it's probably not the best situation as you may have no other choice sometimes.

When I can't get into anywhere but SSR, I will do one of two things. Sell my points to stay somewhere else (on property) or suck it up. It's not that SSR is horrible and I refuse to stay there. It is that I have a choice right now, and my choice is not to stay at SSR. We basically bought in when we did because of a CM discount, but also because of the flexibility. But I totally understand that flexiblity is not a guarantee. SSR is a beautiful resort, just not my cup of tea. But believe me, I understand the benefits of staying at such a resort, if it was my only option.

Amanda
 
While there are certainly no guarantees, I feel pretty confident that there will be future options for people that don't care for SSR as well. They will probably be bigger like SSR which will continue to "unbalance things" but I just don't see SSR being THE END of the DVC resort building.
 
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WolfpackFan said:
I'm confused - it takes a half an hour to walk to the pool and back, but folks say it only takes 5 minutes to walk to DTD? BTW - You sure aren't shy about displaying your dislike of this resort. I'm sure that makes the folks who just bought there feel real good. What a shame.


You are totally missing the point. I have never tried to make anyone feel bad about buying into SSR. DVC is a great program, SSR is not horrible just not for us. Message boards are designed to help inform travelers and provide reviews of properties. Those reviews by nature and unless people are just plain lying will be both positive and negative. I take offense to this view on these boards that anyone who dislikes a resort and posts as much is a "bad guy". I am not a "bad guy". What I am is a guy who will always give an honest opinion of resorts I've visited. This everything is great attitude is not realistic and not productive. As a guy who travels a lot (8 weeks per year) I want to hear all comments, good and bad. This helps temper expectations and lets people know what to look out for or what to expect. I should not be made to feel bad for posting my honest views of any property. Opinions are just that and I am as entitled to mine as you are to yours. Happy travels.

DAVE
 
Daitcher said:
... What I am is a guy who will always give an honest opinion of resorts I've visited. This everything is great attitude is not realistic and not productive. As a guy who travels a lot (8 weeks per year) I want to hear all comments, good and bad. This helps temper expectations and lets people know what to look out for or what to expect. I should not be made to feel bad for posting my honest views of any property. ...

Honest opinions are always welcome, but sometimes invite others to post their own "honest" opinions that may be contrary to your own. The problem is aggravated when some "honest" opinions are seemingly repeated at every opportunity (creating an impression of some ulterior motive) or include exaggerations. The net result is that those "honest" opinions lose the very validity they were intending to create and may even cause others to regard that poster as the "guy who hates ... (fill in the blank with any resort)" and thus make future "honest" opinions by that person be regarded as less valuable.

When someone's "honest" opinion labels a resort as "subpar" or includes comments like "No food served poolside? Do they want dripping wet people trudging into AP for lunch? No room service? Some families don't like to eat out or cook in. Staying in Congress Park rooms and forget something in your room when at the main pool? Enjoy the half hour to walk back, elevator up and down and then walk back to the pool. Have arms full of groceries for your Villa? Enjoy those five trips up and down because there are no carts to help you. The other option is to go up to the room, call bell services( good luck catching them there) and then wait for them to come over. Want to eat dinner at AP? Enjoy those limited and lunch oriented choices.", the impression made may be perceived as less than "honest". Those very comments certainly invite opposing views to point out other aspects to consider.

Surely, a simple statement about personal disappointment regarding the AP menu or wishing that luggage carts were available could have provided the same sentiment without pushing others to respond with the same intensity. It would still have given others an oppportunity to offer their own experiences at the resort in a constructive fashion.

Hopefully, "honest" opinions can contain both constructive criticism and deserved praise to invite balanced comment on all aspects of the DVC program. The extremes sometimes encourage confusion for those seeking information.

Enjoy!
 
Just wonder if people's opinions might change once SSR is completed. If they add a sit down restuarant, internal bus service like OKW, possible additions like the existing theater showing old Disney movies or adding horse stables(all conjecture), will people enjoy SSR more?

While I like the idea of many resorts to choose from, I've been to both OKW and VWL and neither is really my cup of tea(except the extra sq. footage of OKW). Which leaves me BWV(where I own) and BCV(where I want to do an add-on). I guess the 11-7 month times won't really mean much to me.

Each resort should offer something of different but major value for DVC owners.

My basics:

OKW - Large rooms, parking in front of unit, cheaper points
BWV - Boardwalk, Epcot, Disney Studios, avail. cheaper points or best view
BCV - Boardwalk, Epcot, Disney Studios, SAB
VWL - Wilderness theme, lake, boat to MK
SSR - Spa, Downtown Disney, ?(something added in next 3 years).
 
agotta said:
I guess what I don't understand is why you all assume that everyone from SSR is going to book other places. I know that I am just ONE example, but there have been a ton of posts that state how much SSR owners love SSR.

And was there something said about DVC doing away with the 7-month window? If not, then this is all just hearsay.

No, I personally don't like SSR and plan to use my vacations elsewhere. With that said, I never said I am going to vacation at OKW everytime. Next year we are going on another cruise. The year after, who knows! One of the biggest selling points of DVC for us, was the flexibilty. DVC was developed that way for a reason.

I think there is a lot of "panicking" for no reason.
Since I have been one of the ones that's posted this idea, I will respond. No one said SSR wasn't going to be a great resort or that all members bought to use the points elsewhere. But I can tell you that compared to the new resorts we've seen come along since DIS has been around, SSR has had the least positives and the most negatives posted. In essence, the members on DIS have posted far more negatives and less positives than they did for VWL and BCV, the only two other resorts that started selling new once DIS has been going. I'd say that it's even been more negatively received OVERALL compared to points sold at HH and VB since both were still in a major selling phase for several years and thus written about a lot here as well.

IMO, SSR is far more like OKW than it is BWV, BCV and VWL. It is my opinion AND my impression from seeing posts on this board that a higher percentage of SSR owners will use other resorts at the 7 month window than the reverse, likely slightly more than OKW but somewhat similar overall. And if OKW were selling today, I would say the same thing. I think we CAN say the same thing about OKW resales at present. That doesn't mean SSR is a bad resort and isn't putting it down, it's just being realistic. I think it's easy to know that BWV, BCV and VWL will be more desirable to the masses overall than SSR or OKW. Just like some resorts are more DELUXE than others in comparison if you use objective criteria. That doesn't mean your favorite resort is being put down.

Part of this is situational. For the first time since there have been multiple resorts, SSR is the only resort selling for a significant portion of time. Thus anyone who didn't know of resale, didn't want to go resale or wanted to buy directly from Disney for any reason, had to buy SSR even if that isn't where they want to stay. And due to the ultimate size of the resort, even a few percentage difference will be a big difference at the 7 month reservation window.
 
Well, don't worry folks, I'm one SSR owner that won't be ''clogging'' up everyone elses ressies to stay at their home resorts. I'd rather stay at my own.
 
We have stayed at all the Disneyworld DVC resorts. It does feel like the bulidings are a long ways away. It does to me, because there is a fence all the way down the road and it has all the view total blocked off due to construction. It does make it feel like a long ride or walk. I for one find the variety at AP to be sub par. I for one would rather go to AP than the Earl of Sandwich for a sandwich. The offerings at AP are not to my taste. I have found the main pool seems to be small. I think this is because of the buildings all around it and the fencing that encloses it. It feells totally enclosed. That makes it feel small. Themeing is personal choice. I have likes and dislikes at each DVC resort at WDW. I have no problem staying at any of them. I am wondering what it will be like when all the buildings are done and the resort is full. Will the check-in be a major pain and will the AP area be a zoo? Time will only tell. We own points at VWL and SSR. When it is time for us to only have SSR points, we will be so old we will just be happy to be alive. LOL We paln on enjoying all the DVC resorts for as long as we can.
 
SoCalKDG said:
If they add...internal bus service like OKW

It already has internal bus service...IMO better than OKW. If memory serves, only the DD busses become "internal" at OKW, stoping at the Hospitality House on both the way in and the way out.

At SSR, EVERY bus stops at the poolside stop in both directions. That is, assuming the route hasn't changed since The Springs opened.
 
DaveH said:
[...] I have found the main pool seems to be small. I think this is because of the buildings all around it and the fencing that encloses it. [...]
This is a new one. We've been twice (12 nights total) and never seen a fence around the entire pool. There is an entrance gate between the pool area and Broadway Avenue, but enclosed in a fence? Is this a new addition since December?
 
DrTomorrow said:
This is a new one. We've been twice (12 nights total) and never seen a fence around the entire pool. There is an entrance gate between the pool area and Broadway Avenue, but enclosed in a fence? Is this a new addition since December?

I just got back and don't remember seeing fences around the pools??
There is a fence as you are about to approach the grounds, but it fits with the theme.
 
Dean said:
... But I can tell you that compared to the new resorts we've seen come along since DIS has been around, SSR has had the least positives and the most negatives posted. In essence, the members on DIS have posted far more negatives and less positives than they did for VWL and BCV, the only two other resorts that started selling new once DIS has been going. I'd say that it's even been more negatively received OVERALL compared to points sold at HH and VB since both were still in a major selling phase for several years and thus written about a lot here as well.

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Ahh - that's the beauty of opinions- everybody has one.

My impression of the SSR reports is that there are no more negatives (or fewer positives) than those when VWL and BCV were at the same stage. In the case of those resorts (I remember LOTS of posts about dumpster views, front desk rudeness and crowded pools at VWL and LOTS of posts about front desk rudeness, parking lot views, road noise, housekeeping issues, air conditioning issues, furniture issues and water pressure issues at BCV), they were also fully open with all services and amenities available from day 1.

SSR has not had that benefit, thus some of the perceived "negative" comments have been reported based on a "feeling" of what the resort will be once complete (after the all of the green construction barricades come down). The perceptions about the pool are based on feelings and opinions. All of the other recent resorts were at least able to be fully judged from opening day. In the case of SSR, many of these "reports" have come from those having never even stayed at the resort, but from a 1 hour self-guided tour of the facility - or worse yet, simply from the comments of others. There have been far more positive reports from those who have stayed there and those few reporting negatives have sometimes been vague about their specific disappointments. Some disappointments reported were common knowledge without ever making a reservation- room service is prominently absent from promotional literature and limited dining facilities are also well documented and should not come as a surprise upon arrival at the resort. If that's an important element for a resort stay, why list those as a negative afterwards?

My impression is that the negative SSR reports have primarily come from the same few (repeating their comments), while the negative reports at BCV and VWL have come from a multitude of posters. But, that's just my opinion- I don't have any raw numbers to support or dispute.

The HH and VB comments have also been voluminous over the years- with comments about the points, maintenance fees and resale values being the most, but also negative comments about the HH location and even "comparing" that resort to other timeshares. I don't think any DVC resorts have been immune from comment. Most of these reports have been constructive criticism, but a few have taken a different tack.

Empirical evidence about the relative number of negative or positive comments about any of the resorts will vary by the individual (and thus ends up being another opinion). I certainly have no data to show that my opinion is correct about the volume of SSR reports, but I know there have certainly been many similar negative comments made about each of the DVC resorts.

Apparently, it's now SSR's turn.
 
WebmasterDoc said:
Ahh - that's the beauty of opinions- everybody has one.

My impression of the SSR reports is that there are no more negatives (or fewer positives) than those when VWL and BCV were at the same stage. In the case of those resorts (I remember LOTS of posts about dumpster views, front desk rudeness and crowded pools at VWL and LOTS of posts about front desk rudeness, parking lot views, road noise, housekeeping issues, air conditioning issues, furniture issues and water pressure issues at BCV), they were also fully open with all services and amenities available from day 1.

SSR has not had that benefit, thus some of the perceived "negative" comments have been reported based on a "feeling" of what the resort will be once complete (after the all of the green construction barricades come down). The perceptions about the pool are based on feelings and opinions. All of the other recent resorts were at least able to be fully judged from opening day. In the case of SSR, many of these "reports" have come from those having never even stayed at the resort, but from a 1 hour self-guided tour of the facility - or worse yet, simply from the comments of others. There have been far more positive reports from those who have stayed there and those few reporting negatives have sometimes been vague about their specific disappointments. Some disappointments reported were common knowledge without ever making a reservation- room service is prominently absent from promotional literature and limited dining facilities are also well documented and should not come as a surprise upon arrival at the resort. If that's an important element for a resort stay, why list those as a negative afterwards?

My impression is that the negative SSR reports have primarily come from the same few (repeating their comments), while the negative reports at BCV and VWL have come from a multitude of posters. But, that's just my opinion- I don't have any raw numbers to support or dispute.

The HH and VB comments have also been voluminous over the years- with comments about the points, maintenance fees and resale values being the most, but also negative comments about the HH location and even "comparing" that resort to other timeshares. I don't think any DVC resorts have been immune from comment. Most of these reports have been constructive criticism, but a few have taken a different tack.

Empirical evidence about the relative number of negative or positive comments about any of the resorts will vary by the individual (and thus ends up being another opinion). I certainly have no data to show that my opinion is correct about the volume of SSR reports, but I know there have certainly been many similar negative comments made about each of the DVC resorts.

Apparently, it's now SSR's turn.
I disagree, but as I said before, it is my impression. Still, it doesn't take away from the resort as it is.
 
It seems that SSR is very spread out. If you are not on top of the pool and HH, you are in for a long walk.

Do they have an internal bus like OKW?
 
Laurajean1014 said:
It seems that SSR is very spread out. If you are not on top of the pool and HH, you are in for a long walk.

Do they have an internal bus like OKW?

Three comments

1. I have stayed at the old DI 3 times and walked the entire campus each visit. Once SSR is complete and you can really stroll the grounds and enjoy the water features, I believe many will appreciate the campus.

2. I walk OKW as well and enjoy the walk over to DD from OKW. I suspect that walking SSR when it is finished will be nicer than OKW.

3. Consider that a WDW vacation involves miles of walking every day at the parks. I don't quite understand the issue about how spread out any one resort is.
 



















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