Disney's 2Q earnings disappoint...

Adding the new ship would be a reason to post losses this year but should pick up next. Year. Think that Disney is taking a hit because of gas prices nobody has extra money
 
This whole worrying about each quarter is killing Disney if not America.
 

Down $2 at the moment. Whoever ok'd "Mars Needs Moms" should be burned at the stake.
 
What the heck are goodwill assets?
Goodwill 24,127 (million!)
Everybody likes me so I'm worth 1 billion dollars! I guess you can put a price tag on everything...
 
Yes, DCL was probably the most interesting drop...a hit at the parks is not a big surprise with tokyo and could actually have been much worse. I think the news could have been much worse especially considering they had no real blockbusters come out this quarter or even end of last.
 
What the heck are goodwill assets?
Goodwill 24,127 (million!)
Everybody likes me so I'm worth 1 billion dollars! I guess you can put a price tag on everything...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwill_(accounting)

I'm not a big accounting person, and know next to nothing about investing.... but from my understanding Goodwill in these types of reports are a way of showing the value of the company's brand and relationship with the customers. It's a way to put on paper the intangible assets that ultimately do impact the company's overall value, but aren't something that you can easily just offload and sell off.


On a smaller scale which we, as 'common people', can experience on a regular basis.


Let's say that we are shopping at the local grocery store for some food. On the shelf we see 2 different items that look identical. One is a name brand that we recognize and costs $2. the other is the Generic which only costs $1. As we look at the back of the container and read the fine print, you see that both items are actually produced at the exact same local company, one under license for the brand, and the other under license for the store.

Since they are the exact same product at this point, we are looking at $1 extra just because one has a brand label on it. It obviously doesn't cost $1 to produce that product, but it may be logical to say it does have an extra $.25 in its cost to cover the extra advertising and licensing fees. that extra $.75? That would be the Goodwill that comes from the brand that consumers recognize.

Even though they are the exact same product, People will pay more for one of them because they know the brand and feel it is worth more as a result. In large companies, it's the same concept. Would the Disney Parks be worth the same if it didn't have the Disney name attached to it? Would you pay $120/night to stay in a small cramped room at the AllStar if it wasn't a Disney hotel? What about $400/night to stay at the Poly? Sure, there may be some real value in the "extras' like the Monorail to the parks or the view, But Would you agree it's $200/night of extra value for what you may pay for a virtually identical room 2miles outside the Disney gates?
 
Yes, DCL was probably the most interesting drop...a hit at the parks is not a big surprise with tokyo and could actually have been much worse. I think the news could have been much worse especially considering they had no real blockbusters come out this quarter or even end of last.

I'm not so sure how much of a surprise the DCL drop was.

Those ships are powered by Diesel fuel, so the big fuel/oil costs are going to impact your bottom line.

Since I didn't see a breakdown of the actual costs or how big a hit compared to this time last year DCL took, There could also be charges (the operating costs) reflected for any ship maintenance/refurbs that may have been done on some of the older ships since they could theoretically take it out of service for a short period as they have a newer ship to pick up the slack during slower periods. With the recent announcements of new cruises out of Texas and NYC, there may have been costs included in making those logistical plans. And just like the parks, There could be a hit in this quarter vs. the same period last year due to the delayed Easter Holiday falling outside this quarter.
 
Under current circumstances with economy, I would say Disney is holding their own. I have owned Disney stock since 2000, seen it drop big time, so overall, I am happy to see it up and still holding well above its low a few yrs back. Rose colored glasses, maybe, but buy and hold works for me.
 
I'm not so sure how much of a surprise the DCL drop was.

Those ships are powered by Diesel fuel, so the big fuel/oil costs are going to impact your bottom line.

Since I didn't see a breakdown of the actual costs or how big a hit compared to this time last year DCL took, There could also be charges (the operating costs) reflected for any ship maintenance/refurbs that may have been done on some of the older ships since they could theoretically take it out of service for a short period as they have a newer ship to pick up the slack during slower periods. With the recent announcements of new cruises out of Texas and NYC, there may have been costs included in making those logistical plans. And just like the parks, There could be a hit in this quarter vs. the same period last year due to the delayed Easter Holiday falling outside this quarter.


I was not saying there aren't logical reasons, but I didn't expect to see DCL take a hit for that quarter. Yes, gas prices have risen, etc....but much of that late in the quarter and I expect this quarter to be much worse. Also, the new itineraries that were announced should have comparables to last year if they typically do them in the 2nd quarter.

It wasn't a huge drop, but with the added capacity of the new ship there should have been some offsets. Now, with that being said, it could have been a good quarter for DCL and they frontloaded a lot of expenses into the quarter that made it look shakier than it was. I would have figured you would see more deals like last year (kids sail free, etc) if bookings were off.

Now, I am not sure how well received the European cruises were this year and maybe that is where the bookings fell off.

Again, just somewhat interesting to see that it did drop and peaked my curiousity of what really happened at DCL. The other ones were not all that surprising.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwill_(accounting)

I'm not a big accounting person, and know next to nothing about investing.... but from my understanding Goodwill in these types of reports are a way of showing the value of the company's brand and relationship with the customers. It's a way to put on paper the intangible assets that ultimately do impact the company's overall value, but aren't something that you can easily just offload and sell off.


On a smaller scale which we, as 'common people', can experience on a regular basis.


Let's say that we are shopping at the local grocery store for some food. On the shelf we see 2 different items that look identical. One is a name brand that we recognize and costs $2. the other is the Generic which only costs $1. As we look at the back of the container and read the fine print, you see that both items are actually produced at the exact same local company, one under license for the brand, and the other under license for the store.

Since they are the exact same product at this point, we are looking at $1 extra just because one has a brand label on it. It obviously doesn't cost $1 to produce that product, but it may be logical to say it does have an extra $.25 in its cost to cover the extra advertising and licensing fees. that extra $.75? That would be the Goodwill that comes from the brand that consumers recognize.

Even though they are the exact same product, People will pay more for one of them because they know the brand and feel it is worth more as a result. In large companies, it's the same concept. Would the Disney Parks be worth the same if it didn't have the Disney name attached to it? Would you pay $120/night to stay in a small cramped room at the AllStar if it wasn't a Disney hotel? What about $400/night to stay at the Poly? Sure, there may be some real value in the "extras' like the Monorail to the parks or the view, But Would you agree it's $200/night of extra value for what you may pay for a virtually identical room 2miles outside the Disney gates?

Good description, thanks.
 
I'm not so sure how much of a surprise the DCL drop was.

Those ships are powered by Diesel fuel, so the big fuel/oil costs are going to impact your bottom line.

Since I didn't see a breakdown of the actual costs or how big a hit compared to this time last year DCL took, There could also be charges (the operating costs) reflected for any ship maintenance/refurbs that may have been done on some of the older ships since they could theoretically take it out of service for a short period as they have a newer ship to pick up the slack during slower periods. With the recent announcements of new cruises out of Texas and NYC, there may have been costs included in making those logistical plans. And just like the parks, There could be a hit in this quarter vs. the same period last year due to the delayed Easter Holiday falling outside this quarter.

LOL,
Not to mention they had to sail the two old ships to their new destinations without any revenue from passengers. Add record high gas prices to that trip and that is quite a hit to the bottom line.
 
Plus, how many people put off trips in order to sail on the new ships? So people who maybe would have sailed earlier this year are waiting until later this year or next year.
 
Last quarter, Mars needs Moms (OK, someone should be fired for that one), next quarter Pirates 4. Things should get better.
 
Plus, how many people put off trips in order to sail on the new ships? So people who maybe would have sailed earlier this year are waiting until later this year or next year.

maybe, but surely that cant be a good thing either.

Two out of 3 ships half empty (or heavily discounted to fill) ships and one full one when 6 months ago they only had two ships but they were full.... so maybe the same number of passengers but spread over 3 ships instead of 2.
 
I have ben on 22 cruises 2 being Disney.

It was just a matter of time before the economy would catch them!
I know from 1st hand experience that a Disney Cruise is WAY OVER PRICED !
The party is over time for the new normal. They need to lower thier price to compete. I don't want the sad story about they have to have high prices because of no gambling! If thats the point then watch them SINK!
 
Think of Goodwill as the value of a name. If Disney took over a well-known company, that would give them Goodwill value.
 
Last quarter, Mars needs Moms (OK, someone should be fired for that one), next quarter Pirates 4. Things should get better.

Mars needs Moms had awful marketing... there was no "Call To Action". The Disney name alone won't make people come out to see a movie. I hope cars 2 performs decently.
 

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