Disneyland Reopening Speculation Superthread

[lily_belle]

Not trying to argue but I don't think what the CDC is saying makes any difference with California's theme park requirements. The CDC is saying if you are vaccinated you don't have to quarentine or test before or after travel. So that would mean theme parks would have to determine if you are vaccinated. What about children and those who for medical reasons cannot be vaccinated? Would they not be allowed to enter? Without a universal vaccine passport this is a tough thing to enforce.
Side note - Hawaii has not yet dropped their testing requirements for those that are fully vaccinated.

Yeah I get it. I was mainly posting so everyone knew that new guidance had been put out there because I know a lot of people have been thinking about making travel plans.

 

[DLgal]

So wait, indoor concerts can resume on April 15 with up to 2000 attendees, but we can't have indoor queueing or 16 minute long indoor rides?

Make it make sense, please!

https://www.kron4.com/news/californ...to-tier-system/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Katiebird]

So wait, indoor concerts can resume on April 15 with up to 2000 attendees, but we can't have indoor queueing or 16 minute long indoor rides?

Make it make sense, please!

https://www.kron4.com/news/californ...to-tier-system/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

10% of capacity though, which would be far less than 2000 people for most venues.

But yes the 16 minutes etc does seem weirdly detailed. Hopefully updates will come for that too.

 

[kristensideaoffun]

So wait, indoor concerts can resume on April 15 with up to 2000 attendees, but we can't have indoor queueing or 16 minute long indoor rides?

Make it make sense, please!

https://www.kron4.com/news/californ...to-tier-system/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

2,000 attendees OR 10% capacity, whichever is smaller. That’s a way lower capacity than what’s allowed for indoor rides. I still don’t understand the no indoor queue policy, though. Or the time limit for indoor rides if there is no time limits for indoor performances, for that matter.

 

[TikiTikiFan]

Make it make sense, please!

I think that ship has sailed.

 

[TikiTikiFan]

Or the time limit for indoor rides if there is no time limits for indoor performances, for that matter.

The new guidelines say no indoor performances at all (for theme parks) are allowed in any of the tiers.

 

[DLgal]

The new guidelines say no indoor performances at all (for theme parks) are allowed in any of the tiers.

Yep. SO much inconsistency. I just can't anymore. I mean, word is that Tiki Room won't be able to operate. Like...seriously?

 

[taaren]

We're still waiting on that green tier info right? Are cases still steadily going down in CA? Hopefully that "fourth surge" I keep seeing talked about in the news doesn't happen there!

Still waiting on green tier info.

Cases are going down in some areas, up in others. I'm in the Greater Bay Area, and while several counties moved into Orange this week, at least 2 have rising cases that threaten to put us back in purple, including mine. At my job we'd prepped for our "moving to Orange" procedures, adding capacity and such only to see the numbers going in the wrong direction instead ... that being said California is vaccinating aggressively, which should help those numbers get going in the correct direction again soon. About a third of Californians have had at least one shot. Reports by public health officials (locally) indicate that the rise in positive cases is largely in young people (who are more likely to have mild cases), which probably explains why our hospitalizations aren't increasing at the moment.

Basically, it is a precarious moment, but fortunately Californians appear to be willing to get vaccinated as there is still a sizable amount of the population anxiously awaiting their turn, and everyone over 16 will be eligible in the next two weeks.

 

[brightlined]

Yep. SO much inconsistency. I just can't anymore. I mean, word is that Tiki Room won't be able to operate. Like...seriously?

Didn't we already expect that they weren't going to run the Tiki Room? Even if they could run it at 25% capacity - would they?

I don't see any inconsistency here. They're trying to prevent people from hanging out for long periods in unventilated space.

I think the only rule I question right now is the 15-minute ride rule, only because 15 minutes in Pirates is different from 15 minutes in a more static environment. (I'd rather put people on Pirates than Star Tours or the subs, for example.)

 

[upritbass]

I think upritbass is joking. (I say that as someone who tried to pull an April Fools joke on their FB friends and failed miserably because it was way too subtle.)

The advisory is pretty clear about non-essential and out-of-state travel, and I think they'd be very clear about it if they were making that kind of exception.

Joking, as in, "Isn't it ironic?"

Not joking as in:
"Except in connection with essential travel[ii], Californians should avoid non-essential travel outside of California, to other states or countries."
So, yeah, the advisory is clear...as mud.

 

[DLgal]

Didn't we already expect that they weren't going to run the Tiki Room? Even if they could run it at 25% capacity - would they?

I don't see any inconsistency here. They're trying to prevent people from hanging out for long periods in unventilated space.

I think the only rule I question right now is the 15-minute ride rule, only because 15 minutes in Pirates is different from 15 minutes in a more static environment. (I'd rather put people on Pirates than Star Tours or the subs, for example.)

You don't see the inconsistency in allowing an indoor CONCERT (with no time limits and potentially 2000 screaming, singing fans) but not allowing a theme park theater show? The reason Tiki Room isn't operating is because the guidelines don't allow it.

It's the pinnacle of inconsistent application of the guidelines.

 

[montreid]

You're asking for government regs to make sense. Has anyone been doing their taxes this month?

 

[brightlined]

You don't see the inconsistency in allowing an indoor CONCERT (with no time limits and potentially 2000 screaming, singing fans) but not allowing a theme park theater show? The reason Tiki Room isn't operating is because the guidelines don't allow it.

It's the pinnacle of inconsistent application of the guidelines.

The rule for indoor concerts is 10% up to 2000. 2000 would be in a venue that holds at least 20000.

The worst-case scenario is Staples Center with 2000 people in it. That's what we're talking about.

 

[DLgal]

The rule for indoor concerts is 10% up to 2000. 2000 would be in a venue that holds at least 20000.

The worst-case scenario is Staples Center with 2000 people in it. That's what we're talking about.

The point stands though. It is either safe for groups of people to be indoors for more than 15 minutes or it isn't. Theme parks, while they try, do not succeed in actually being some fantasy universe where the rules of science don't apply.

 

[brightlined]

The point stands though. It is either safe for groups of people to be indoors for more than 15 minutes or it isn't. Theme parks, while they try, do not succeed in actually being some fantasy universe where the rules of science don't apply.

It's not the same thing. It's not just a matter of "indoors for 15 minutes" - they're trying to stop groups of various people from rotating through the same air. The science says that a common spread is 15 minutes of exposure to contaminated air - that's what they're trying to stop.

Take that imagined Staples Center show. People will be sitting in roughly the same space for the duration of the show. They'll be exposed to other people here and there, but for the duration of the show, let's say 90 minutes, it'll be a small group of the same people. There's not much cross-exposure.

Compare that to something like Philharmagic. Every twenty minutes, they'll cycle a brand new group of people into the same air. Over and over again. In that same 90 minutes, you'll have five entire groups of people exposed to (roughly) the same air, each person for at least 15 minutes of the show.

The more people you put in a room (like Philharmagic) over a given period of time, the more likely it is for the room to get contaminated.

Even an indoor restaurant would be better than that - each patron would be in the same general place for the longer duration of their meal. And if capacity is low enough, the tables far enough apart, there would be little risk of exposure.

Tiki Room shouldn't open, for the same argument I made two weeks ago - it's a small, poorly-ventilated room. As I said before, I would be fine with it opening if they could run it with the doors open. But I also doubt DL would want to deal with the maintenance costs if they could only run it with 50 people inside.

I could understand someone saying that the state was being overcautious. But this isn't inconsistent - they're matching the rules up to the science.

 

[taaren]

Not sure if this has already been posted/is new, but for those of you wondering how Disney would know if you're from out of state there are now articles about the procedure. Hoping this means we're closer to a date when people will be able to buy tickets?

Please delete post. Forgot to press "Preview" before posting a link to see if it was starred out.

 

[upritbass]

I could understand someone saying that the state was being overcautious. But this isn't inconsistent - they're matching the rules up to the science

Don’t try to align politics with science — it won’t work.
Movie theaters are good, but Philharmagic is bad?
5 hours in an airplane is good, but 15 minutes on Small World is bad?
Indoor dining is good until a ride is opened, then indoor dining is bad?

 

[Matthew D.]

Just waiting for Ycsteves to respond to brightlined, those two are magic when they bounce discussion off each other.

 

[DLgal]

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you and leave it at that @brightlined

 

[brightlined]

Just waiting for Ycsteves to respond to brightlined, those two are magic when they bounce discussion off each other.

What I really enjoy when it comes to debates on message boards - when we're both open to not having all the answers - when we're working through it to come to the answer that makes sense to both of us. Somewhere in there is the good answer.