Disneyland is getting filled with rude guests

[TeamTnC]

Our first night, this last Sunday, we were at Goofy's Kitchen for dinner at 5:00. Some lady was complaining about something, I could not over hear but she had a manger involved and they gave into her into the long run. She was one of the first seated. My wife and I were trying to figure it out but could not. Well then on Tuedasy night we saw this same lady and daughter getting into it with another CM in DL. Again, I could not over hear but thought it very weird to see the same person twice complaining about something.

 

[Danauk]

I agree, rudeness happens everywhere. On one of our visits to WDW we were in MGM and had decided to go back to the villa for a dwim and to return to the park later. So there were 4 of us in line to get our hands stamped, there was not line as we approached so it was not busy. Anyway my DH and my 2 friends were in front of me, they had just had their hands stamped and I extended my arm to the CM to get my hand stamped. As I did this another group had arrived behind me and one of the boys (looked 13/14 at a guess) zoomed in front of me shoved his hand in front of mine to get stamped before me and in the process managed to hit me on the face!!!! Not only did he not say sorry, but his parents who were behind him did not repremand him for what he had done. I just walked away shaking my head. The CM did ask if I was OK and looked a little shocked too!

 

[XTinabell]

This might be late coming in this particular thread, but we had an experience of rudeness this past week at DL that absolutely blew my mind. So, please indulge me a bit as I share...

Following the very good advice of the disboard members, we decided to see the second Fantasmic show (hoping for smaller crowds). We made our way over to the area right at 9:50 and placed ourselves in such a position so we could walk forward to the black, metal railing for front row spots when the rope was moved. The CM at the rope was WONDERFUL and explained how it all worked so that we could be prepared and not walk in front of other guests waiting.

As the rope is moved and we are walking (yes, walking) to the front railing, a woman and her stroller pushed her way in front of my DD16. So now in our party of 3, 2 are standing at the railing and my DD16 is pushed back in the crowd with the lady and her stroller taking up her spot. So, I motion to her to move up, planning to switch spots with her. I turn and the lady pushes her stroller in front of me. Now there is only my DD17 left at the railing, who happens to my smaller sized teen. As I am getting ready to say something, the lady pushes her stroller into the spot where my DD17 is standing and pushes her over the rail into the bushes!

Now I am pretty upset, but still haven't said anything and then I realize what she is doing. As I am getting ready to speak to her, the CM who talked with us earlier walks by and sees our predictament. She attempts to first tell her that she needs to make space so my DD17 can get out of the bushes, and then she needs to make space for the rest of my family. The lady looks at her and points to the sitting area and a family member tells the CM the lady wants to sit with the group. The CM kindly explains that there is space for the woman, but not the stroller. So, you guessed it!, the lady leaves the stroller right there!!!!

Now my DD17 is in the bushes, my DD16 and I are behind the stroller. I can't tell you how many other guests were just as speechless as we were. The poor CM looked so bewildered! Finally, another CM came and lifted the stroller out of the standing room section and took it somewhere else. This rude guest never said anything in appreciation to either CM or acknowledged what she did to our family.

Ok... I am over it now!
We still loved Fantasmic and were so impressed with the patience of the CMs!

Thanks for letting me vent a bit!

I am so glad it worked out in the end for you and your girls, some people can be very inconsiderate.

 

[4bugzinarug]

WOW! I can't believe that someone would push your child into the bushes! That would send *anyone* through the roof. Sorry that happened to you, glad the CM's stepped in to help. Depending on severity of situation, it seems to me that pushing another guest caboose-first into a bush is something that should get someone booted out of the park, IMHO.

 

[NezzieRella]

I have to say, wow! Some of you feel very strongly about this! As one who rarely gets to go to Disneyland I really try to maximize our time there by not letting others ruin our trip. A lesson I learned from having my purse stolen from the women's bathroom. If THAT'S not rude, then I don't know what is!

I have to say that some of you who have stated that you go often enough and you don't let others ruin your time, I just don't feel sorry for you. You get to go to Disneyland ALL THE TIME? Consider yourself lucky! As far as rude park goers(and anyone in life) go, I think that "turning the other cheek" is ALWAYS applicable. Not always easy, but always applicable. If you understand that principle, then you get that.

And can we please not lump all "stroller Moms" or "stroller ladies" into the same group? I give ample room between our stroller and the person in front of us. And the result? People cut in front of our stroller because there is room. So then I get cut off, or I have to stop so abruptly that my kids nearly get whip lash. When those people bump into my stroller, it is not my fault.

Bottom line, as stated by others as well, is that there are rude people everywhere. It's up to us to deal with it properly. I have to stop and think, "What am I teaching my kids if I am rude to others?" Your example is one of the most effective teaching tools, whether we realize it or not.

 

[madoka]

Some of the stories posted here are absolutely outrageous. Mine seems to pale in comparison:

Good: Took DD1 and DS4 on her first trip to Disneyland. The tram driver, a middle-aged black man, rushed out, helped me unload my double stroller, and gave my DD a first-time in DL pin (he did not know it was her first time and I never got a chance to tell him)! I thanked him, but thoughtlessly forgot to get his name so that I could write a letter complimenting him.

Bad: On the way back, an older couple (probably in their early 60s) sat in the stroller section of the tram. There was just enough room for my family to fit in with the double stroller, so the woman starts to move over. Her husband shoots her a look and tells to her stop. Then he looks at me and tells me to take the next tram. I thought that was pretty rude considering they were there by themselves with no bags/luggage and there were whole rows that were empty on that tram. So some other parents saw what happened and helped me squeeze the double stroller into one of the empty rows.

Once I was waiting in line and one person started to wave the rest of her family/party over. Then 16 people started to push everyone out of their way to join her! The rest of the line was ready to lynch them and forced them back to the end of the line.

Rudest thing I ever experienced was on the PoTC ride. Bunch of teenage boys decided to ruin it for everyone else. In addition to screaming, yelling, and kicking the rows in front of them, one of them kept throwing cornnuts and chips that the pirates. I thought for sure they'd get kicked out, but nothing happened.

 

[madoka]

heh, i feel so disgusted on what i saw today...

i nearly wanted to call Child Services today... :\

So I'm dying to know, what happened!

 

[kiwitravel]

Not only did he not say sorry, but his parents who were behind him did not repremand him for what he had done. I just walked away shaking my head. The CM did ask if I was OK and looked a little shocked too!

The above is exactly what this is all about..... Their rude behaviour is because these people have not been pulled up on it by their parents in the past and by society as whole. Its not about getting into an argument with the person, its just about letting them know that that type of behaviour is unacceptable. They may well choose to ignore you but if everytime they do it someone says something to them they may eventually change their attitude.

An extension of that is backing up someone that is on the receiving end of rude behaviour, there is strength in numbers, speak up if you see an injustice... Its the "not wanting to get involved" attitude that is as much the problem, the vast majority of people are polite and honest but too many will standby and accept rude behaviour from others both directed at them and others.

 

[SnackyStacky]

Its not about getting into an argument with the person, its just about letting them know that that type of behaviour is unacceptable.

I've seen quite a few of these rude people. And there have been stranger bedfellows than rude and crazy. You really never know who or what you're dealing with when you call somebody out on their behavior. If it's a rude behavior that poses no threat to anybody's safety - I don't feel the need to risk creating a scene, or dealing with some crazy person who not only has no sense of moral code, but isn't really all there upstairs.

I still stand by my feelings that karma will take care of these people better than I ever could. I don't want to waste my time dealing with someone who I will NEVER see again.

I also don't want to waste my time when the second I'm done saying something, they'll go and do the same thing to someone else. I do that at home all the time. It's called having kids! No need to do it with strangers on vacation. LOL!

 

[JenDisneylandlver]

I have to say, wow! Some of you feel very strongly about this! As one who rarely gets to go to Disneyland I really try to maximize our time there by not letting others ruin our trip. A lesson I learned from having my purse stolen from the women's bathroom. If THAT'S not rude, then I don't know what is!

I have to say that some of you who have stated that you go often enough and you don't let others ruin your time, I just don't feel sorry for you. You get to go to Disneyland ALL THE TIME? Consider yourself lucky! As far as rude park goers(and anyone in life) go, I think that "turning the other cheek" is ALWAYS applicable. Not always easy, but always applicable. If you understand that principle, then you get that.

And can we please not lump all "stroller Moms" or "stroller ladies" into the same group? I give ample room between our stroller and the person in front of us. And the result? People cut in front of our stroller because there is room. So then I get cut off, or I have to stop so abruptly that my kids nearly get whip lash. When those people bump into my stroller, it is not my fault.

Bottom line, as stated by others as well, is that there are rude people everywhere. It's up to us to deal with it properly. I have to stop and think, "What am I teaching my kids if I am rude to others?" Your example is one of the most effective teaching tools, whether we realize it or not.

We go once or twice a year, so I wouldn't call that ALL the time. Not really sure what that has to do with having to deal with rude people though. We work hard so we can afford to go as often as we do. Luck has nothing to do with it, nor does it mean people should just accept others treating them unfairly!

I'm sorry but I'll gladly show people where the end of the line is. Ask them to not smash me up against the wall/chain while they try to cut in front of me. Where the seating in the back is for parades/shows. Or tell someone to look where they're going if they HURT me or my family and not even say sorry! I'm sure those who participate in such things don't want anyone speaking up to them. If they don't like it, they might want to rethink the way they behave! I also believe in teaching my child to stand up for himself when he's being treated unfairly by someone. To me that is part of a healthy self esteem, to not be a doormat for others. I say handle such behavior any way you like, as will I.

 

[JenDisneylandlver]

I've seen quite a few of these rude people. And there have been stranger bedfellows than rude and crazy. You really never know who or what you're dealing with when you call somebody out on their behavior. If it's a rude behavior that poses no threat to anybody's safety - I don't feel the need to risk creating a scene, or dealing with some crazy person who not only has no sense of moral code, but isn't really all there upstairs.

I still stand by my feelings that karma will take care of these people better than I ever could. I don't want to waste my time dealing with someone who I will NEVER see again.

I also don't want to waste my time when the second I'm done saying something, they'll go and do the same thing to someone else. I do that at home all the time. It's called having kids! No need to do it with strangers on vacation. LOL!

Security should be called in if guests are acting crazy. I don't believe in Karma, instead I feel I need to speak up if someone is treating me unfairly. Not just at DL either, but anywhere. Anyway, to each their own. As a society we have to have fairness and rules. We also need to be held accountable for our actions. Without any of that it would be a very scary society!

 

[teacups]

Had to share a story that may or may not change how some of us behave when we are treated rudely, and Im one of the biggest offenders I have ever seen when it comes to mouthing off to rude people. Locally, two guys got into-it in the parking lot of a grocery store over something just like what we are all talking about here. One guy shot the other one dead when he went out to the parking lot, in plain sight, daylight.

I am really bad lately about pointing out when people are rude. I have caught myself saying "You're Welcome!" (loudly) if they SHOULD have said thank you to me and did not, or "Excuse me, or was it you?" (people like to cut me off in the store, like Im invisible.) I have gotten so bad lately, from stress in another area I think. But I know this is dangerous behavior that I have to stop. People are wack-o. As for teaching your kids good behavior by saying nothing... I dont know. That could go two ways. You could also be teaching your kids to let people walk all over them. I dont presume to be an expert by any means!


Maybe instead of FIRST TRIP and BIRTHDAY pins they will come up with
I WAS A JERK TODAY pins.

 

[NezzieRella]

We go once or twice a year, so I wouldn't call that ALL the time. Not really sure what that has to do with having to deal with rude people though. We work hard so we can afford to go as often as we do. Luck has nothing to do with it, nor does it mean people should just accept others treating them unfairly!

I'm sorry but I'll gladly show people where the end of the line is. Ask them to not smash me up against the wall/chain while they try to cut in front of me. Where the seating in the back is for parades/shows. Or tell someone to look where they're going if they HURT me or my family and not even say sorry! I'm sure those who participate in such things don't want anyone speaking up to them. If they don't like it, they might want to rethink the way they behave! I also believe in teaching my child to stand up for himself when he's being treated unfairly by someone. To me that is part of a healthy self esteem, to not be a doormat for others. I say handle such behavior any way you like, as will I.

JenDisneylandlver, I obviously offended you! Sorry! I must have misunderstood your earlier post when you said that you go "often." Sounded a lot more often than we get to go, which we also work very hard for. My statement about not feeling sorry for those who get to go all the time was also meant to be a little tongue in cheek. I guess next time I will have to use an emoticon instead. Also, I'm not saying that if you do go often, you can deal with the rude people, just that you have more practice at it. I have a sister that lives locally and goes at least once a month with her girls. I've seen how she deals with rude people and it's not by being rude back.

I am also not saying that you should tolerate someone hurting you or your family, or cutting in line, or standing in front of you for parades and shows, or any of the other examples you used. My post addressed the stroller generalizations and rude people in general. To me the principle of "turning the other cheek" is not being a doormat. It's about being kind when someone doesn't deserve it. When I am being treated unfairly I do not just take it and let the person get away with their behavior, nor do I teach my children that it is okay to be treated in such a way. But I was talking about our example to our children about how we could treat the situation. I hope I've clarified what I was trying to express earlier. And sorry for offending anyone, didn't mean to be rude!

 

[teacups]

JenDisneylandlver, I obviously offended you! Sorry! I must have misunderstood your earlier post when you said that you go "often enough." Sounded a lot more often than we get to go, which we also work very hard for. My statement about not feeling sorry for those who get to go all the time was also meant to be a little tongue in cheek. I guess next time I will have to use an emoticon instead. Also, I'm not saying that if you do go often, you can deal with the rude people, just that you have more practice at it. I have a sister that lives locally and goes at least once a month with her girls. I've seen how she deals with rude people and it's not by being rude back.

I am also not saying that you should tolerate someone hurting you or your family, or cutting in line, or standing in front of you for parades and shows, or any of the other examples you used. My post addressed the stroller generalizations and rude people in general. To me the principle of "turning the other cheek" is not being a doormat. It's about being kind when someone doesn't deserve it. When I am being treated unfairly I do not just take it and let the person get away with their behavior, nor do I teach my children that it is okay to be treated in such a way. But I was talking about our example to our children about how we could treat the situation. I hope I've clarified what I was trying to express earlier. And sorry for offending anyone, didn't mean to be rude!

No flames here... I for one didnt think you were rude. I thought you were giving your opinion. And really what you say at the core is good advice that I wish I followed more. I could tell you were a little testy about the stroller thing, and I think I remember feeling that too when I had one. I always hold the door for moms when they have those big double things. That used to be a killer for me... Now the mall here has auto doors. What a treat that must be!

 

[JenDisneylandlver]

JenDisneylandlver, I obviously offended you! Sorry! I must have misunderstood your earlier post when you said that you go "often." Sounded a lot more often than we get to go, which we also work very hard for. My statement about not feeling sorry for those who get to go all the time was also meant to be a little tongue in cheek. I guess next time I will have to use an emoticon instead. Also, I'm not saying that if you do go often, you can deal with the rude people, just that you have more practice at it. I have a sister that lives locally and goes at least once a month with her girls. I've seen how she deals with rude people and it's not by being rude back.

I am also not saying that you should tolerate someone hurting you or your family, or cutting in line, or standing in front of you for parades and shows, or any of the other examples you used. My post addressed the stroller generalizations and rude people in general. To me the principle of "turning the other cheek" is not being a doormat. It's about being kind when someone doesn't deserve it. When I am being treated unfairly I do not just take it and let the person get away with their behavior, nor do I teach my children that it is okay to be treated in such a way. But I was talking about our example to our children about how we could treat the situation. I hope I've clarified what I was trying to express earlier. And sorry for offending anyone, didn't mean to be rude!

I wasn't offended, I just didn't feel that it matters how often someone goes. I don't think anyone was being unreasonable in their complaints here. It's also not really hard to not do those things. When my son was little we had a stroller there. I was very watchful, didn't use it to push people out of the way. If I accidently did bump someone, even if they jumped in front of it, I always apologized. So I don't think that it's being rude back to someone, it's letting them know that what they are doing is not okay and unfair to others.

Really I don't care if others want to be kind to someone who is cutting in front of them ect.. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and ways of doing things.

 

[JenDisneylandlver]

Had to share a story that may or may not change how some of us behave when we are treated rudely, and Im one of the biggest offenders I have ever seen when it comes to mouthing off to rude people. Locally, two guys got into-it in the parking lot of a grocery store over something just like what we are all talking about here. One guy shot the other one dead when he went out to the parking lot, in plain sight, daylight.

I am really bad lately about pointing out when people are rude. I have caught myself saying "You're Welcome!" (loudly) if they SHOULD have said thank you to me and did not, or "Excuse me, or was it you?" (people like to cut me off in the store, like Im invisible.) I have gotten so bad lately, from stress in another area I think. But I know this is dangerous behavior that I have to stop. People are wack-o. As for teaching your kids good behavior by saying nothing... I dont know. That could go two ways. You could also be teaching your kids to let people walk all over them. I dont presume to be an expert by any means!


Maybe instead of FIRST TRIP and BIRTHDAY pins they will come up with
I WAS A JERK TODAY pins.

I really think DL could use some more security or CM's watching the lines better. This was NEVER a problem when I was a kid. People were respectful and followed the rules. I was shocked at how much line cutting there was last month. It happened several times each day we were there (a lot of the time it was further up in the line, so we said nothing). I think if it continues to be a problem DL should do something about it. That way guests won't have to say something!

My friend was there in early July. She was in line for Splash when some people came right up and cut. She said some things but they ignored her. Well they got on the ride all together I guess. So then she got to ride with them STANDING UP and grabbing at stuff on the sides the whole time. She said it was down right scary. Well when the ride ended, security was waiting for them. My friend also told security how they cut in line, basically showing all of their bad behavior in the park. They thanked her for the extra info. I think that's the way some of this stuff needs to be handled. Because a lot of the time the rude behavior in line can lead to a dangerous situation from bad behavior ON the ride too.

 

[bumbershoot]

On the stroller mom thing....I thought people have been clear that it's *stroller mom who are incredibly rude and do obnoxious things*, not *stroller moms who are nice and polite* or even just plain *stroller moms*.

Though my husband could just be called a *stroller dad* and that alone is an epithet, when describing how he steers that thing.

 

[carolrie]

sorry double post

 

[carolrie]

Seriously?

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I have to say, wow! Some of you feel very strongly about this! As one who rarely gets to go to Disneyland I really try to maximize our time there by not letting others ruin our trip. A lesson I learned from having my purse stolen from the women's bathroom. If THAT'S not rude, then I don't know what is!

I have to say that some of you who have stated that you go often enough and you don't let others ruin your time, I just don't feel sorry for you. You get to go to Disneyland ALL THE TIME? Consider yourself lucky! As far as rude park goers(and anyone in life) go, I think that "turning the other cheek" is ALWAYS applicable. Not always easy, but always applicable. If you understand that principle, then you get that.

And can we please not lump all "stroller Moms" or "stroller ladies" into the same group? I give ample room between our stroller and the person in front of us. And the result? People cut in front of our stroller because there is room. So then I get cut off, or I have to stop so abruptly that my kids nearly get whip lash. When those people bump into my stroller, it is not my fault.

Bottom line, as stated by others as well, is that there are rude people everywhere. It's up to us to deal with it properly. I have to stop and think, "What am I teaching my kids if I am rude to others?" Your example is one of the most effective teaching tools, whether we realize it or not.

I totally agree! We go often and feel lucky that we are able to. Being a "local" in the park we see all kinds of rude, selfish, wacko behavior. We also see a lot of magic from the cm's and guests. I have found that it's what you focus on that makes or breaks your day. I've been so mad at people I wanted to scream, but have found that if I do get back in their face, it only makes my day worse and doesn't change their behavior at all.

I have a double stroller and also resent the "stroller mom" comments because I am sooo careful about others, but the "walkers without stollers" sometimes don't see or understand what they do to get hit. Yes, I have hit people accidentally and have always said sorry even when though it is almost always their fault. What do I get back? Glares and/or rude comments! I can tell you that once people walk into those gates, most of them are open mouthed and glassy eyed. It is a lot of overstimulation and lots of people don't come often, so I always know I am having to be the one looking out for them. I have a jogger that has to be popped up to turn and I can also tell you that people do not walk straight. They weave back and forth. This would not be a proplem if they would EVER look sideways. I have already worn out one very expensive front tire from having to quickly shove my stroller sideways so people don't walk into my stoller and think I hit them. I actually had one lady walk sideways into my stroller so far back she hit my back tire with her leg. Just as I was saying "sorry" for HER mistake she started screaming at me for running into her as did her husband. After a few minutes of them yelling at me I had it and told her "You actually walked into me." Which they didn't believe because they were too "entitled" to look at where they were standing in relation to my stroller and try to figure out what had really happened. They just yelled at me even more. If ever I leave a space between my stroller and the person in front of me in a large crowd (like leaving Fantasmic or fireworks) someone will literally step over my stroller and get in front of me which makes it way longer for me to get out of the park. This is not to say that there aren't lame people with strollers, they are the ones strolling around with open mouths and glassy eyes and are even more dangerous than the lame walkers. But, I do get testy when all of the "stroller moms" are lumped together because it seriously takes so much effort every time I go to avoid people walking into my stroller (and thinking I hit them), stepping backward into a crowd, and/or stopping so quickly in front of me that I almost pull my back out stopping my stroller on a dime. All I can say to the unbelievers is push a stroller around for just one day and you will see how crazy people are and then if they do get hit (by 99% of the time their own stupid behavior) how rude they are to you for their lameness. Okay, enough of my rant....Thanks for letting me get that off my chest

Back on a happier note. We also wait a long time in advance for parades and Fantasmic to get good spots. I have found that bringing a sheet stakes out our spot and it is less likely that people will shove in front of us. It takes all the guess work out of who got there first and it is more gutsy to sit on or push aside someone's blanket than even most "pusher in fronters in the last five minutes" people will do (although it has happened, but rarely). I use a sheet because it folds up very well and doesn't take up very much room in my bag. We spread it out for just as much space as we need and sit on it until the parade or whatever we are waiting for starts. Hopefully that will help some of you out that have had trouble with that.

 

[kiwitravel]

Last trip we went into the park for ten days and didn't come across a single rude stroller mom!!! It wasn't that long ago that we were stroller parents so I try to give the stollers more room as it can be hard to judge those strollers sometimes...