Disney World MultiPass Scheduling Woes

[Dave006]

So, she is right in this situation, isn't she?

In my opinion no.

it actually makes the most sense to book your tier 1 first, that way if you don’t get into the park in time to hit it in that 1 hour window, you can grab another tier 1 at the end of that hour,

@Tom_E_D this was the section that my first paragraph addressed. If the guest has not entered the park, and unlocked tiers then they can only replace their existing Tier 1. It does not just stay around while they book another Tier 1. This was the flaw in the old Genie+ offering aka "Stacking" will laying around the resort pool for example.

Dave

 

[Tom_E_D]

In my opinion no.


@Tom_E_D this was the section that my first paragraph addressed. If the guest has not entered the park, and unlocked tiers then they can only replace their existing Tier 1. It does not just stay around while they book another Tier 1. This was the flaw in the old Genie+ offering aka "Stacking" will laying around the resort pool for example.

Dave

I think you're wrong but thanks for the polite reply.

 

[Dave006]

CMs are enforcing that 2 hour rule. You may get some that don’t but there are enough that do enforce it.

Just to clarify there is no 2 hour rule. That went away with Genie+. The current LLMP system leaves expired LLMP selections in your MDE until about midnight (time varies).

This has lead to the expanded use of current behavior where LLMP selections turn green at the tap point for 119 minutes after your return window has expired. After this you should get a Blue Mickey, and it is up to the CM to allow you to enter the LL queue.

Some guests are calling this a 2 hour rule or as has been mentioned in this thread a 3 hour rule (1 hour return window + 2 hours) but it is really 179 minutes or 2 hours 59 minutes.

As more and more guests take advantage of this current behavior (bug / logic flaw) by waiting to use these expired LLMP selection after 4, 6, or 8 hours.

We can expect Disney to fix it just like they fixed the major flaw with the old FP machines accepting any card with a magnetic strip to issue a new FP. They had to update the system to check that the card was actually used to enter the park that day.

I heard they’re a little more lenient with LLSP but I wouldn’t chance going over the 2 hours.

Yes due to the fact that the guest paid specifically for that attraction. But like all other nice things if it exploited, and the LL slows to a crawl again for LLSP attractions expect Disney to address this situation.

Dave

 

[Dave006]

I think you're wrong but thanks for the polite reply.

I can only speak to how the system has worked for me this year, and other confirmed reports.

The Good news is that we can have a discussion on the topic. As I always say the current system only works until Disney breaks it with any random update.

Dave

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Just to clarify there is no 2 hour rule. That went away with Genie+. The current LLMP system leaves expired LLMP selections in your MDE until about midnight (time varies).

This has lead to the expanded use of current behavior where LLMP selections turn green at the tap point for 119 minutes after your return window has expired. After this you should get a Blue Mickey, and it is up to the CM to allow you to enter the LL queue.

Some guests are calling this a 2 hour rule or as has been mentioned in this thread a 3 hour rule (1 hour return window + 2 hours) but it is really 179 minutes or 2 hours 59 minutes.

As more and more guests take advantage of this current behavior (bug / logic flaw) by waiting to use these expired LLMP selection after 4, 6, or 8 hours.

We can expect Disney to fix it just like they fixed the major flaw with the old FP machines accepting any card with a magnetic strip to issue a new FP. They had to update the system to check that the card was actually used to enter the park that day.


Yes due to the fact that the guest paid specifically for that attraction. But like all other nice things if it exploited, and the LL slows to a crawl again for LLSP attractions expect Disney to address this situation.

Dave

Very true.

I found out about the 2 hour “rule” behind a paywall on TP. That was earlier this year before our May trip. Before that I rarely saw anything mentioned about it on the Dis. Then in the last few months I saw it on a Disney blogger site and saw it mentioned more and more here. When it was posted on the Disney blogger site I told DD Disney is going to change it now because it’ll be overused.

 

[Biff88]

I'm sorry to ask a new question here, but it seems like several folks with a lot of LLMP knowledge (including some who helped me previously) are following this one. If I understand correctly, when you make your initial purchase and reservations for a group of people, you are selecting those 3 attractions for the entire group. Assuming that is correct, is it possible to go right back in and modify (or cancel and rebook) an attraction for a subset of the group? I know from that previous conversation that it is easier to get what you want in the initial allotted 5 minutes, but here is my scenario.

There are 7 of us. We mostly want the same attractions, but there are a few exceptions to that. I'm already going to need to go through the process for several days, so I'd like to avoid doing extra for some of those days in order to set up 3 and then 4 more, etc. (And I'm not sure if I could even purchase for whichever of those groups that I'm not in.) So, my thought was to just go for the "hardest-to-get" 3 attractions (within the tier constraints) that some of us want (for all 7), and then after finishing all the days, go back in and change rides as necessary for the subgroups of people. So, I'm wondering if that is possible (or if our attractions have to remain in sync until the park day), and whether there is some better alternative that I'm missing.

Thanks...and again, sorry for going a bit off topic.
-Marc

 

[sagosto]

Whether you rope drop or not makes no difference. You don’t unlock additional Tier 1’s until you tap into that first ride. There is still zero reason for that first ride to be a burner versus something you actually want to ride.

Sure it does. There are plenty of times where tier 1 runs out before folks have ridden all 3. This is especially true when you have a later return time. If I am unable to rope drop or arrive early, I run a higher risk of not getting all 3 top rides

 

[sagosto]

In fact, because of LLMP’s unadvertised 3 hour rule, where you can book an additional attraction after your first one expires, without losing your first one, it actually makes the most sense to book your tier 1 first, that way if you don’t get into the park in time to hit it in that 1 hour window, you can grab another tier 1 at the end of that hour, and you still have two hours to ride the first tier 1. This is why the expert strategy is to always try to get the tier 1 at 9 am if possible.

Agreed. But that assumes you can get a tier 1 early. If I can’t get a decent ride within an hour or so of park open, I pivot to a burner and then modify the 2 tier 2 back to tier 1. You have to play the game of zig zag and what makes sense tho

 

[sagosto]

At Epcot? Extremely unlikely, but in any event, the OP in this thread had Figment at 9 am a ride they wanted to ride and purposefully dumped it for a burner.

It was more of a “why am I prevented” than any real value savings as Figment is generally a low wait but even a 15 min less wait is worth it so I switched to Pixar

 

[sagosto]

To be clear, we can expect a 3 hour window (1 hour per original booking plus 2 hour unadvertised) per ride without concern? It’s then up to CM to allow? I typically modify to push it out if possible to avoid but not worrying would be key.

 

[Dave006]

Assuming that is correct, is it possible to go right back in and modify (or cancel and rebook) an attraction for a subset of the group?

Yes that will work to some extent but when are you planing to go? Timing of your visit has the most impact on availability / competition for initial LLMP selections at the 7 day mark. Also are you planning to purchase LLMP and/or LLSP for each day? For example we don't use LLMP at AK or Epcot.

(And I'm not sure if I could even purchase for whichever of those groups that I'm not in.) So, my thought was to just go for the "hardest-to-get" 3 attractions (within the tier constraints) that some of us want (for all 7),

If everyone is listed in your Family & Friends list, and they have valid tickets then you are able to purchase for them. Booking the same set for all 7 is where it gets more complicated when you introduce changes.

Once you book the initial 3 selections, and then you come back and try to modify / cancel and book other LLMP selections that is where you will have the most issues.

You likely will not be able to just fit in the different selections for your sub-group of your travel party. You may need to modify / cancel all 3 of their initial selections in order to get their alternate selections / times.

Then your travel group may have very different times for their park day. Once you are out of sync on your park day it gets more and more complex to re-sync your return windows for additional LLMP selections.

So, I'm wondering if that is possible (or if our attractions have to remain in sync until the park day), and whether there is some better alternative that I'm missing.

First your selections don't need to by in sync for all of your travel party until you park day. You really need to develop a spreadsheet or similar listing of each person's initial 3 selections or maybe for your smaller group of 3.

Once you have that list are there any days where all 3 initial selections are the same for the entire group, book those days first. Next book the days with the odd splits of initial selections.

My personal view is that you split the initial booking work with (1) or more other members of your travel party, and split different days of your trip.

Dave

 

[Dave006]

To be clear, we can expect a 3 hour window (1 hour per original booking plus 2 hour unadvertised) per ride without concern? It’s then up to CM to allow? I typically modify to push it out if possible to avoid but not worrying would be key.

Today yes that is the behavior but it may change at any future date.

But to be quite clear your initial 60 minute return window is actually 80 minutes (5 minutes before, and 15 minutes after your 1 hour window). The 2 hour window after your LLMP window expires is currently 119 minutes using Disney's clock, and no you can't add in the 5 minute before or 15 minute after to the total.

How soon is your visit? Disney has tweaked the LLMP behavior a couple of times since the July 2024 launch.

The last MDE update was built on 10/7 so they still have time to introduce changes before the year-end freeze. Also not all changes need to happen with in the App code, many changes can be dynamically applied on the back-end systems.

Dave

 

[Biff88]

Thanks Again, Dave.

Yes that will work to some extent but when are you planing to go? Timing of your visit has the most impact on availability / competition for initial LLMP selections at the 7 day mark. Also are you planning to purchase LLMP and/or LLSP for each day? For example we don't use LLMP at AK or Epcot.

We're going Thanksgiving week, so nearly as competitive as it could be, I guess.

We aren't sure about LLMP at Epcot or AK. I'm assuming that everything will have substantial standby lines that week, so that made me lean towards getting it even for Epcot (so that we could at least get on a few rides without long waits). Normally I wouldn't for AK, but since it should be incrementally cheaper and opens an hour earlier, (and we're hopping to HS that day), I thought if we tapped in right at park open, we would be among a relative few eligible to grab a HS Tier 1 in the unlikely event that some appeared early. (Is there any merit to that line of thinking?)

You likely will not be able to just fit in the different selections for your sub-group of your travel party. You may need to modify / cancel all 3 of their initial selections in order to get their alternate selections / times.

Yeah, I was afraid that might be the case. Thanks.

My personal view is that you split the initial booking work with (1) or more other members of your travel party, and split different days of your trip.

Yeah, I think that's a good idea. That way I can share the stress of trying to get what we all want, too. To your other point though, it's also possible that we will just end up coming to a consensus. Everyone is easygoing about it, but I don't want anyone to miss a favorite.

Thanks Again.

 

[Dave006]

I thought if we tapped in right at park open, we would be among a relative few eligible to grab a HS Tier 1 in the unlikely event that some appeared early. (Is there any merit to that line of thinking?)

In this case you would be better off just booking your initial 3 for HS on that day.

It will be hard to get LLMP for tier 1 attractions for your party of 7 at HS for same day in the morning. Since even same day LLMP guest purchasers get a shot at 7 AM for HS. It also depends on what day you will wanting to hop to HS. Earlier in the week is better since crowds grow all week but tend to be lighter on M-T-W.

Dave

 

[Biff88]

In this case you would be better off just booking your initial 3 for HS on that day.

It will be hard to get LLMP for tier 1 attractions for your party of 7 at HS for same day in the morning. Since even same day LLMP guest purchasers get a shot at 7 AM for HS. It also depends on what day you will wanting to hop to HS. Earlier in the week is better since crowds grow all week but tend to be lighter on M-T-W.

Dave

Oh! That's an interesting idea I hadn't considered. So, even though you initial LLMPs have to be in one park, there's nothing that prevents you from going to another park for standby attractions first?

I think that's Monday, so that's good.

Thanks.

 

[Dave006]

So, even though you initial LLMPs have to be in one park, there's nothing that prevents you from going to another park for standby attractions first?

Absolutely, and since you going to AK early in the morning there already tend to be lower wait times. And consider taking full advantage of Early Entry (EE) at 7:30 AM. Just make sure that you know what attractions are open for EE.

Avatar Flight of Passage
DINOSAUR
Expedition Everest – Legend of the Forbidden Mountain
Na’vi River Journey

Only popular attraction missing from the list is the Kilimanjaro safaris which opens at 8:15 AM.

Dave