Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[TheMaxRebo]

Depends on your tolerance for risk. Given the reports so far, you may not lose them at all.

And this is what bugs me. People have legitmate reasons to change their mind. I’ve changed my family’s Spring Break hotel (not Disney related) three times because I keep finding something I like better. That’s why is weird to have this “perk” tied to a hotel stay. They should just separate the perk from the lodging all together IMHO.

I do get that but if you are moving from on property to off property, even for legit reasons, I do think it makes sense to cancel the FPs you made using the 60 day window onsite benefit

 

[TheMaxRebo]

So, I went on chat again to get some 'clarity'. This time it will be continuous. Gonna save that screenshot and forget the first one ever happened. And then they wonder why people are so confused about various topics.


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ok, that seems completely contradictory, not just "clearing things up"

 

[TheFloatingBear]

Yes the data they get must play into all of that, although you would think they would use all of that data to design new rides with significantly larger capacities so they don’t get upwards of 6 hour waits for rides... clearly that is an epic fail... (even 90 min waits are too much)

Agree! And it doesn't sound like SWGE rides have a lot of capacity but I could be wrong about that...I remember when FP+ was rolling out (although I do tend to have a fuzzy memory), my understanding was that part of the idea was to balance things out more, and have people spend less time in actual lines and more time in "virtual" lines, so that they could actually be elsewhere spending $. I wonder if a few years into it whether it is working the way that they intended?

But the lack of clarity with everything, now that you can count on...

 

[cmwade77]

Which required you to get to the park right at opening if you wanted to get a fastpass at all for a headliner attraction. The TSMM fastpasses used to be completely gone for the day within like a half hour of park opening, it was terrible. I would be extremely annoyed if we had to go back to that.

But it wouldn't be like that now due to how many attraction now have FP that didn't used to, not to mention, they can control this by limiting the number of FPs distributed per hour and putting back into circulation any that get canceled. But overall, even if you did have to get there at park opening, much better to do that than all of this other mess.

 

[Moliphino]

But it wouldn't be like that now due to how many attraction now have FP that didn't used to, not to mention, they can control this by limiting the number of FPs distributed per hour and putting back into circulation any that get canceled. But overall, even if you did have to get there at park opening, much better to do that than all of this other mess.

That's a matter of opinion. For me it would be much worse, since I'm not at all a rope drop / morning person. I'm perfectly happy with how FP+ works now.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Which has only existed since FP+, which in the grand scheme of WDW is not that long. Plenty still stayed onsite before that.

It's likely the largest perk to being onsite though when you're comparing what off-site and on-site gets you. Things like "being in the bubble, etc" are all subjective qualities but FP a full 30 days more than others is quite tangible to people.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, the only way to absolutely level the playing field is to go back to the days of Stand By only - no FPs at all.

Ducking now... as I don't think anyone really wants that, but think about it - no advance anything...no running from machine to machine... you show up, you get in line... hours later you ride. Of for the simplicity of a few decades ago....

Going thought though is FP and even worse with FP+ increased wait times. FP does lead to an imbalance of wait times between FP line and Standby line just like Express Pass does over at Universal (probably even more so because Unlimited Express Pass you can go on a ride over and over and over again).

 

[BridgetBordeaux]

But overall, even if you did have to get there at park opening, much better to do that than all of this other mess.

I will admit the thing I like about FP+ is that I can ride 3 rides in the first few hours when I arrive to Orlando in the afternoon with minimum wait times.

 

[DavidNYC]

Clearly, as much as we'd like clarity on this now - we've probably got a good month until this is going to settle down. While I like seeing some of the anecdotal tests that show nothing cancelled, that tells us really nothing at this point. The system may be not operating as intended right now, there might be a delay before FP get cancelled, they may have only had this apply to reservations made after a certain date, etc. Until someone makes some sort of reservation now, makes FP outside of 60 days, cancels some or all of the reservation, and actually shows up in the park and uses the FP, I'll be taking everything with a really large grain of salt.

My hunch is that we may see some cancelling of FP for days where a reservation is cancelled. I'd be more surprised if the system accurately deletes FP w/i 30 days on days where you actually still have an onsite reservation but the FP were made pursuant to window that opened due to a cancelled reservation. Yes it leaves a loophole for people who want to make multiple overlapping reservations but my hunch is also that that loophole will be used a lot less due to the added cost and complexity. For them to CORRECTLY do everything being discussed here is such a major change and I don't think we've seen much evidence that Disney IT is up to implementing something this drastic and complex this quickly without notice.

 

[Gentry2004]

I do get that but if you are moving from on property to off property, even for legit reasons, I do think it makes sense to cancel the FPs you made using the 60 day window onsite benefit

I totally get it and agree. I just wish the one had nothing to do with the other.

 

[jade1]

But overall, even if you did have to get there at park opening, much better to do that than all of this other mess.

Ack not us. We always have ours for late afternoon and mostly evening. We would be shut out for sure, as we do other things in the AM and during the day.

Night before reserving I can live with.

 

[Iowamomof4]

Ack not us. We always have ours for late afternoon and mostly evening. We would be shut out for sure, as we do other things in the AM and during the day.

Night before reserving I can live with.

You know how MDE tends to crash every time a big discount is released? I'm suddenly imagining the difficulties when thousands of people are in the system every night trying to make fastpasses for the next day at the same time. So yeah... let's just keep things a bit more spread out, tyvm.

 

[jlundeen]

Ack not us. We always have ours for late afternoon and mostly evening. We would be shut out for sure, as we do other things in the AM and during the day.

Night before reserving I can live with.

Yow, I can only imagine if every single person that was going to a park the next day all hit the application at the same time the night before. We think it's a mess trying to book at 7 a.m., can you imagine everybody that's on property and those off property all tried to book at the very same time?

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

And then there are people who think it costs extra.

Easywdw had a post recently that talke about the percentage of visitors who used FP, both now and in the days of paper FP.

Lots more use FP now (quick summation).

 

[Spaceguy55]

I had to modify my 2 day trip coming in on April 1st, but MDE would not let me do it online..said I had to call. I just wanted to move my check in day to March 31st for 2 days.
So it's still outside 30 days and I had some fp's for the 3rd, my check out day.
The CM was able to do it, no problem.
Long story short ...I have some fp's on the 3rd that should go away in a couple days since they will still be 30+ days out..so I'll post if they do or don't.
The interesting part was that during the conversation I had said that I tried to just book a new reservation starting on the 31st for 2 days before I cancelled the other and MDE said I still had to call...she then said that the system won't allow overlapping reservations. Is this new?

 

[eliseisawkward]

Which has only existed since FP+, which in the grand scheme of WDW is not that long. Plenty still stayed onsite before that.

It's likely the largest perk to being onsite though when you're comparing what off-site and on-site gets you. Things like "being in the bubble, etc" are all subjective qualities but FP a full 30 days more than others is quite tangible to people.

If this advantage went away I would probably never stay on site. I can’t think of a super compelling reason not to save money by renting off property.

 

[adam.adbe]

Which has only existed since FP+, which in the grand scheme of WDW is not that long. Plenty still stayed onsite before that.

It's probably worth considering what caused Disney to make that change. I'd hazard a guess Universal's steady ramp up from a theme park to a resort is at least one factor.

 

[MermaidMommy]

I had to modify my 2 day trip coming in on April 1st, but MDE would not let me do it online..said I had to call. I just wanted to move my check in day to March 31st for 2 days.
So it's still outside 30 days and I had some fp's for the 3rd, my check out day.
The CM was able to do it, no problem.
Long story short ...I have some fp's on the 3rd that should go away in a couple days since they will still be 30+ days out..so I'll post if they do or don't.
The interesting part was that during the conversation I had said that I tried to just book a new reservation starting on the 31st for 2 days before I cancelled the other and MDE said I still had to call...she then said that the system won't allow overlapping reservations. Is this new?

I had an overlapping reservation less than two days ago. I decided to switch resorts, so, on MDE, I made the new reservation for the exact same dates as the old one, before I went back and deleted the first one. I think it’s more likely that you had a glitch and the CM was giving out wrong information.

 

[jhoannam]

Honestly, the easiest solution is to do same day only FP, similar to MaxPass at Disneyland. This would close all of the loopholes, as you wouldn't even be able to book a FP until you enter a park and even then you don't get to choose the return time, you get the return time you get for the attraction.

But then what would be the benefit of staying on site?

 

[Babsy]

The interesting part was that during the conversation I had said that I tried to just book a new reservation starting on the 31st for 2 days before I cancelled the other and MDE said I still had to call...she then said that the system won't allow overlapping reservations. Is this new?

Must be new. I have an overlapping reservation in MDE as we speak. I WANT that extra night as a place for DGS to have a nap and so that we won't be 'homeless' for 5 hours (11:00 am check out until 4:00 pm DVC check in). WHY would Disney not want my money for that room? It's not the first time that I have booked a hotel room so that I could have it to use all day, even though I won't spend the night there.

Surely they don't care if a person wants two hotels on the same night, when switching resorts.