Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[Tink_83]

But then what would be the benefit of staying on site?

The EMH would still be a benefit. Although with EMM and the Disney evening paid events Disney is clearly signaling that they want to make extra money on that as well... personally I’d like to see better transportation options for guests at moderate resorts and even value resorts. If the gondolas work out and they could expand that for entry to MK (probaby not realistic) or find other ways to shuttle people faster to the parks that are not buses that would be a clear advantage - especially if it also manages to reduce bag check lines for guests.

But clearly they have people using the system to get FP and it’s causing problems for them. And let’s be honest even with the change in the system you will still have people booking at the campgrounds with whatever creative means they come up with to get the 60 FP and still stay offsite or at bonnet creek. (I’ve seen posts about every other night bookings to cover the stay to allow for 60 day out FP, I see this causing issues eventually for legitimate night only split stays.

 

[jade1]

Yow, I can only imagine if every single person that was going to a park the next day all hit the application at the same time the night before. We think it's a mess trying to book at 7 a.m., can you imagine everybody that's on property and those off property all tried to book at the very same time?

You know how MDE tends to crash every time a big discount is released? I'm suddenly imagining the difficulties when thousands of people are in the system every night trying to make fastpasses for the next day at the same time. So yeah... let's just keep things a bit more spread out, tyvm.

Yea, my comment was more at a "minimum" I can accept reserving the night before, I prefer 30 or 60 days, but no matter what-need to "reserve" before park day. Not that barbaric system of park opening stampede stuff. Not a relaxing vacation in the least.

 

[jade1]

I will admit the thing I like about FP+ is that I can ride 3 rides in the first few hours when I arrive to Orlando in the afternoon with minimum wait times.

Yep its a wonderful improvement for that day. Now equate that to every day for many of us doing other things in the AM.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The EMH would still be a benefit. Although with EMM and the Disney evening paid events Disney is clearly signaling that they want to make extra money on that as well...

EMH is a good perk (I loved using it myself) but it is a limited perk because it's only offered certain days for certain parks. Also Animal Kingdom & DHS don't have PM EMH at the moment--who knows of course what happens when SWGE opens up.

 

[Turksmom]

I had to modify my 2 day trip coming in on April 1st, but MDE would not let me do it online..said I had to call. I just wanted to move my check in day to March 31st for 2 days.
So it's still outside 30 days and I had some fp's for the 3rd, my check out day.
The CM was able to do it, no problem.
Long story short ...I have some fp's on the 3rd that should go away in a couple days since they will still be 30+ days out..so I'll post if they do or don't.
The interesting part was that during the conversation I had said that I tried to just book a new reservation starting on the 31st for 2 days before I cancelled the other and MDE said I still had to call...she then said that the system won't allow overlapping reservations. Is this new?

If so, it is new since 2/19. I had a split stay between BC and CBR, but found an AP discount for YC for all of my days, so I ooked YC before cancelling the others. Also made 2 RO at ASMu for November before cancelling packages I had booked for the exact same dates.

 

[CJN]

Yow, I can only imagine if every single person that was going to a park the next day all hit the application at the same time the night before. We think it's a mess trying to book at 7 a.m., can you imagine everybody that's on property and those off property all tried to book at the very same time?

Not only that - can you imagine spending your day/evening at MK setting up your next day’s visit to AK? No thanks.

 

[Spaceguy55]

If so, it is new since 2/19. I had a split stay between BC and CBR, but found an AP discount for YC for all of my days, so I ooked YC before cancelling the others. Also made 2 RO at ASMu for November before cancelling packages I had booked for the exact same dates.

I decided to add a overlapping room to my fall dates and it went thru with no call needed, and then I canceled it. so it seems she was incorrect as far as MDE...not sure if that will be true for call in's.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

EMH is a good perk (I loved using it myself) but it is a limited perk because it's only offered certain days for certain parks. Also Animal Kingdom & DHS don't have PM EMH at the moment--who knows of course what happens when SWGE opens up.

EMH was a great perk when it was 3 hours and kept the parks open much later (including 3am in MK). Now, not so much for us. Maybe it will be valuable again when SWGE opens?

 

[jhoannam]

EMH was a great perk when it was 3 hours and kept the parks open much later (including 3am in MK). Now, not so much for us. Maybe it will be valuable again when SWGE opens?

What about when it was only available to Disney resort guest, that was great too.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

What about when it was only available to Disney resort guest, that was great too.

Eh on that one unless there was noticeably huge increase in guests during EMH and it can be pinpointed directly to Good Neighbor hotels being extended the perk, IMO it's not that big of a deal. I know some people are not so keen on it but I would think that from that standpoint getting FPs at 60 days would be more of a stink than EMH. For Disney, as far as I've seen been said on the Boards, it has helped with respects to occupancy since there's been a ton of construction for the skyliner and room refurbs which remove rooms from availability.

 

[Turksmom]

What about when it was only available to Disney resort guest, that was great too.

I thought it was still just resort guests. We went one morning and one night on our last trip (MK for both) and it wasn't really worth it. A lot more of the rides/ lands were open on our previous visit.

 

[IloveDisney77]

Hey all- I'm on the Dis many times throughout the day but rarely post though there are MANY times that I wanted too, lol. Over the past few days I've read over most of the pages (I think anyway since I don't always remember what page I left on...sad as I'm not even THAT old yet). Isn't there a much simpler option? Yes, I know NOTHING is ever simple with Disney IT but here is my random thought that no one will like, which is why I'll get flamed, and then not post for another long period of time

Quick background- I've been going to WDW for over 40 years and have been DVC member for 11 years now. I recall, not fondly, of being the fastpass sprinter on my families early trips. I also remember our 2 trips to Disneyland and running back and forth between the parks since their fastpass systems weren't connected...don't miss those days either. I love FP+ in that we can pick a few rides and with planning still get in what we want throughout the day at the respective parks by rope dropping, staying late or just saying screw it let's go to the Pool! I enjoy the planning and like getting it done but realize it is not a level playing field for on-site guests getting the FP's they want taking into the various lengths of stay, category of booking- club level, etc. Disney is in the business to make money so I don't inherently have an issue with them charging more for most things (ie club level getting FP at 90 days if willing to pay).

I say all of that simply to say isn't there a hybrid approach that could be utilized? I don't want to go back to the old days...the old days weren't always better though the standby lines were shorter.... It pains me to say this, as it would be annoying as all H#LL to have to do it....BUT, what about only being able to book FP's 60 days in advance for each day of your stay? That way, every on-site guests has the exact same opportunity to book their preferred FP's on the same day as everyone else. Would it be annoying to have to go online every day if you had a 10 day or 14 day stay...yes. However, all resort guests would then be able to pre-book FP's while also simultaneously taking away the loopholes currently in play now. This of course assumes that Disney IT would be able to handle the massive amount of people attempting to get the prime FP's first thing in the morning (probably not likely, but hey, I can dream right?).

I'm sure most would find it annoying but at the end of the day it "seems" to be the only surefire way to still give on-site guests a perk of early booking while also closing the loopholes that have been previously mentioned. This also assumes that Disney then actually cancels the FP's if your reservation is cancelled. Maybe I'm missing something, probably likely, I'm sure ya'll will let me know if I did, lol.

 

[motherof5]

I'll admit I'm not particularly in the know on this, and people could be doing lots of stuff I would never even think of, but I thought throwaway rooms were rooms (or campsites) people book and pay for for a single night to get the 60 day rolling window/2 days at-the-park parking/magicbands/2 mornings EMH, etc. I thought throwaway rooms weren't cancelled, just paid for and not stayed in, hence the name.

Regardless, I'm all for Disney tightening up any cheats, especially those that takeaway reservations from folks who actually want 'em only to be cancelled later.

I've done a "throw away room but not for fast pass for getting dining plan" I stay where I really want but then do a 1 night campground if I only want a 1 night dining plan. I don't think Disney has a problem with that since they are getting money off a room from me twice. I hate to book a dining plan for the whole length of my stay. Never knew that they had the name "throw away room"

 

[motherof5]

Hey all- I'm on the Dis many times throughout the day but rarely post though there are MANY times that I wanted too, lol. Over the past few days I've read over most of the pages (I think anyway since I don't always remember what page I left on...sad as I'm not even THAT old yet). Isn't there a much simpler option? Yes, I know NOTHING is ever simple with Disney IT but here is my random thought that no one will like, which is why I'll get flamed, and then not post for another long period of time

Quick background- I've been going to WDW for over 40 years and have been DVC member for 11 years now. I recall, not fondly, of being the fastpass sprinter on my families early trips. I also remember our 2 trips to Disneyland and running back and forth between the parks since their fastpass systems weren't connected...don't miss those days either. I love FP+ in that we can pick a few rides and with planning still get in what we want throughout the day at the respective parks by rope dropping, staying late or just saying screw it let's go to the Pool! I enjoy the planning and like getting it done but realize it is not a level playing field for on-site guests getting the FP's they want taking into the various lengths of stay, category of booking- club level, etc. Disney is in the business to make money so I don't inherently have an issue with them charging more for most things (ie club level getting FP at 90 days if willing to pay).

I say all of that simply to say isn't there a hybrid approach that could be utilized? I don't want to go back to the old days...the old days weren't always better though the standby lines were shorter.... It pains me to say this, as it would be annoying as all H#LL to have to do it....BUT, what about only being able to book FP's 60 days in advance for each day of your stay? That way, every on-site guests has the exact same opportunity to book their preferred FP's on the same day as everyone else. Would it be annoying to have to go online every day if you had a 10 day or 14 day stay...yes. However, all resort guests would then be able to pre-book FP's while also simultaneously taking away the loopholes currently in play now. This of course assumes that Disney IT would be able to handle the massive amount of people attempting to get the prime FP's first thing in the morning (probably not likely, but hey, I can dream right?).

I'm sure most would find it annoying but at the end of the day seems to be the only surefire way to still give on-site guests a perk of early booking while also closing the loopholes that have been previously mentioned. This also assumes that Disney then actually cancels the FP's if your reservation is cancelled. Maybe I'm missing something, probably likely, I'm sure ya'll will let me know if I did, lol.

my husband remembers running all over for fast passes and just joked about it. Now we all do it on our phones while waiting in lines not as comical

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I thought it was still just resort guests. We went one morning and one night on our last trip (MK for both) and it wasn't really worth it. A lot more of the rides/ lands were open on our previous visit.

I could be wrong but I think they mean when the perk was extended to Good Neighbor hotels that are on property but not Disney owned in the Disney Springs area.

 

[The Pho]

Hey all- I'm on the Dis many times throughout the day but rarely post though there are MANY times that I wanted too, lol. Over the past few days I've read over most of the pages (I think anyway since I don't always remember what page I left on...sad as I'm not even THAT old yet). Isn't there a much simpler option? Yes, I know NOTHING is ever simple with Disney IT but here is my random thought that no one will like, which is why I'll get flamed, and then not post for another long period of time

Quick background- I've been going to WDW for over 40 years and have been DVC member for 11 years now. I recall, not fondly, of being the fastpass sprinter on my families early trips. I also remember our 2 trips to Disneyland and running back and forth between the parks since their fastpass systems weren't connected...don't miss those days either. I love FP+ in that we can pick a few rides and with planning still get in what we want throughout the day at the respective parks by rope dropping, staying late or just saying screw it let's go to the Pool! I enjoy the planning and like getting it done but realize it is not a level playing field for on-site guests getting the FP's they want taking into the various lengths of stay, category of booking- club level, etc. Disney is in the business to make money so I don't inherently have an issue with them charging more for most things (ie club level getting FP at 90 days if willing to pay).

I say all of that simply to say isn't there a hybrid approach that could be utilized? I don't want to go back to the old days...the old days weren't always better though the standby lines were shorter.... It pains me to say this, as it would be annoying as all H#LL to have to do it....BUT, what about only being able to book FP's 60 days in advance for each day of your stay? That way, every on-site guests has the exact same opportunity to book their preferred FP's on the same day as everyone else. Would it be annoying to have to go online every day if you had a 10 day or 14 day stay...yes. However, all resort guests would then be able to pre-book FP's while also simultaneously taking away the loopholes currently in play now. This of course assumes that Disney IT would be able to handle the massive amount of people attempting to get the prime FP's first thing in the morning (probably not likely, but hey, I can dream right?).

I'm sure most would find it annoying but at the end of the day it "seems" to be the only surefire way to still give on-site guests a perk of early booking while also closing the loopholes that have been previously mentioned. This also assumes that Disney then actually cancels the FP's if your reservation is cancelled. Maybe I'm missing something, probably likely, I'm sure ya'll will let me know if I did, lol.

There’s multiple things they could do to improve the system. The reservations daily would make it tough with the timing, especially other time zones. That could be fixed by optimizing the actual time to accommodate, and if the system actually functioned they wouldn’t have to worry about that being in the middle of the day.

Personally since the Plus implementation, I’ve just wanted them to hybrid the system better to what was and is. So keep the current set up, but hold enough fastpasses back for day of selections as well. But really that’s only necessary for the newest rides. It’s really not that hard to get fastpasses day of or night before currently, I do it every trip.

 

[Turksmom]

I could be wrong but I think they mean when the perk was extended to Good Neighbor hotels that are on property but not Disney owned in the Disney Springs area.

Thanks- I always forget that!

 

[Runnsally]

I've done a "throw away room but not for fast pass for getting dining plan" I stay where I really want but then do a 1 night campground if I only want a 1 night dining plan. I don't think Disney has a problem with that since they are getting money off a room from me twice. I hate to book a dining plan for the whole length of my stay. Never knew that they had the name "throw away room"

The math on this has to be pretty tight, no?

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

Hey all- I'm on the Dis many times throughout the day but rarely post though there are MANY times that I wanted too, lol. Over the past few days I've read over most of the pages (I think anyway since I don't always remember what page I left on...sad as I'm not even THAT old yet). Isn't there a much simpler option? Yes, I know NOTHING is ever simple with Disney IT but here is my random thought that no one will like, which is why I'll get flamed, and then not post for another long period of time

Quick background- I've been going to WDW for over 40 years and have been DVC member for 11 years now. I recall, not fondly, of being the fastpass sprinter on my families early trips. I also remember our 2 trips to Disneyland and running back and forth between the parks since their fastpass systems weren't connected...don't miss those days either. I love FP+ in that we can pick a few rides and with planning still get in what we want throughout the day at the respective parks by rope dropping, staying late or just saying screw it let's go to the Pool! I enjoy the planning and like getting it done but realize it is not a level playing field for on-site guests getting the FP's they want taking into the various lengths of stay, category of booking- club level, etc. Disney is in the business to make money so I don't inherently have an issue with them charging more for most things (ie club level getting FP at 90 days if willing to pay).

I say all of that simply to say isn't there a hybrid approach that could be utilized? I don't want to go back to the old days...the old days weren't always better though the standby lines were shorter.... It pains me to say this, as it would be annoying as all H#LL to have to do it....BUT, what about only being able to book FP's 60 days in advance for each day of your stay? That way, every on-site guests has the exact same opportunity to book their preferred FP's on the same day as everyone else. Would it be annoying to have to go online every day if you had a 10 day or 14 day stay...yes. However, all resort guests would then be able to pre-book FP's while also simultaneously taking away the loopholes currently in play now. This of course assumes that Disney IT would be able to handle the massive amount of people attempting to get the prime FP's first thing in the morning (probably not likely, but hey, I can dream right?).

I'm sure most would find it annoying but at the end of the day it "seems" to be the only surefire way to still give on-site guests a perk of early booking while also closing the loopholes that have been previously mentioned. This also assumes that Disney then actually cancels the FP's if your reservation is cancelled. Maybe I'm missing something, probably likely, I'm sure ya'll will let me know if I did, lol.

The one day at a time change has been brought up on this thread multiple times I believe. The general consensus is that Disney probably doesn't want to make that change as it is a huge inconvenience to those in other time zones. Think of folks on the west coast waking up 8 straight nights at 4am. Additionally, there are concerns that the Disney website couldn't handle that traffic. Right now most on-site people will login one time at 7am and handle their booking for their trip. If they made that change, you could end up with 4x-7x the on-site guest traffic each morning at 7am. That website and app are delicate as it is...

I won't argue with the idea that it would fix loopholes, I just don't think that Disney is looking to go that route (and it seems a lot of folks here agree).

 

[Ben E N]

The one day at a time change has been brought up on this thread multiple times I believe. The general consensus is that Disney probably doesn't want to make that change as it is a huge inconvenience to those in other time zones. Think of folks on the west coast waking up 8 straight nights at 4am. Additionally, there are concerns that the Disney website couldn't handle that traffic. Right now most on-site people will login one time at 7am and handle their booking for their trip. If they made that change, you could end up with 4x-7x the on-site guest traffic each morning at 7am. That website and app are delicate as it is...

I won't argue with the idea that it would fix loopholes, I just don't think that Disney is looking to go that route (and it seems a lot of folks here agree).

Their desire to not want to change it has little to do with not wanting to inconvenience people. The simple fact of the matter is if you want to book FPs for The Millenium Falcon Ride, Tron, the other Star Wars Ride, the GoG coaster, and FoP, you are looking at a minimum of a 10 day stay, because those popular rides will not start to show up until day 65+ in their current system. By allowing people to book their whole trip, and by opening up more hotels to being able to do so, they have made it so 60 days gives you only somewhat of an advantage. You need 64 or more days out to get any of the good things now, and that's before they add even more hotels. It's an evil plan, but a smart one on their part.