Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[motherof5]

The math on this has to be pretty tight, no?

Depends on where you are eating and how many are in the campsite. With 5 kids and the campground sites so cheap sometimes it's worth it. I just figured that out this year. In the past I used to do 3 days at value studios and get free dining for those days.

 

[Upatnoon]

Their desire to not want to change it has little to do with not wanting to inconvenience people. The simple fact of the matter is if you want to book FPs for The Millenium Falcon Ride, Tron, the other Star Wars Ride, the GoG coaster, and FoP, you are looking at a minimum of a 10 day stay, because those popular rides will not start to show up until day 65+ in their current system. By allowing people to book their whole trip, and by opening up more hotels to being able to do so, they have made it so 60 days gives you only somewhat of an advantage. You need 64 or more days out to get any of the good things now, and that's before they add even more hotels. It's an evil plan, but a smart one on their part.

People who are staying 10 days should get those FPs, not people pretending to be staying 10 days and then canceling and keeping the FPs or using any other tricks to get them.

Hopefully, the new policies will help eliminate some of the shenanigans and we may have a chance to get those attractions at 7 days.

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

People who are staying 10 days should get those FPs, not people pretending to be staying 10 days and then canceling and keeping the FPs or using any other tricks to get them.

Hopefully, the new policies will help eliminate some of the shenanigans and we may have a chance to get those attractions at 7 days.

Ok - got it, 10 days bad . But...are people pretending to stay 9 days ok?

 

[Lehuaann]

So split-stays are being affected as well?

We are booked onsite for 12 nights from Christmas to NY - first 4 @ DVC (checking out Christmas Eve), then 8 @ FW.

If we can’t make FP for our entire stay, we may end up changing plans

 

[cel_disney]

So split-stays are being affected as well?

We are booked onsite for 12 nights from Christmas to NY - first 4 @ DVC (checking out Christmas Eve), then 8 @ FW.

If we can’t make FP for our entire stay, we may end up changing plans

DVC split stays seem to be the exception to the rule - even when paired with cash reservations and not just other DVC stays. All indications so far are that you will be okay.

 

[Marionnette]

So split-stays are being affected as well?

We are booked onsite for 12 nights from Christmas to NY - first 4 @ DVC (checking out Christmas Eve), then 8 @ FW.

If we can’t make FP for our entire stay, we may end up changing plans

DVC split stays seem to be the exception to the rule - even when paired with cash reservations and not just other DVC stays. All indications so far are that you will be okay.

Actually, the answer to this question is as clear as mud right now. DVC members have gotten conflicting info. from Member Services when asking about split stays and FPs. All that we know right now is that we don't know anything.

@Lehuaann, we should have a clearer picture by the time that your FPs window rolls around. But if you need to get your ducks in a row now because you have a banking deadline looming for the DVC points you used, then maybe it would be wise to explore your options.

 

[Grumpy6264]

Keep the 60 day/30 day windows, but only allow for that day only. This puts everyone who has the 60 day window on the same playing field. For our last trip, I could not get FOP until 60+5 days.

I know it would be a pain to have log in every day, but I would rather do that, than having to start a trip off with left over fastpasses, because people that started their trip before mine got to those first few days before me.

 

[JenniferYoung44]

Keep the 60 day/30 day windows, but only allow for that day only. This puts everyone who has the 60 day window on the same playing field. For our last trip, I could not get FOP until 60+5 days.

I know it would be a pain to have log in every day, but I would rather do that, than having to start a trip off with left over fastpasses, because people that started their trip before mine got to those first few days before me.

Never going to happen. The longer you have to stay to get a desirable FP, the more money Disney makes.

 

[Marionnette]

Keep the 60 day/30 day windows, but only allow for that day only. This puts everyone who has the 60 day window on the same playing field. For our last trip, I could not get FOP until 60+5 days.

I know it would be a pain to have log in every day, but I would rather do that, than having to start a trip off with left over fastpasses, because people that started their trip before mine got to those first few days before me.

Disney doesn’t want a level playing field. They want to encourage longer stays in their resorts. What you propose doesn’t incentivize anyone to stay a week in a Disney Resort when they get the same advantage for each day of a 3-night stay as someone who stays 7. That could lead to...shudder...people heading over to Universal hotels to get Express Pass for the second half of their trip.

 

[jade1]

Not only that - can you imagine spending your day/evening at MK setting up your next day’s visit to AK? No thanks.

Again, that was a "minimum" needed (to allow "reserving" FP), not a recommendation or preference.

That said-we have changed FP+ for the next day while waiting for HEA more than once.

 

[lovin'fl]

Disney doesn’t want a level playing field. They want to encourage longer stays in their resorts. What you propose doesn’t incentivize anyone to stay a week in a Disney Resort when they get the same advantage for each day of a 3-night stay as someone who stays 7. That could lead to...shudder...people heading over to Universal hotels to get Express Pass for the second half of their trip.

Plus then you'd have to know each day exactly where and when you'll be. I start my FP booking later in my trip and at AK (for FOP). If I can't get the desired day and time I move to another. It would be a mess to try and plan day by day.

 

[Sanwich]

DVC split stays seem to be the exception to the rule - even when paired with cash reservations and not just other DVC stays. All indications so far are that you will be okay.

As someone else mentioned, there actually aren’t any clear indications at this point, but my current personal experience has been negative regarding split stay FP+. I posted this in the DVC forum, but long story short: I have a consecutive 2 night DVC/3 night DVC (all points) split stay, exact same guests for each, 60 day window opened up yesterday and the two reservations have separate FP+ windows... I cannot book FP+ for the time frame of the second reservation. Worth noting I did something similar last year with no problems.

In addition, for those calling/chatting with DVC MS in particular, there anecdotally seems to be a 50/50 split in responses whether a split stay should allow a single FP+ window or not. Really, I think the Disney reps just don’t really know themselves what the “final” policy will be.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Plus then you'd have to know each day exactly where and when you'll be. I start my FP booking later in my trip and at AK (for FOP). If I can't get the desired day and time I move to another. It would be a mess to try and plan day by day.

The thing is our park days were pretty much set. For the 2017 trip we were utilizing park hopper 1 morning at X park and that same park a different day for the nighttime. But FPs were always booked at the second park of the day in the afternoon/evening.

I worked with using a schedule based on park hours at both WDW and Universal, MNSSHP and HHN party dates, and finally EMH.

This was all figured out many months before my FP @ 60days came around. Park hours did adjust to being a bit later but that didn't mean I changed my park days. I had 5 WDW and 3 Universal days to plan out.

Now I will say by chance my last WDW park day ended up being AK at night but that was all because of park hours and MNSSHP dates. I didn't plan AK as the last WDW park day because I thought it would help me get FOP dates. It just was the way the cookie crumbled. TBH I would have liked my last park night to be at MK just didn't work out that way. I still had several days left in the trip after the last WDW park day as well.

BUT I know that's not how everyone plans. I'm not saying I would want to book FPs at each day no way but not everyone looks only FP availability when deciding what park they will be in that day.

 

[karen4546]

i am using Chrome and YES I MADE ALL MY FASTPASSES starting April 28-May 3. i could have made them for April 27 and May 4 but we are not going to the arks that day. i was just suprised at the early booking window. I am happy to get FOP for 2 days. BTW i had my first night at POFQ but changed it to AKL since i had early morning scheduled for MK. But like i said before, 2 separate reservations (one night with dining plan and 6 nights room only) i will try and upload a screenshot to show i made ALL my FPs today at 62 days out from arrival.

update: All my FP+ that i made on Sunday (62 days from my first reservation check in date) are still intact. I did not have to wait for my second window to open - i guess it was a system glitch - thankful they are all still there.

 

[Wish Upon A Starbucks]

I think this thread deserves an award for the most use of the word “shenanigans”. I love that word, but can not confirm or deny my involvement in any shenanigans.

 

[Cloe Colton]

I suggest writing to guest services if you are unhappy with the new split stay policy. I wrote to them this morning and already received a phone call where I voiced my displeasure. It really seems to be a bogus policy considering its only fixing "leading" reservations and doesn't even seem to be canceling fastpasses if reservations are booked. So those of us who do legit split stays are all stuck getting up early multiple times and more than likely not getting FPs for the headliners.

For those who are wondering the CM's only solution to me not being able to get a FP for my stay was for me to rope drop. Personally, I find getting to a park an hour early, fighting the crowds and still having a 30 minute wait to be ridiculous and a waste of my time. Especially because under the old system I could get a FP at 7AM in about five minutes.

I'm usually on Disney's side for most changes or can understand where they are coming from but this was the first one that actually turned my stomach.

 

[cel_disney]

I think this thread deserves an award for the most use of the word “shenanigans”. I love that word, but can not confirm or deny my involvement in any shenanigans.

Hmm - there might be a DVC thread talking about AKL value studios that actually wins that award! Ha!

But I love it too! Just wish we weren’t using it to describe Disney for the second time this year!

 

[pepperandchips]

I think this thread deserves an award for the most use of the word “shenanigans”. I love that word, but can not confirm or deny my involvement in any shenanigans.

I am one poster who used this particular gem of a word and I will say there was a more apropos term but the Dis has prohibitions on obscenity I wanted to be mindful of

My fastpasses from my test booking/cancellation a couple weeks ago have persisted to date. I will now be cancelling them to ensure I don’t run up against my 7 day AP max when my fp booking window opens for an offsite stay ... crap I think I am inside 30 already but they don’t offer fastpass for Flower and Garden food booth queues so I am not too bothered about FP for that trip.

The shenanigan fastpasses I booked way ahead of my 60 day window this week for an early May stay (not through a leading reservation but through the IT weirdness going on) are also still there.

 

[CJN]

Think of folks on the west coast waking up 8 straight nights at 4am. ).

Make that waking up 8 straight nights at 3:51am. I need a couple of minutes to get my index finger warmed up.

 

[ljmiii]

Meanwhile...someone just reported on FB that their window opened at 68 days. Way to go MDE developers!