Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[Spaceguy55]

Why are they doing this?
As with almost all changes lately...$$$
They must have internal info that says if they do this it will result in maximizing revenue.
I believe it will result in more available room blocks for the masses coming for SWGE.
Anybody else expecting a SWGE room package that will offer guaranteed FP's...at a premium rate ?

 

[DavidNYC]

With all the hypotheticals, I really hope they set the system up to give clear warning. If you cancel or change a reservation, the system better have a pop up or generate and email they clearly says “you will lose any FP booked on cancelled hotels days unless ....”. I understand the rule change, but you better warn people before you take away fastpasses. Can you imagine someone cancelling an on-site stay legitimately to save money and then arrive at a park not knowing all their FP are gone.

 

[gwynne]

While it may mess up the people who cancel and rebook or the ones with split stays, I think its a great idea. From this thread I gather lots of people were abusing it.

I never understood the purpose of canceling and rebooking a room. When ever I book a trip I don't keep checking for better deals once I have booked something. I look for the best deal at the time and take it. I don't so the point in going through the hassle in canceling a room then rebooking something else.

Well, you book the new room first. Easy peasy. Then you cancel the old room. Why? Sometimes the savings might be a couple of hundred, in other situations it is much more than that.

 

[Marionnette]

Why are they doing this?
As with almost all changes lately...$$$
They must have internal info that says if they do this it will result in maximizing revenue.
I believe it will result in more available room blocks for the masses coming for SWGE.
Anybody else expecting a SWGE room package that will offer guaranteed FP's...at a premium rate ?

Exactly. Whether it's politics or business, I always say "follow the money and you'll see why certain decisions are made". Disney either determined that they were losing a substantial amount of money with the abuse of the FP booking system or the envisioned a loss based on future plans. I'm guessing that it is the latter.

 

[iujen94]

I’m honestly shaking my head at everyone celebrating this change. Do you not understand a big issue: this is Disney IT we are talking about! Everytime they try and make a change it messes up the whole system! I don’t know how they are going to keep this organized and can foresee MANY MANY issues! People who cancel and rebook within this grace period who still lose their FPs. People with split stays who are screwed over. Just in general breaking the system and causing MDE to glitch up for weeks! Last time they tried to get everything set up for the dated tickets, the whole thing went down for days!

I am heading to WDW on TUESDAY, so am more than a little worried about what is going to be messed up during my trip!

YES. THIS.

Good luck on your trip!!

 

[SaintsManiac]

I never understood the purpose of canceling and rebooking a room. When ever I book a trip I don't keep checking for better deals once I have booked something. I look for the best deal at the time and take it. I don't so the point in going through the hassle in canceling a room then rebooking something else.

Many people cancel and rebook for many reasons. Discounts, flight times, etc.

If you could save hundreds of dollars would that be worth the hassle? It is to me.

 

[DavidNYC]

I’m honestly shaking my head at everyone celebrating this change. Do you not understand a big issue: this is Disney IT we are talking about! Everytime they try and make a change it messes up the whole system! I don’t know how they are going to keep this organized and can foresee MANY MANY issues! People who cancel and rebook within this grace period who still lose their FPs. People with split stays who are screwed over. Just in general breaking the system and causing MDE to glitch up for weeks! Last time they tried to get everything set up for the dated tickets, the whole thing went down for days!

I am heading to WDW on TUESDAY, so am more than a little worried about what is going to be messed up during my trip!

Here’s the other nightmare scenario I see, people make FP at 30 days and then cancel a reservation and the FP dissappear.

And what will the system do with FP booked at 30+ and then changed within 30 before a reservation is cancelled. Again - I don’t really trust them to have the IT in place to protect people who cancel for legitimate reasons who didn’t gain any sort of FP advantage.

 

[Weedy]

If you’re traveling in the next few weeks you should make a copy of all your FP’s so if the system does mess up you can go to Guest Relations and have time them fix it.

 

[Weedy]

Since people visiting the park are all arriving on different (rolling) days I don’t understand how being able to book at 65 days vs 60 days really benefits someone?? If everyone was arriving on the same day yeah.
But there will always be people there the week before you booking the popular attractions.
I’m always amazed how people learn to scam the system. My mind just doesn’t work that way. Please explain the benefit.

 

[SL6827]

Since people visiting the park are all arriving on different (rolling) days I don’t understand how being able to book at 65 days vs 60 days really benefits someone?? If everyone was arriving on the same day yeah.
But there will always be people there the week before you booking the popular attractions.
I’m always amazed how people learn to scam the system. My mind just doesn’t work that way. Please explain the benefit.

FOP fast pass is most likely not available at 60 days out, it is at 65 days out.

 

[Branderson610]

Since people visiting the park are all arriving on different (rolling) days I don’t understand how being able to book at 65 days vs 60 days really benefits someone?? If everyone was arriving on the same day yeah.
But there will always be people there the week before you booking the popular attractions.
I’m always amazed how people learn to scam the system. My mind just doesn’t work that way. Please explain the benefit.

Lets say that most people will be out on Spring Break from March 10-16. To get a jump on fast passes a guest may falsify that they will be at Disney from March 5-16. This way they can get their fastpass 60 window to open up before the masses, entitling them to vitually any fastpass and times they want. Then once they get into the 30 day window either, they move their stay to March 10 -15 and was able to cheat and get fast passes

 

[mckennarose]

Here’s the other nightmare scenario I see, people make FP at 30 days and then cancel a reservation and the FP dissappear.

And what will the system do with FP booked at 30+ and then changed within 30 before a reservation is cancelled. Again - I don’t really trust them to have the IT in place to protect people who cancel for legitimate reasons who didn’t gain any sort of FP advantage.

I definitely don't trust Disney IT either. Earlier in this thread I posted about my experience being on my in-laws DVC reservation and something happened where I was taken off by accident. We never even realized it until about a week had passed. I was within the 30 days and nothing happened, but we were not able to fix it and add me back on until we physically went to the resort. I am the one that has an MDE account so I make all the fast passes for my DH and my kids. Whatever changes they are making, my question would be: how can they protect people who have a legitimate issue like my experience?

 

[SL6827]

Lets say that most people will be out on Spring Break from March 10-16. To get a jump on fast passes a guest may falsify that they will be at Disney from March 5-16. This way they can get their fastpass 60 window to open up before the masses, entitling them to vituslly any fastpass and times they want. Then once they get into the 30 day window either, they move their stay to March 10 -15 and was able to cheat and get fast passes

Or have two reservations, one from March 5-10 and the other from March 10-16 then cancelling the March 5-10 reservation, this is a leading reservation type, correct?

 

[mckennarose]

Lets say that most people will be out on Spring Break from March 10-16. To get a jump on fast passes a guest may falsify that they will be at Disney from March 5-16. This way they can get their fastpass 60 window to open up before the masses, entitling them to vituslly any fastpass and times they want. Then once they get into the 30 day window either, they move their stay to March 10 -15 and was able to cheat and get fast passes

But you need a ticket on your account to be able to book fast passes and tickets are now dated with a start day and so many days to use the whole ticket, not 14 days like it used to be with a start date for whenever you use the first day. Unless they buy a flex ticket, which is a higher price.

 

[Branderson610]

But you need a ticket on your account to be able to book fast passes and tickets are now dated with a start day and so many days to use the whole ticket, not 14 days like it used to be with a start date for whenever you use the first day. Unless they buy a flex ticket, which is a higher price.

I have never done this before, so I could be wrong. I think they may have assigned the tickets for the days they wanted. Like not assigning tickets for the part of the trip that they want to cancel. Like if they said they were staying for ten days yet buying 5 park tickets. Then once fastpass opened up they assigned the fastpasses to the last five days they really needed.

 

[Branderson610]

Or have two reservations, one from March 5-10 and the other from March 10-16 then cancelling the March 5-10 reservation, this is a leading reservation type, correct?

From what I can tell yes, that is a leading reservation.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Why are they doing this?
As with almost all changes lately...$$$
They must have internal info that says if they do this it will result in maximizing revenue.
I believe it will result in more available room blocks for the masses coming for SWGE.
Anybody else expecting a SWGE room package that will offer guaranteed FP's...at a premium rate ?

I am sure it is no coicidence that this is happening as we are nearing the opening of Galaxy's Edge ... they want people to pay to be on site to get better access to the FP for those rides - and the harder it is to get a FP for those rides the more valuable something like a hard ticket event or VIP tour becomes. Not sure I see a room package (other than with the eventual Star Wars Hotel) but I think there will be many ways that will be a way to pay for a FP

 

[SL6827]

From what I can tell yes, that is a leading reservation.

I do think Disney will want to deal with "Leading Reservations" but I think it might take a minute or two before they figure out how to deal with that beast, LoL.

 

[Spaceguy55]

"Tangent Alert"
My thinking was that if you assume that there will be a lot of first timers coming mainly for SWGE,
a room package makes the first experience a lot better. Having an all inclusive package will make their first time more satisfying than having to worry about hard tickets that will go fast. If Disney cares about a new guest's first experience..."not sure they care about us long timers anymore"..it would make sense.

 

[charmed59]

I do think Disney will want to deal with "Leading Reservations" but I think it might take a minute or two before they figure out how to deal with that beast, LoL.

From a coding perspective I think it might be a side effect of the first check. If (reservation<beginning date:ending date>) is deleted then if fastpast made within <beginning date:ending date> ANDIF <beginning date:ending date> is greater than 30 from FPdate delete fast pass.