Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[Runnsally]

If the FP were originally made in under 60 days, but over 30, they would be deleted. The date they cancelled the reservation is not taken into account. It is only a check to see if FP made over 30 days out have an existing reservation 60 days from the day they were made.

For those who have leading reservations because they might drop those leading days for legitimate reasons could make their fast passes at the 60 mark of their second reservation and not lose the FP. This would be 60 days from when they are sure they are staying, not 60 days from when if all the stars align and they could be staying. Then, if the stars don’t align they won’t lose anything.

In order for WDW to continue to market the 60d FP window as a major perk of staying onsite, they can’t make things too complicated for guests. That’s why I think they’ll close the loophole for offsite guests and then re-assess.

Can’t belive I’m posting about this during the Super Bowl...what a life

 

[intertile]

So, this seems to effect some of the "illegal" loopholes but not all. For instance an AP holder can be a fake reservation for the week prior to there actual reservation. That gives them earlier access to the FP window than everyone else. They could then either modify or cancel part of the reservation and it wouldn't cancel their FP+ as there would still be a reservation.

 

[billlaurie]

This may be discussed on the FP thread, but what is the rationale behind allowing guests to book the FP beyond the 60 day mark? Disney could solve the various loophole problems discussed in this thread by only allowing booking at the 60 day mark, or 30 day for offsite, separately for each day of the reservation. Everyone would be on the same playing field. You cancel that day, you lose the FP. It would require a little more work but everyone has the app on their phone and is on their phone constantly anyway! If you are doing just one day at a time, it wouldn't be that time consuming.

 

[MainMom]

What kind of jobs do some of you have that let you book vacation time more then 6 months advance at a time. My job lets people book in 4 to 6 months intervals.

I have never booked any vacation a year out. I save up the money for it that long in advance but don't physically book anything til close to 3 or 4 months ahead of time.

Self-employed.

 

[anomamatt]

This may be discussed on the FP thread, but what is the rationale behind allowing guests to book the FP beyond the 60 day mark?

To encourage people to take longer trips (more $$$ for WDW).

 

[Runnsally]

This may be discussed on the FP thread, but what is the rationale behind allowing guests to book the FP beyond the 60 day mark? Disney could solve the various loophole problems discussed in this thread by only allowing booking at the 60 day mark, or 30 day for offsite, separately for each day of the reservation. Everyone would be on the same playing field. You cancel that day, you lose the FP. It would require a little more work but everyone has the app on their phone and is on their phone constantly anyway! If you are doing just one day at a time, it wouldn't be that time consuming.

I don’t think forcing people to log on at 655am 7 days in a row creates a positive guest experience

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

I don’t think forcing people to log on at 655am 7 days in a row creates a positive guest experience

Imagine if they made that change...some poor mom in Seattle getting up at 3:45am for a week straight 2 months before their Disney trip...

Her coworkers ask "why do you look so tired"

"I'm planning my Disney trip"

They respond "but you don't leave for 2 months"

"This is what it takes for my kids to experience the magic"

 

[bluezy]

What kind of jobs do some of you have that let you book vacation time more then 6 months advance at a time. My job lets people book in 4 to 6 months intervals.

I have never booked any vacation a year out. I save up the money for it that long in advance but don't physically book anything til close to 3 or 4 months ahead of time.

I almost always book our Disney vacations 9-12 months out. My husband is an engineer at a manufacturing company. His company sends out their vacation request forms (they still do hard copies) in January so that's when he can "officially" request his vacation dates for that calendar year. But in reality, that form is just a way to have a hard copy documentation of when people are taking vacation. He can put it on his electronic schedule/calendar more than a year out.

 

[billlaurie]

I don’t think forcing people to log on at 655am 7 days in a row creates a positive guest experience

True, but neither is not being able to get big ticket FP when you are staying on site because people are allowed to manipulate the system, constantly having to be on your phone refreshing to try to get them, or getting up at 5 am to get to the park at rope drop to ride FOP or SDD.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

True, but neither is not being able to get big ticket FP when you are staying on site because people are allowed to manipulate the system, constantly having to be on your phone refreshing to try to get them, or getting up at 5 am to get to the park at rope drop to ride FOP or SDD.

People don't have to constantly be on their phone refreshing or get up at 5am to get to the park to rope drop, etc.

That's overexaggerating.

I think you're trying to fix a problem by creating a much larger and much worse guest experience. You also have zero clue that you and I mean actually you weren't able to get FOP because of the situation you are describing. No matter what, even if you switched to do 1 FP per day, someone is going to be out of luck. What will be the reason for that then?

 

[billlaurie]

Please don't make this personal, everyone is entitled to their own opinion about what their own positive guest experience is. Agree or disagree but no need to insult.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Please don't make this personal, everyone is entitled to their own opinion about what their own positive guest experience is. Agree or disagree but no need to insult.

Uh..I didn't make it personal..not one bit

 

[anomamatt]

True, but neither is not being able to get big ticket FP when you are staying on site because people are allowed to manipulate the system, constantly having to be on your phone refreshing to try to get them, or getting up at 5 am to get to the park at rope drop to ride FOP or SDD.

But this actually works for Disney ($$$)... want a SDD or FOP FP? Better book 5+ day stay...

I don't see Disney eager to fix this problem. And I'm sure SW:GE will require even longer stays, which Disney won't mind.

 

[Ralphmiller007]

What kind of jobs do some of you have that let you book vacation time more then 6 months advance at a time. My job lets people book in 4 to 6 months intervals.

I have never booked any vacation a year out. I save up the money for it that long in advance but don't physically book anything til close to 3 or 4 months ahead of time.

I work as an ICU nurse, and we select a year+ in advance. We have to have all our vacation selections for the following year requested by December 1st.

 

[ZoeBell]

You’ve got the lingo correct.

Disney kinda took care of the leading reservation when they started based dated tickets with shortened length of use. Not completely fixed it but at least made it more difficult.

 

[Runnsally]

But this actually works for Disney ($$$)... want a SDD or FOP FP? Better book 5+ day stay...

I don't see Disney eager to fix this problem. And I'm sure SW:GE will require even longer stays, which Disney won't mind.

Also makes upcharge events like Early Morning Magic and After Hours seem more desirable.

 

[Runnsally]

Disney kinda took care of the leading reservation when they started based dated tickets with shortened length of use. Not completely fixed it but at least made it more difficult.

Are you sure about this? I’d be interested to know if a date-based ticket is not recognized as acceptable ticket media to support a FP made by a leading reservation.

 

[billlaurie]

I am sorry and perhaps I took it the wrong way but I find "you have zero clue" to be insulting. I am definitely not a Disney expert and visit infrequently. I was just "thinking out loud." As others have pointed out, Disney wants the $$$ and they really aren' t concerned as much about the guest experience.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I am sorry and perhaps I took it the wrong way but I find "you have zero clue" to be insulting. I am definitely not a Disney expert and visit infrequently. I was just "thinking out loud." As others have pointed out, Disney wants the $$$ and they really aren' t concerned as much about the guest experience.

You read into something that wasn't there. I meant zero clue as in a practical statement because none of us actually have any idea that that's the reason we didn't get what we wanted. I have zero clue that the reason I didn't get X FP for Y time for Z day is because of the situation you described. I'm by no means meaning it in an insulting way

 

[anniemae]

I am shocked this lasted things long. This should help those 'hard to find' Fast Passes more available. I know I have been tempted to do this the times to do this the two times I stayed offsite. If this is going to happen Disney must have seen a SIGNIFICANT amount of people abusing this.

One of the times I just did a throwaway room (campsite) (and KEPT the reservation (never cancelled) to use the EMH perks. Not ashamed of it, because I paid for (just didn't use) a spot. Based on the prices - the perks were easily worth the cost of the unused room. I still feel throwaway rooms is legitimate as long as you don't cancel.
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I wonder if the "rolling fp" thing is a problem too. I don't understand it totally, but from what I understand when you good a throwaway room, you get your fp for the day 1 of reservation, and day 2 at 60 days. Then you go off site on day 3, but you still got to get fp's at 60 days out for the whole week. Granted you do it day by day for the days you are off site, but you still get ahead of the off site folks for those days you are staying off site. Not to mention competing with the folks staying on site trying to book fp's at 60 days out.