Disney Riviera Resort

[Madonna3]

This isn't how timeshares work when it comes to RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS -- again, that is the only exclusivity you posited that doesn't already exist (pools). Not Disney, not any I'm aware of unless something has changed.

Well I'm done debating with you because you feel the NEED TO CAPITALIZE CERTAIN STATEMENTS AS IF I AM INCAPABLE OF READING THEM IN NORMAL FONT as some type of emphasis that I'm stupid because NOWHERE ELSE DOES IT.

 

[Madonna3]

That's really the gem in this entire thread.

Right? It's so accurate too.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

And because I decided I was going to have fun with something you've been coming unglued since I suggested it. However, not everyone else seems to think it's as ridiculous as you do.

Yes. I've taken you point by point and illustrated why I think that "probably not" IS the most likely outcome re people paying more for exclusive access to restaurants and shops. I must be unglued. That degree has certainly paid off!

When you posited this thing, were you just looking for everyone to agree with you? Seems kinda' boring, no?

 

[jade1]

I can tell you based on what I looked up for my resale. The person paid 120 a point plus financing for 100 points at Bay Lake. I paid 118, probably too much but whatever, I don't think I saw 100 go much below 115 that based on the ROFR thread.

By the way, if you did 2 50 point contracts (100 total), somebody on the dis here today is asking $150 for a BLT 50 point. Just sayin.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Well I'm done debating with you because you feel the NEED TO CAPITALIZE CERTAIN STATEMENTS AS IF I AM INCAPABLE OF READING THEM IN NORMAL FONT as some type of emphasis that I'm stupid because NOWHERE ELSE DOES IT.

So sensitive... Sorry I didn't just agree with you. And I notice you didn't address the substance.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

By the way, if you did 2 50 point contracts (100 total), somebody on the dis here today is asking $150 for a BLT 50 point. Just sayin.

I don't even remember what we paid for BLT back when they first started selling... I'm curious now, not that I'd sell now...

ETA: those I worked with in timeshare briefly years ago talk about how Disney timeshare retains value more than most, but none of us would buy it counting on that. It's really a "guaranteed" good deal if you're going to use it to vacation at the destination over a long enough period of time. Nice if contracts appreciate -- I never would count on it.

 

[Madonna3]

By the way, if you did 2 50 point contracts (100 total), somebody on the dis here today is asking $150 for a BLT 50 point. Just sayin.

Think I could sell my Poly for that? I'd seriously trade someone an even swap for their Copper Creek.

 

[Roxyfire]

By the way, if you did 2 50 point contracts (100 total), somebody on the dis here today is asking $150 for a BLT 50 point. Just sayin.

Yeah sure but I want to actually use them! I had a hard enough time finding the 100 point resale. 50 pointers are like a unicorn.

 

[dlavender]

I'm gonna join the tussle.....

I do wonder what the value would be of having a signature TS (not really signature, but not Mod TS level either), that was DVC/Hotel Occupant restricted.

If there were 1 million points, and they could get a $2 PP premium for this (just pulled that out of...) then that's an extra 2 mill for giving up extra revenue.

How much revenue? If it has 50 tables, Average check of $150, can turn 4 times for dinner, that's $30k per night. That's 11 Mil per year.

If they thought there was a chance that DVC/Hotel Occupant would keep it 80% filled year round, then they'd break even on their proposition.

They'd give the DVC something a little special, and still get their $2 million.

But that is a gamble. And could they really get $2/pp just for having an exclusive restaurant?

All of this is made up math, but it's fun to work through.

 

[Roxyfire]

Think I could sell my Poly for that? I'd seriously trade someone an even swap for their Copper Creek.

You could always call a broker and see. People love those low point contracts. I just looked at the site I used, 160 a point for 50 points but it was very well loaded. I doubt anyone would be selling off Copper Creek yet but who knows, things change so quickly in life.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I'm gonna join the tussle.....

I do wonder what the value would be of having a signature TS (not really signature, but not Mod TS level either), that was DVC/Hotel Occupant restricted.

If there were 1 million points, and they could get a $2 PP premium for this (just pulled that out of...) then that's an extra 2 mill for giving up extra revenue.

How much revenue? If it has 50 tables, Average check of $150, can turn 4 times for dinner, that's $30k per night. That's 11 Mil per year.

If they thought there was a chance that DVC/Hotel Occupant would keep it 80% filled year round, then they'd break even on their proposition.

They'd give the DVC something a little special, and still get their $2 million.

But that is a gamble. And could they really get $2/pp just for having an exclusive restaurant?

All of this is made up math, but it's fun to work through.

I like the substance! Made up math or not! Agreed that it's possible to break even on it -- maybe even profit.

But the odds that enough people would pay a per point premium for an exclusive restaurant? How much of a gamble and is it worth taking?

Like I said -- even Four Seasons and The Ritz allow anyone to eat in their restaurants. Where is the test case? The proven business model on this for a hotel/timeshare?

Maybe it exists and I don't know it.

 

[Madonna3]

I'm gonna join the tussle.....

I do wonder what the value would be of having a signature TS (not really signature, but not Mod TS level either), that was DVC/Hotel Occupant restricted.

If there were 1 million points, and they could get a $2 PP premium for this (just pulled that out of...) then that's an extra 2 mill for giving up extra revenue.

How much revenue? If it has 50 tables, Average check of $150, can turn 4 times for dinner, that's $30k per night. That's 11 Mil per year.

If they thought there was a chance that DVC/Hotel Occupant would keep it 80% filled year round, then they'd break even on their proposition.

They'd give the DVC something a little special, and still get their $2 million.

But that is a gamble. And could they really get $2/pp just for having an exclusive restaurant?

All of this is made up math, but it's fun to work through.

I didn't do any kind of math, I was just sitting here trying to figure out ways that would make someone want to buy this resort. Then I tried to think of ways *I* would want to buy this resort. I've already said having an entire resort like Copper Creek would make me do it. Having a Copper Creek with a BC pool would make me do it, then I thought well, what if it was a place I could actually book on short notice. Then I thought, well, how could I do that? Maybe it would have to be exclusive, no renters. Well, then if it's exclusive and no renters, what else about it could be exclusive? Then I just went with it.

Disney has Club 33. We know how much it costs to get into there, so maybe we do have the math. So we have exclusive pool, we have exclusive restaurant, so how far off is exclusive amenities/shopping? I don't think very far.

Disney can afford to gamble. It's not a huge gamble anyway because if it doesn't work, they do what they do to any restaurant, throw a character at it.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

You could always call a broker and see. People love those low point contracts. I just looked at the site I used, 160 a point for 50 points but it was very well loaded. I doubt anyone would be selling off Copper Creek yet but who knows, things change so quickly in life.

Too bad more people don't seek advice before buying. We deliberately bought a bunch of smaller contracts to make up our balance, for easier resale just in case.

 

[jade1]

Yeah sure but I want to actually use them! I had a hard enough time finding the 100 point resale. 50 pointers are like a unicorn.

Ah sorry, I thought you meant new. But still, lookin pretty good.

We did 80 point contracts, believe we paid $94 new, but we did get the founding tile.

 

[Madonna3]

You could always call a broker and see. People love those low point contracts. I just looked at the site I used, 160 a point for 50 points but it was very well loaded. I doubt anyone would be selling off Copper Creek yet but who knows, things change so quickly in life.

I think if I could sell Poly for what I owe on it and then go buy Copper Creek I'd be happy, but it doesn't really matter. I am never an 11 month out kinda person anyway, so I am pretty much locked out of whatever I try and book.

 

[jade1]

Too bad more people don't seek advice before buying. We deliberately bought a bunch of smaller contracts to make up our balance, for easier resale just in case.

Yep-very wise idea.

 

[dlavender]

I didn't do any kind of math, I was just sitting here trying to figure out ways that would make someone want to buy this resort. Then I tried to think of ways *I* would want to buy this resort. I've already said having an entire resort like Copper Creek would make me do it. Having a Copper Creek with a BC pool would make me do it, then I thought well, what if it was a place I could actually book on short notice. Then I thought, well, how could I do that? Maybe it would have to be exclusive, no renters. Well, then if it's exclusive and no renters, what else about it could be exclusive? Then I just went with it.

Disney has Club 33. We know how much it costs to get into there, so maybe we do have the math. So we have exclusive pool, we have exclusive restaurant, so how far off is exclusive amenities/shopping? I don't think very far.

Disney can afford to gamble. It's not a huge gamble anyway because if it doesn't work, they do what they do to any restaurant, throw a character at it.

I think there would be interest in an exclusive.

It would be one of a kind, and that stuff sells - See Club 33 as you point out/or MK TP View

And if they knew that the exclusivity would give them the extra to seal the deal at top dollar, they'd do it.

I don't think its a bad proposition.

We are all pretty sure they aren't going stormalong 2.0 with the pool.

And the rooftop dining will never be California Grill level.

So perhaps this would be the extra pizazz it needs.......

 

[Roxyfire]

Too bad more people don't seek advice before buying. We deliberately bought a bunch of smaller contracts to make up our balance, for easier resale just in case.

Yeah I knew immediately direct was out of my ability. I got a bit of an unfortunate windfall and looked closer at it again once I heard about resale on here. It seemed like a good fit, next up will be the small direct contract. I was keen to buy it but they didn't have any at Bay Lake in the right use year when I called. I told them they could contact me whenever they did, but I'm still considering adding at a different resort if I find one I like a whole lot.

 

[Madonna3]

I think there would be interest in an exclusive.

It would be one of a kind, and that stuff sells - See Club 33 as you point out/or MK TP View

And if they knew that the exclusivity would give them the extra to seal the deal at top dollar, they'd do it.

I don't think its a bad proposition.

We are all pretty sure they aren't going stormalong 2.0 with the pool.

And the rooftop dining will never be California Grill level.

So perhaps this would be the extra pizazz it needs.......

While resort dining isn't restricted at mods, how many times did you go out of your way to eat at Shutters (CBR), Boatwrights (POR) and Ventanas (CBR)? Not once have I done that. Sit downs at mods have always been a "I'm hungry, can we eat at the resort" kinda thing. I don't know of anyone who went out of their way to go to a moderate for TS. So while they aren't billed as exclusive, I doubt they have a large off property following.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Does anyone understand the logistics of how these gondolas could work in practice?

If there was the possibility of an "express" of sorts for DRR guests to go to Epcot and/or DHS, THAT strikes me as something of value IF they are efficient.

But I have ZERO idea how these things are built/function...