Disney Riviera Resort

[lockedoutlogic]

completely disagree. Are you a DVC member? If you are, do you remember a survey a few years back asking about how DVC members could be appreciated? It mentioned exclusive events. A short time later, there's a member magic event at Typhoon Lagoon. It fills up. There's another one, it fills up. Then DVC puts out 2 dates at each park. ALL OF THEM FULL. Don't tell me there's not a demand for this and don't tell me DVC members wouldn't pay for it in terms of points/dues cause they will.

Agree...there's a natural instinct for dvc to avoid the one and doners as much as possible...

Why? Because in the back of our heads we know they shifted focus to capitalizing on the infrequenters and that our prices have risen exponentially in that strategy.

I'd sure like a pre dining plan world...and it's not my fault. There's a subconscious grudge there.

 

[Roxyfire]

Yeah...but those old contracts weren't priced at $176 a night originally and most won't sell for $100 now.

The real value of resale is using it and getting your money back. Some of them sell over original price - beach club and boardwalk come to mind - and you make a nice walk away...

But double the price of recent hotels is not realistic.

I can tell you based on what I looked up for my resale. The person paid 120 a point plus financing for 100 points at Bay Lake. I paid 118, probably too much but whatever, I don't think I saw 100 go much below 115 that based on the ROFR thread. They also had purchased several other contracts, from disney and wyndham. Seemed like they were getting rid of all or most of them. That person did not make back what they put in but they probably used it enough that it didn't matter?

 

[Madonna3]

You were not at all clear to me.

So let's say non-members can have the pleasure of paying rack and staying there. Fabulous.

Would you like to gamble on your restaurant(s) staying booked ONLY WITH HOTEL GUESTS? Do you think the extra $$ they could extract by telling prospective DRR members: "no one else can eat at YOUR restaurant!!" would balance that out?

How awesome would that restaurant have to be for anyone to care?? V&A level?

I still don't see it. At all.

You don't have to. Put a character in it and overprice everything on the menu by $10 and it'll have a waiting list for years.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I can tell you based on what I looked up for my resale. The person paid 120 a point plus financing for 100 points at Bay Lake. I paid 118, probably too much but whatever, I don't think I saw 100 go much below 115 that based on the ROFR thread. They also had purchased several other contracts, from disney and wyndham. Seemed like they were getting rid of all or most of them. That person did not make back what they put in but they probably used it enough that it didn't matter?

Most of the value in resale is recouping your up front cost in the form of travel you enjoyed...it's not a flipping scheme like some pretend.

 

[dlavender]

You don't have to. Put a character in it and overprice everything on the menu by $10 and it'll have a waiting list for years.

And they say I'm cynical

 

[dlavender]

I can tell you based on what I looked up for my resale. The person paid 120 a point plus financing for 100 points at Bay Lake. I paid 118, probably too much but whatever, I don't think I saw 100 go much below 115 that based on the ROFR thread. They also had purchased several other contracts, from disney and wyndham. Seemed like they were getting rid of all or most of them. That person did not make back what they put in but they probably used it enough that it didn't matter?

If they are lucky, they are just out maint cost for the years they used it, and the opportunity cost of laying out the upfront with no other return than to save money on deluxe rack rate.

 

[Madonna3]

And they say I'm cynical

I'm a psychologist. I notice patterns. How many people absolutely insisted they were booking the new Rapunzel breakfast before the menu and pricing had even come out?

 

[dlavender]

I'm a psychologist. I notice patterns. How many people absolutely insisted they were booking the new Rapunzel breakfast before the menu and pricing had even come out?

I'm not saying you are wrong.

Throw in a rare character, and people will probably pay upfront DVC cost to just lock in a reservation once a year.

"What, Chip and Dale in their train conductor outfits?! Only $20k and I get to eat one meal a year, guaranteed? Here's $25k, keep the change"

 

[lockedoutlogic]

And they say I'm cynical

You ARE cynical

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm a psychologist. I notice patterns. How many people absolutely insisted they were booking the new Rapunzel breakfast before the menu and pricing had even come out?

Owww...I should stop by the couch sometime...we could dive deep into the gremlins of the grey matter...

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

You don't have to. Put a character in it and overprice everything on the menu by $10 and it'll have a waiting list for years.

LOL!! For years, huh?? Let's put you in charge of Disney dining!

I've said since the beginning of this thread that they would have to up the amenities at DRR to extract top dollar, once it isn't connected to a deluxe.

That would include -- in my mind -- a great restaurant, a CS place, nice pool, decent store(s), etc. Everything a DVC member would expect from other stays. Perhaps even a "direct" gondola line or the like -- no idea how/if that would work logistically.

There are other DVCs where you can't pool-hop -- that would be NOTHING NEW.

What do you think the average answer would be to this question: "How much more $$$ would you pay for your contract if the shops/restaurants were ONLY for guests of DRR?"

My guess is that it is negligible. And not worth the risk of foregoing restaurant/shop revenue.

Could be wrong.

 

[Roxyfire]

If they are lucky, they are just out maint cost for the years they used it, and the opportunity cost of laying out the upfront with no other return than to save money on deluxe rack rate.

And thats the way I see it. If I don't want it anymore, I can probably get rid of it without a major loss.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I'm a psychologist. I notice patterns. How many people absolutely insisted they were booking the new Rapunzel breakfast before the menu and pricing had even come out?

Note that they weren't limiting that offer to only guests of ONE RESORT... or just DVC MEMBERS...

No psych degree required! Pretty common trait of a certain % of Disney fans.

 

[dlavender]

And thats the way I see it. If I don't want it anymore, I can probably get rid of it without a major loss.

And that's really what DVC has going for it that no other timeshare on the planet can offer.

 

[Madonna3]

LOL!! For years, huh?? Let's put you in charge of Disney dining!

Book at table at CRT today for tomorrow.

I've said since the beginning of this thread that they would have to up the amenities at DRR to extract top dollar, once it isn't connected to a deluxe.

That would include -- in my mind -- a great restaurant, a CS place, nice pool, decent store(s), etc. Everything a DVC member would expect from other stays. Perhaps even a "direct" gondola line or the like -- no idea how/if that would work logistically.

And I have agreed with you since the beginning of this thread. I think all of us agree with this. I don't really think there is one person on this thread that has gone "ooo we get to share the pool with CBR, sign me up!"

There are other DVCs where you can't pool-hop -- that would be NOTHING NEW.

Exactly and no one pitches a fit about it. So, exclusivity that is accepted. Why is that? And exclusivity to DVC or RESORT guests. How is this different? Because I said you couldn't dine in the restaurant or shop in the shops? Please see Club 33.

It baffles me that someone can't see exclusivity as a hook. Why do people want to eat at Club 33? Why do people pay $25k a year for the privilege? I doubt it's because of the menu. It's 100% because it's exclusive. That's the only reason why I want to eat there because I can't and if I could, only a handful of people could too. Exclusivity sells. That's why it's called Disney Vacation Club, club implying exclusivity, that you belong to something special. Exclusivity sells. Period.

What do you think the average answer would be to this question: "How much more $$$ would you pay for your contract if the shops/restaurants were ONLY for guests of DRR?"

Wrong question. The question isn't how much MORE they would pay, but WHAT would they pay to have that as an amenity? No more renters? Check. No crowds? check. Be able to dine on your time when you want to without a 6 month wait. Check. Amenities, including dining and shopping, reserved only for those staying there? Check.

My guess is that it is negligible. And not worth the risk of foregoing restaurant/shop revenue.

Could be wrong.

We could both be wrong, but I thought it would be fun to explore the realm of possibility. And the more we debate it, the more it's not entirely impossible, though probably not likely. However, how else can you sell a moderate resort for VGF prices? You need to have a hook none of the others have.

Gondolas? Shared with VALUES and MODS. Also, can be accessed by Epcot resorts. No hook.
Deluxe Resort? No hook. They're all deluxe resorts and if they don't do this one right, it will never carry the Deluxe moniker if it shares amenities with CBR
Unique theming? Meh, We have lots of water resorts.
Exclusive to DVC members and resort guests? oh well now, now we have something.

How big do you think this restaurant has to be? Just because it's going to have a view and be rooftop doesn't mean it has to be 200+ tables. It could be quiet and quaint.

How stupid of me to suggest a resort that is paid for and maintained by DVC should be limited to DVC with open availability going to the public.

 

[jade1]

And thats the way I see it. If I don't want it anymore, I can probably get rid of it without a major loss.

And that's really what DVC has going for it that no other timeshare on the planet can offer.

Exactly.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Book at table at CRT today for tomorrow.

No one disputes this. But all are open to all guests. You don't know how this would turn out if they drastically limited the market. Why should Disney chance that??

Exactly and no one pitches a fit about it. So, exclusivity that is accepted. Why is that? And exclusivity to DVC or RESORT guests. How is this different?

No hotel limits access to its RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS. That's what you're positing here. I can have dinner in the Four Seasons and shop in the Ritz. The ultra wealthy there don't seem to mind!!

My friend who lives at the Ritz wouldn't pay a penny to keep people who can afford the shops and restaurants out of them.

I see no business case to do this.

Wrong question. The question isn't how much MORE they would pay, but WHAT would they pay to have that as an amenity? No more renters? Check. No crowds? check. Be able to dine on your time when you want to without a 6 month wait. Check. Amenities, including dining and shopping, reserved only for those staying there? Check.

Same basic question. Bottom line is whether Disney could extract more $$$ for exclusive access to RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS -- that's what you posited. I maintain "doubtful".

We could both be wrong, but I thought it would be fun to explore the realm of possibility. And the more we debate it, the more it's not entirely impossible, though probably not likely. However, how else can you sell a moderate resort for VGF prices? You need to have a hook none of the others have.

Gondolas? Shared with VALUES and MODS. Also, can be accessed by Epcot resorts. No hook.
Deluxe Resort? No hook. They're all deluxe resorts and if they don't do this one right, it will never carry the Deluxe moniker if it shares amenities with CBR
Unique theming? Meh, We have lots of water resorts.
Exclusive to DVC members and resort guests? oh well now, now we have something.

we agree on the "probably not" part... finally...

I'm not yet sold on the top dollar proposition here either, as I've said. I sincerely doubt EXCLUSIVE RESTAURANT AND SHOPS will do it, though.

Will be interesting to see how things unfold...

 

[Madonna3]

No one disputes this. But all are open to all guests. You don't know how this would turn out if they drastically limited the market. Why should Disney chance that??


No hotel limits access to its RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS. That's what you're positing here. I can have dinner in the Four Seasons and shop in the Ritz. The ultra wealthy there don't seem to mind!!

My friend who lives at the Ritz wouldn't pay a penny to keep people who can afford the shops and restaurants out of them.

I see no business case to do this.



Same basic question. Bottom line is whether Disney could extract more $$$ for exclusive access to RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS -- that's what you posited. I maintain "doubtful".


we agree on the "probably not" part... finally...

I'm not yet sold on the top dollar proposition here either, as I've said. I sincerely doubt EXCLUSIVE RESTAURANT AND SHOPS will do it, though.

Will be interesting to see how things unfold...

We've always agreed on the probably not part.

I would die, and not from shock, but from laughter, if they made DDR an exclusive DVC resort

Why do you feel the need to pitch an e-fit (ty @lockedoutlogic ) everytime someone says something you may not agree with?

I stated from the beginning this was outlandish, but I was exploring the idea as outlandish as it might be as part of the "hook" that no one, not even you, can figure out how to sell this resort. And because I decided I was going to have fun with something you've been coming unglued since I suggested it. However, not everyone else seems to think it's as ridiculous as you do.

 

[dlavender]

pitch an e-fit (ty @lockedoutlogic )

That's really the gem in this entire thread.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

How stupid of me to suggest a resort that is paid for and maintained by DVC should be limited to DVC with open availability going to the public.

This isn't how timeshares work when it comes to RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS -- again, that is the only exclusivity you posited that doesn't already exist (pools). Not Disney, not any I'm aware of unless something has changed.