Disney+ revival of Daredevil

[PolymerSkywalker]

Finally got around to the first episode - it's pretty good, though I was a little mad at first. I don't love every story beat, but it is extremely well-done.

On my list.

 

[BrianL]

So, four episodes in, and is it just me or is it a little...boring?

I found it difficult to stay engaged during Wilson and Vanessa's marriage counseling. The court case was at least interesting, but redered immediately irrelevant afterward. It seems like it is ramping up at the end of episode 4, but I want to see Daredevil daredeviling! Those early seans in episode 1 loooked so cool - a superhero actually swinging from the rooftops. Then they;re like, "Here's a taste, but we'll have none of that now! Time for politics and disfunctional relationships." Meh. I'll stick it out, but it's not where I wanted it to be.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Ratings are not great, has Marvel lost its mojo?

 

[BrianL]

Ratings are not great, has Marvel lost its mojo?

Yeah, but I doubt my issues above have anything to do with ratings. Most people who aren't watching it have likely not even started the series. I honestly believe that people don't go to Disney+ for that kind of semi-edgy content. It's not what the audience is looking for. They should have made it more in line with most MCU style content as opposed to the Netflix series.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

I haven’t watched it yet, but I plan to give it a shot.

Watching Yellowjackets right now, and it has me on the edge of my seat.

 

[maverik85]

So, four episodes in, and is it just me or is it a little...boring?

To be honest, this is kind of what I was expecting. The Netflix seasons got rave reviews, but honestly when I watched them I felt they were pretty slow paced and boring for a lot of the run time. They had moments to keep you invested and the final third were usually fairly engaging, but the seasons as a whole were pretty boring to me. I think the fact that they were released at once so people could binge them and get the next episode and tot eh finale and big story moments are what made those shows successful. Felt if they had been released weekly they would have been criticized for being slow.

 

[BrianL]

To be honest, this is kind of what I was expecting. The Netflix seasons got rave reviews, but honestly when I watched them I felt they were pretty slow paced and boring for a lot of the run time. They had moments to keep you invested and the final third were usually fairly engaging, but the seasons as a whole were pretty boring to me. I think the fact that they were released at once so people could binge them and get the next episode and tot eh finale and big story moments are what made those shows successful. Felt if they had been released weekly they would have been criticized for being slow.

This is true. One issue that a lot of streaming shows have is that they don't seem to consider whether the show will drop all at once or be week-to-week. Personally, I like the week-to-week model, but you have to adjust your pacing accordingly. It's a different feel than the "Long Movie" style of something like Stranger Things. You have shows that want to do that "one off" episode that is all in the mind (Moon Knight) or flashback episodes (Acolyte), and that works better when it is a binge, but not so much if it is not. Stranger Things has done episodes like that too, but they aren't as harmful to the narrative since they drop all at once. It's a real issue with streaming shows across the board.

 

[maverik85]

This is true. One issue that a lot of streaming shows have is that they don't seem to consider whether the show will drop all at once or be week-to-week. Personally, I like the week-to-week model, but you have to adjust your pacing accordingly. It's a different feel than the "Long Movie" style of something like Stranger Things. You have shows that want to do that "one off" episode that is all in the mind (Moon Knight) or flashback episodes (Acolyte), and that works better when it is a binge, but not so much if it is not. Stranger Things has done episodes liek that too, but they aren't as harmful to the narrative since they drop all at once. It's a real issue with streaming shows across the board.

Yea I do like that Disney has been starting to try some alterations on the model and doing a bit of a hybrid of the two. Like Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man releasing 2 or 3 episodes a week and Andor season 2 doing an arc each week for 4 weeks. This way we get the story faster but it's still spread out some to keep up discussion and speculation as well. This is great for the slower paced shows so they don't feel the need to rush the story but it isn't drawn out. More episodic stuff that has stories each episode like Agatha work pretty well for weekly but the more dramatic shows with longer run times can feel a bit slow and like there isn't much progression each week. I hope they look towards doing more hybrid releases like these as it gives a bit of a best of both worlds between binging format and weekly releases.

 

[BrianL]

So, I am caught up, and it has gotten a little better, though maybe not enough so. Still, last night I was watching this week's episode and I thought it was onlu 8 episodes and I was...NOT happy! I thought they just ended it...like THAT! I thought that this was the worst Marvel series yet! But...there is an Episode 9 next week - thank goodness! Because with how long they take between seasons of streaming shows, there's no telling when we would've gotten the resolution. I will say that next week....
He better be wearing the suit! Like almost the entire time! Man, I hate how they do these superhero shows with no superheroes in them.

 

[bcla]

I don't think I'm giving away any big spoilers, but it does kind of bother me that the plot has the Mayor of New York City exercising powers that he doesn't have. Including the power to commute sentences. That's the power of the Governor.

 

[BrianL]

I don't think I'm giving away any big spoilers, but it does kind of bother me that the plot has the Mayor of New York City exercising powers that he doesn't have. Including the power to commute sentences. That's the power of the Governor.

Well, I think they were making some comments on abuse of power...but I won't get into it.

I will say that I felt that the finale especially was more violent than it needed to me. I mean, I can roll with that - I like some very violent movies, but some of this was just gratuitous with no real purpose. I didn't love that. I also hate that they left so much up in the air for a Season 2. The way Streaming shows go, we should see that in three or four years. Ugh.

 

[bcla]

Well, I think they were making some comments on abuse of power...but I won't get into it.

I will say that I felt that the finale especially was more violent than it needed to me. I mean, I can roll with that - I like some very violent movies, but some of this was just gratuitous with no real purpose. I didn't love that. I also hate that they left so much up in the air for a Season 2. The way Streaming shows go, we should see that in three or four years. Ugh.

Well yeah. The whole thing about just blatant illegal stuff going on (such as assassinations) wasn't quite what I was thinking of. Police conducting extrajudicial killing is something that most people recognize. Using public office to enrich private business interest is clearly illegal. Duh.

But what I was getting at was just simple stuff making it look like the Mayor of New York City oversees state prisons and can commute sentences handed out by state courts. And there are some little things that they got wrong, like talking about taking something to the New York Supreme Court. As we've learned from recent news, the New York Supreme Court is the equivalent of most states' superior courts.

 

[BrianL]

Well yeah. The whole thing about just blatant illegal stuff going on (such as assassinations) wasn't quite what I was thinking of. Police conducting extrajudicial killing is something that most people recognize. Using public office to enrich private business interest is clearly illegal. Duh.

But what I was getting at was just simple stuff making it look like the Mayor of New York City oversees state prisons and can commute sentences handed out by state courts. And there are some little things that they got wrong, like talking about taking something to the New York Supreme Court. As we've learned from recent news, the New York Supreme Court is the equivalent of most states' superior courts.

Well, I mean, there might be a person right now who is just doing stuff that they don't have the authority to do. I think the point was that Fisk was doing it regardless of whether or not anyone says that he can. They also showed that half the people love him and half hate him.

 

[maverik85]

The way Streaming shows go, we should see that in three or four years. Ugh.

They have said that season 2 will premiere in March next year.

 

[BrianL]

They have said that season 2 will premiere in March next year.

Yes, I did see that - at least it's a reasonably fast turnaround. More streaming shows should take note!