Disney offers new premium package for Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party

I'll say this...they never "misplace" their old bag of tricks...

We had the dessert thing at EPCOT after our wedding...it was $24 a person and had twice the quality of food that they throw out now...

And it wasnt THAT long ago.

Right - Adam smith decided that they should have it in every park on practically everyday under flimsy pretense.

...right.
 
In terms of pricing this is "only" priced $20 over the current Wishes dessert party, that they offer almost nightly. I think that's not an outrageous upcharge, through the lens that this IS Disney. I was actually surprised by that, when the info came out. For that $20, you're getting, essentially, a FP for parade viewing, a mug with some candy in it, and (I think) a "collectible" badge and lanyard. That seems about right, in terms of disney pricing.

Now, we can argue if Disney's pricing, as a whole, is "right" or not...that's a different argument. And we can argue whether the table cloths and lanterns warrant the recent $20 price increase, too. I think I'd likely side with locked out on those discussions....I usually do. :)

But I'm paying for this, knowing full well that it's not cheap. But, for that money, I get some stress relief because the parade/fireworks "stake out" process is my least favorite thing about Disney (and yes, that includes some of their business practices). We're also travelling with my 63 year old mother, this trip...so those seats at the dessert party carry some extra value, too. I fully acknowledge this isn't going to be a great deal/value. for lots and lots of folks.

In essence, I'm proof that Disney is right in their assumption that there is a sizeable group out there that will pay for convenience. And I may grumble while paying for it. I may point to it as evidence that Disney is, once again, targeting a higher income demographic, with potential spare capacity, and offer them convenience benefits (and not much else) for a considerable price. But...I'm also sometimes one of the first in line to pay that price. ;)

Caveat, though: If initial reviews aren't good, or if the convenience is not what I anticipate it will be (parade spot check in around 8:15, relatively seemless and timely "herding" process from parade spot to the terrace, etc)...we will cancel.
 

Probably a common "choice" made by many.

Probably. Just as the VSS pricing put some folks out.

But, there are at least 4 dates sold out already. So demand seems to be there. I think it will probably carry more value on sold out, or close to sold out, parties than, say, at an odd Tuesday in September.
 
yess but the price will always be that expensive because it's almost all sold out already

Probably. Just as the VSS pricing put some folks out.

But, there are at least 4 dates sold out already. So demand seems to be there. I think it will probably carry more value on sold out, or close to sold out, parties than, say, at an odd Tuesday in September.

Agreed-and that's my point.

Folks get caught up on how expensive some things at WDW. Yet they constantly sell out.

But you can "choose" to avoid them. It's not that difficult really-just say no. But if somebody else is "choosing" to buy them (with no gun to their head by the way), its a product in demand and is smart to be offered.

Some guests splurge on things others think is crazy. But having more choices is a good thing IMO.
 
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In terms of pricing this is "only" priced $20 over the current Wishes dessert party, that they offer almost nightly. I think that's not an outrageous upcharge, through the lens that this IS Disney. I was actually surprised by that, when the info came out. For that $20, you're getting, essentially, a FP for parade viewing, a mug with some candy in it, and (I think) a "collectible" badge and lanyard. That seems about right, in terms of disney pricing.

Now, we can argue if Disney's pricing, as a whole, is "right" or not...that's a different argument. And we can argue whether the table cloths and lanterns warrant the recent $20 price increase, too. I think I'd likely side with locked out on those discussions....I usually do. :)

But I'm paying for this, knowing full well that it's not cheap. But, for that money, I get some stress relief because the parade/fireworks "stake out" process is my least favorite thing about Disney (and yes, that includes some of their business practices). We're also travelling with my 63 year old mother, this trip...so those seats at the dessert party carry some extra value, too. I fully acknowledge this isn't going to be a great deal/value. for lots and lots of folks.

In essence, I'm proof that Disney is right in their assumption that there is a sizeable group out there that will pay for convenience. And I may grumble while paying for it. I may point to it as evidence that Disney is, once again, targeting a higher income demographic, with potential spare capacity, and offer them convenience benefits (and not much else) for a considerable price. But...I'm also sometimes one of the first in line to pay that price. ;)

Caveat, though: If initial reviews aren't good, or if the convenience is not what I anticipate it will be (parade spot check in around 8:15, relatively seemless and timely "herding" process from parade spot to the terrace, etc)...we will cancel.

I agree with what you say. I will also add, that sometimes the reason (value or not) is because it's "Different" and how often would/could you do this? We did CRT for this reason. It was nice but I really don't think the "Value" of it (2 Table Service Credits for us) in the meal and atmosphere. The meal was nothing all that special (although I did have Steak and Eggs for breakfast), nor was the Character/Princess interactions all that spectacular (at least from my point of view). The Characters game and took a picture and quickly moved on. It was a process. For the KIDS however, it was a once in a lifetime memorable experience. That they may never get to do again. Overpriced! Sure, but yet, we still pay for these things and they still sell out. (and we still demand more!)
 
I agree with what you say. I will also add, that sometimes the reason (value or not) is because it's "Different" and how often would/could you do this? We did CRT for this reason. It was nice but I really don't think the "Value" of it (2 Table Service Credits for us) in the meal and atmosphere. The meal was nothing all that special (although I did have Steak and Eggs for breakfast), nor was the Character/Princess interactions all that spectacular (at least from my point of view). The Characters game and took a picture and quickly moved on. It was a process. For the KIDS however, it was a once in a lifetime memorable experience. That they may never get to do again. Overpriced! Sure, but yet, we still pay for these things and they still sell out. (and we still demand more!)

Exactly. Not one word about E tickets either.

A&E was THEE favorite thing for a group of 9 that went for the first time ever last month.
 
And there is no adult drinks even?!

Good point...in the magic kingdom you get less for your dollar there...

You know..."magic" and all.

To be clear...I don't specifically hate the dessert parties...I see the point and I can see many angles where it makes sense. People can do as they see fit.

It's just a really slippery slope...diving for all these up charges.

Who knows where it could take the place and ALL of us with it.

I can seea scenario where "belts have to be tightened" in the future because enough up charges aren't being bought. It's all just money... They'll use it to their advantage. Perhaps plans get downsized/cancelled in the future..."revenues" and "profits" and "operating incomes" are super ambiguous terms that allow alot of accountant flexibility.
 
I can seea scenario where "belts have to be tightened" in the future because enough up charges aren't being bought. It's all just money... They'll use it to their advantage. Perhaps plans get downsized/cancelled in the future..."revenues" and "profits" and "operating incomes" are super ambiguous terms that allow alot of accountant flexibility.

At a certain point it's going to start conflicting with the dining plans. There's only so much food the average family wants to eat in a day, and enough dining up-sells could really work against what limited value already resides in there (especially the deluxe dining plan).

Unless of course the dining plans just became a de-facto free add-on (where free means bundled price) for all Disney resorts, and is trimmed back to be just short of enough food for the day, such that the up-sells start to look like a good deal. :rolleyes:
 
At a certain point it's going to start conflicting with the dining plans. There's only so much food the average family wants to eat in a day, and enough dining up-sells could really work against what limited value already resides in there (especially the deluxe dining plan).

Unless of course the dining plans just became a de-facto free add-on (where free means bundled price) for all Disney resorts, and is trimmed back to be just short of enough food for the day, such that the up-sells start to look like a good deal. :rolleyes:

The dining plans were never about making money...sorta

They were a way to mentally direct the customers to situations where other things can make high profits.

Nearly all the walkaway profits come from the giftshops... The production cost to sale price is estimated to be 1:10 or even 1:20.

The dining plan is obvious to me (my opinion) from day 1:
Take that expense out of the equation months in advance and put people in the mood to spend their vacation dollars at shops... Simple psychology.

It's probably worked.

The fact they lowered the choices/quality and almost doubled the price of many food offerings is just sauce for the goose...no pun intended.

Will upsells cut into dining plans? Maybe... But more upside to try it...

The right market are far more likely to pay the fee...hundreds of dollars with low overhead...and load their dining plan on another day...

It's worth the risk for them.
 
I was really disappointed in how MK handles the Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween (MNSSH) event. For an additional fee just to participate you would think MK would close down the park to the general public and then allow for people that purchased the MNSSH entry into the park. That was not the case and the park was already crowded from the day patrons and were not forced out. Those same patrons that did not pay the additional fee to participate in the MNSSH, most took advantage of watching the parade and the fireworks show, making the event feel like a waste of money and extremely large crowds. I do realize the CM's were looking for wristbands and not allowing those without them into the stores and on any attractions however we saw several teenagers in front of us on the HM without wristbands and the CM's did nothing....thus the longs were long and crowds were heavy. Side note, we did not point out those without wristbands to the CM's as we did not feel it is our job to police a disorganized event.
For this reason I would never pay again for the MNSSH experience let alone pay extra for a cup cake and a so called private viewing area.

Sorry to rant and go off topic. :offtopic:
 
I was really disappointed in how MK handles the Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween (MNSSH) event. For an additional fee just to participate you would think MK would close down the park to the general public and then allow for people that purchased the MNSSH entry into the park. That was not the case and the park was already crowded from the day patrons and were not forced out. Those same patrons that did not pay the additional fee to participate in the MNSSH, most took advantage of watching the parade and the fireworks show, making the event feel like a waste of money and extremely large crowds. I do realize the CM's were looking for wristbands and not allowing those without them into the stores and on any attractions however we saw several teenagers in front of us on the HM without wristbands and the CM's did nothing....thus the longs were long and crowds were heavy. Side note, we did not point out those without wristbands to the CM's as we did not feel it is our job to police a disorganized event.
For this reason I would never pay again for the MNSSH experience let alone pay extra for a cup cake and a so called private viewing area.

Sorry to rant and go off topic. :offtopic:
While I did not really take that much notice to who was or was not wearing the bands for the MVMCP, I suspect much of the same thing. Starting at 4PM if you had the special event tickets you could get in the park (if you were already in you could go to select locations to get your wristband). Starting at 7PM they started directing those without the wristband towards the exit. They weren't allowed in the shops or on the rides/attractions, but really they only "Directed" them outward. Maybe that was the reason it was so crowded. I think at about 7:30ish they need to "Escort" them to a Direct path out. (Perhaps the "Back" exit behind main st from Tomorrowland side or on the other side of the park direct them towards the path of frontier land with more CM's to keep them shuffling along). I will say I don't know if this was the issue or that they just sold a lot more tickets for the event, but it was way too crowded for what was billed as a limited ticket event. (I felt like it was a regular day at the park with the crowd).
 
The dining plans were never about making money...sorta

They were a way to mentally direct the customers to situations where other things can make high profits.

Nearly all the walkaway profits come from the giftshops... The production cost to sale price is estimated to be 1:10 or even 1:20.

The dining plan is obvious to me (my opinion) from day 1:
Take that expense out of the equation months in advance and put people in the mood to spend their vacation dollars at shops... Simple psychology.

It's probably worked.

The fact they lowered the choices/quality and almost doubled the price of many food offerings is just sauce for the goose...no pun intended.

Will upsells cut into dining plans? Maybe... But more upside to try it...

The right market are far more likely to pay the fee...hundreds of dollars with low overhead...and load their dining plan on another day...

It's worth the risk for them.

This is going to sound like I'm floating OT, but I'll bring it back, in a bit:

I think DDP use (though margins are increasing, so....take that for what you will) when it's not "free" is declining (maybe precipitously from the early days), and those that do still partake largely do so for convenience. And I think a LOT of those folks do not take full advantage of it (you have to eat a LOT of snacks and use that mug), so end up spending more on the DDP than they would OOP, especially if they knew "the system" better.

I think a LOT of Dis folks might disagree with the above...and for them, it's probably not as true...but should recognize that the folks on here are typically the "uber-planners" who know the system better. Even so, the rec I hear from most board memebers is that you have to be very careful, work very hard, or have very specific circumstances/party make up to make the DDP make sense.

I think Disney knows that, and they've come to understand that there is a segment out there that will "pay more" for the convenience factor...be that factor related to being able to pre-pay for food, or whether it's a matter of the convenience of having a specific agenda to follow (you know you're doing 1 QS and 1TS pretty much every day).

Now we loop back around: I think these upcharge events are Disney showing they know what's what....and that there is a market for these types of convenience factors, that they can dress them up, incurring very little direct costs, and sell them for a pretty decent margin. And they pretty much know WHO they can sell them to, because they're marketing other offerings to that economic strata, too.

And, hey...I was one of the first in line to hand them my money. And largely for exactly why they think people will want it: The convenience factor. They found the one thing I hate MOST about Disney (staking out spots for parades/fireworks) and are offering me a way to NOT have to deal with it. And they're wrapping it up in a pretty little bow of sugar, cheap plastic/ceramic, and mini bits of candy...with some table cloths and jack o lanterns to boot.
 
I was really disappointed in how MK handles the Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween (MNSSH) event. For an additional fee just to participate you would think MK would close down the park to the general public and then allow for people that purchased the MNSSH entry into the park. That was not the case and the park was already crowded from the day patrons and were not forced out. Those same patrons that did not pay the additional fee to participate in the MNSSH, most took advantage of watching the parade and the fireworks show, making the event feel like a waste of money and extremely large crowds. I do realize the CM's were looking for wristbands and not allowing those without them into the stores and on any attractions however we saw several teenagers in front of us on the HM without wristbands and the CM's did nothing....thus the longs were long and crowds were heavy. Side note, we did not point out those without wristbands to the CM's as we did not feel it is our job to police a disorganized event.
For this reason I would never pay again for the MNSSH experience let alone pay extra for a cup cake and a so called private viewing area.

Sorry to rant and go off topic. :offtopic:

All I can tell you is this:

Our last 3 parties, we've seen cast members herding people toward the front of the park and, after about 8 PM-ish, actively escorting them to the front entrance. I watched a whole party/family be "removed" from their spot on Main street, while CM's were roping off for the parade, and "herded" toward the exit.

I've no doubt that some folks slip through the cracks. But I honestly don't think it's that many. It hasn't been at our parties, anyway.
 
While I did not really take that much notice to who was or was not wearing the bands for the MVMCP, I suspect much of the same thing. Starting at 4PM if you had the special event tickets you could get in the park (if you were already in you could go to select locations to get your wristband). Starting at 7PM they started directing those without the wristband towards the exit. They weren't allowed in the shops or on the rides/attractions, but really they only "Directed" them outward. Maybe that was the reason it was so crowded. I think at about 7:30ish they need to "Escort" them to a Direct path out. (Perhaps the "Back" exit behind main st from Tomorrowland side or on the other side of the park direct them towards the path of frontier land with more CM's to keep them shuffling along). I will say I don't know if this was the issue or that they just sold a lot more tickets for the event, but it was way too crowded for what was billed as a limited ticket event. (I felt like it was a regular day at the park with the crowd).

In recent years, we've noticed the crowd levels increasing, too.

I suspect this is more that they are selling MORE tickets than anything else. "Limited" used to mean a lot more limited, IMHO. Now, I wonder if they're selling almost as many tickets to the parties as they see in an average attendance day in October. Probably not..but you're definitely not alone in noticing that the crowds have increased.
 
In recent years, we've noticed the crowd levels increasing, too.

I suspect this is more that they are selling MORE tickets than anything else. "Limited" used to mean a lot more limited, IMHO. Now, I wonder if they're selling almost as many tickets to the parties as they see in an average attendance day in October. Probably not..but you're definitely not alone in noticing that the crowds have increased.
While not the MNSSHP, we did the MVMCP in 2012 and again in 2014. In 2012, it was nice. A good crowd but not overly crowded. You could tell that there was a reduced crowd from a normal day. In 2014, We might as well have been going to a regular Saturday during "High" season, because one could hardly tell the difference. Just like a normal day, we had to "Stake" out our Parade spot 2 hours in advance, and even then, we still had to "Fight" (so to speak) to keep it without being blocked.

I am not sure we will ever go back to either the Christmas or Halloween parties. Those crowds with the "Extra Costs" aren't worth it. Doesn't matter how much cocoa and cookies (at least for the MVMCP) they give. They weren't that good anyway (plus in 2014 we had to wait in a long line for them too!)
 
We went the Christmas party last year...had been to the Halloween one in 2010 and hadn't been to either since 2002 prior...

2002 = nice
2010 = crowded but ok (10/29)
2014 = supremely crowded/awful (11/8)

I wonder what the correlation is...hmmmm?
 
I was really disappointed in how MK handles the Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween (MNSSH) event. For an additional fee just to participate you would think MK would close down the park to the general public and then allow for people that purchased the MNSSH entry into the park. That was not the case and the park was already crowded from the day patrons and were not forced out. Those same patrons that did not pay the additional fee to participate in the MNSSH, most took advantage of watching the parade and the fireworks show, making the event feel like a waste of money and extremely large crowds. I do realize the CM's were looking for wristbands and not allowing those without them into the stores and on any attractions however we saw several teenagers in front of us on the HM without wristbands and the CM's did nothing....

I think that these kinds of conflicts and ambivalent feelings happen because the entire philosophy behind the upselling-parties is weird and hard to wrap your head around. You're charging everyone the same, high price for theme park admission. But on many days, you believe that you can boot out people after not giving them a full day's worth of rides and shows - and not refund them anything - and then let in people who've paid an extra premium, and give them more-or-less exactly what you should have given everyone as part of their admission anyways.

So it is understandable that some people without the party tickets will try to overstay their welcome, because (I suppose) they feel like being allowed to hang around the park for a FULL day is what their admission ticket entitles them to. It is not surprising that cast members don't feel all that motivated to seek out, confront and argue with people who have overstayed. They're not really trespassers, but they're sort of, kind of reverse gatecrashers or squatters ... an ambiguous infraction that was created out of thin air by Disney company fiat.

And it's also understandable that people who DID pay the upcharge are annoyed to see these reverse gatecrashers hanging around. But they also don't feel like trying to police the situation because (a) it's not their job, and (b) the whole concept is morally ambiguous. What did they really pay for? Some candy and hot chocolate? Or mostly just to watch a parade, fireworks show and get a few rides ... which people ordinarily do at MK in the evening anyways.

And on top of that problem, there's the problem of overselling something that was supposed to be a limited, premium event.

Here's a question - when the upcharge parties coincide with "busy days" on the schedule, will Disney charge people "gold day" admission and then kick them out early anyways? Or not kick them out, and just try to make them feel like heels ... try to wrap your head around that.
 












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