Disney Kicks Out Some Pop Warner Teams After Fight

[Minniemouse07]

You know that they may have been more well behaved this year since the past few years alot of people have been complaining about them, I know a couple of years back they were quite a few of them that were very rude and loud, last year I had made reservations for POFQ in May and when I got there they tried to put me at Riverside, I said in no uncertain terms would I move there and was told they would try other resorts, and I said NOT THE Values either, they even offered me 1 free night, I said I would rather drive back to Tampa if that were the case, and this was because of the noise issues and the pool issues I had encountered in the past. And don't say that I should chose another week if it bothered me that much, I enjoy Mousefest which just happens to be the same week. The point being if they bothered me they probably bothered others so perhaps that is why Disney decided they needed to take some actions to keep their other guests happy. I am sure that the teams were informed well in advance that they needed to be well behaved and that they needed to have more chaparones on hand. But it's a shame that there will always be a few that will ruin it for the MANY many well behaved ones. Perhaps having them move in the middle of the night was drastic but if the infraction was one that being kicked out then at no time either during the day or night would have made them happy.

Weren't the cheerleaders at POFQ too? I saw lots of windows and doors decorated at POFQ from the boat on the way to/from Downtown Disney.

I have two small kids and we were in and out at all hours day/night and really didn't hear anything in the way of noise. Dd swam at the pool three times and again...noone was overly rambunctious, etc.

Maybe they have cracked down a bit more and they are all behaving now?

 

[lalimom]

Waianae, in Hawaii, is a very bad area also. Again, I say this fight was probably very gang-like and violent....

Your remarks about Hawaiian locals are really ignorant and racist. Do you know the ethnicity of any of the kids involved or are you assuming things? And for that matter, does it make any difference whether these kids were Samoan, Hawaiian, Filipino, or is it simply that you assume that they are dark-skinned and therefore troublemakers?

What's your stereotype about Kahalu'u?

For the record, I live in Hawaii, am Hawaiian (therefore dark skinned), and think that Disney did the right thing (although I tilt a little to making the families leave in the morning, rather than right away). I was pretty pleased that the discussion thread was staying where it should--about personal responsibility, parents/adults supervising kids, that sort of thing. But of course, there's a Princess in every crowd.

 

[mamamary]

I just wanted to add that this story finally hit the Baltimore newspaper today. Not surprisingly the Baltimore team is blaming the teams from Hawaii.

 

[rgf207]

I just wanted to add that this story finally hit the Baltimore newspaper today. Not surprisingly the Baltimore team is blaming the teams from Hawaii.

I just read the article. All 3 teams have conflicting statements. What a surprise. Noone takes responsibility for anything. It's sickening

 

[Pixiedust34]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.patriots13dec13,0,3137791.story

 

[NHdisneylover]

From the article a quote by the father of one of the Baltimore kids: "A fist fight between boys, we can shrug that off, but when an adult is involved, that is when I get upset." WHile yes I agree the adult should NOT be fighting, the attitude that one would "shrug off" a fight between the boys says a whole lot about how this situation happened in the first place

 

[Olaf]

If any of these children had been seriously injured how much do you want to bet that these same families would be attempting to sue Disney for not having enough security? Imagine what would have happened if some other guest, not associated with Pop Warner, had been injured. Kudos to Disney. I hope they don't renew their contract with Pop Warner.

Once the decision was made to ban them from WDW they had to leave immediately. What was Disney supposed to do? Station security outside their doors to prevent them from leaving for the parks in the morning? The fact that they are directing their anger at Disney and not at their little darlings says it all.

 

[Lintasare]

After reading that article I am not suprised that all 3 teams gave conflicting statements. None of them wanted to be the one to get in trouble for the fight. And for some reason I am not surprised to hear that an adult chaperone was egging them on. That to me smacks of irresponsibility.

I hope Pop Warner punishes all 3 teams for this. No matter who started it they have stained Pop Warner's good name and reputation.

 

[akhenaten]

The following quote is from the newspaper articlementione above:

"The memo goes on to state that there have been "serious behavior problems" at past super bowls and that "such problems have not been tolerated in the past, and certainly will not be tolerated this year." The memo also reminds participants that those involved in a fight or other altercation risk "forfeiting hotel and other deposits"

I don't know what was given to the group members....but if it was worded like this..then it should have ony affected "those involved".

The participants should have been removed from the premises..but if there were families in their own rooms...not involved...they should not have been kicked out in the middle of the night......


What happened to groups wanting to represent their communities in a decent way....best behavior??

This is going to cause me to have some additional conversations with my son when we go to hockey tournaments....

 

[sjaakie]

Good action from Disney and an very good warning for other groups.

 

[Princess_Michelle]

Your remarks about Hawaiian locals are really ignorant and racist. Do you know the ethnicity of any of the kids involved or are you assuming things? And for that matter, does it make any difference whether these kids were Samoan, Hawaiian, Filipino, or is it simply that you assume that they are dark-skinned and therefore troublemakers?

What's your stereotype about Kahalu'u?

For the record, I live in Hawaii, am Hawaiian (therefore dark skinned), and think that Disney did the right thing (although I tilt a little to making the families leave in the morning, rather than right away). I was pretty pleased that the discussion thread was staying where it should--about personal responsibility, parents/adults supervising kids, that sort of thing. But of course, there's a Princess in every crowd.

Being from Hawaii, and being Hawaiian, then you should know what I'm talking about when I say Waianae is a bad area.....either that, or you are part of the problem and/or in denial. My comments are NOT racist. I did not say that EVERY Hawaiian local was like this, b/c having known many locals, I KNOW that they are not. When I say local I mean people who live in Hawaii; Samoan, Hawaiian, Filipino, WHATEVER, I could gove a crap about their skin color....

As far as ignorant.....I'm pretty confident that my remarks are right on the mark..... When we first got to Hawaii, and we were sitting in the USO, on the floor right inside the door, the first thing I heard was some local girl talking to her friend about how much she hated all these stupid tourists who came to Hawaii and tried to do the Hula and stuff, "leave my culture alone...blah blah blah..". I found out that there are Hula teachers in the islands who refuse to teach Hula to anyone BUT Hawaiians. (How's that for racism) During our in-briefing, we were specifically told to stay away from Waianae and why. We were also told to not start trouble with the locals b/c military men getting beat up by locals in Waikiki and other places was a problem. (I can't tell you how many news reports I saw during the 3 years I was there concerning this)

I was there when a large portion of locals was so upset about some white kid being let into an "Hawaiian only" school (yes, that was a REAL discriminatory LAW, Hawaiians ONLY), that they picketed in the streets and then lined up to the entrance of the school to intimidate the child (maybe you or someone you know was one of the ones who SPAT on the child, I dunno??? I hope not.)

There's the time Amanda, a girl in my section, was approached and harrased b/c she had stopped on a beach in Waianae to play her guitar. She was all alone, and was still harrassed by SEVERAL locals and told to get off "their" beach.

THEN, there was my SGT and friend who was black and came in crying almost every day for several months b/c her kids were being BEAT UP for BEING BLACK in school!! Where did they go to school??? You guessed it!! Waianae!! They were told to leave "their" school, and teased about their cornrows. The final straw was when her son, who was very small for his age, btw, was held by two kids while two others punched him. The principal did NOTHING!! She had to send her kids back to the mainland to stay with family until she left the island.

We knew several local families from our church, and we loved them, but even they caught themselves talking about "Haoles" (you know that racist word for white people/anyone that doesn't have YOUR skin color that Hawaiians use...I'm sure you've used it...) in front of us. We were also told several times that the reason why so many locals couldn't afford to rent/own nice places was b/c of the militray and our BAH and... "all these rich Haole's coming down here and invading our lands..."

I have no idea what things are like in Kahalu'u. I didn't live there or lknow anyone from that particular area. If you don't know that your island, and your culture, is really doing bad on the education front, then I'm sorry...I guess you can't fix it if you don't know it's broken. In general I loved the Hawaiian culture and its people, but that doesn't mean I didn't see the many problems that it had. Heck, one of the top priorities of our church down there was to reach out to the youth and get them to quit doing drugs and stay in school. Most of the locals know it's a problem....

You cannot sit here and call me racist and say that I'm pulling this stuff out of my ***. I have eyes and common sense and I saw the way local kids/teenagers behaved down there. All of them didn't act that way, but noone criticizes them for it either, b/c all the locals stick together. So, like I said, you probably just don't see it b/c you are part of the problem.

 

[mom2my3kids]

Being from Hawaii, and being Hawaiian, then you should know what I'm talking about when I say Waianae is a bad area.....either that, or you are part of the problem and/or in denial. My comments are NOT racist. I did not say that EVERY Hawaiian local was like this, b/c having known many locals, I KNOW that they are not. When I say local I mean people who live in Hawaii; Samoan, Hawaiian, Filipino, WHATEVER, I could gove a crap about their skin color....

As far as ignorant.....I'm pretty confident that my remarks are right on the mark..... When we first got to Hawaii, and we were sitting in the USO, on the floor right inside the door, the first thing I heard was some local girl talking to her friend about how much she hated all these stupid tourists who came to Hawaii and tried to do the Hula and stuff, "leave my culture alone...blah blah blah..". I found out that there are Hula teachers in the islands who refuse to teach Hula to anyone BUT Hawaiians. (How's that for racism) During our in-briefing, we were specifically told to stay away from Waianae and why. We were also told to not start trouble with the locals b/c military men getting beat up by locals in Waikiki and other places was a problem. (I can't tell you how many news reports I saw during the 3 years I was there concerning this)

I was there when a large portion of locals was so upset about some white kid being let into an "Hawaiian only" school (yes, that was a REAL discriminatory LAW, Hawaiians ONLY), that they picketed in the streets and then lined up to the entrance of the school to intimidate the child (maybe you or someone you know was one of the ones who SPAT on the child, I dunno??? I hope not.)

There's the time Amanda, a girl in my section, was approached and harrased b/c she had stopped on a beach in Waianae to play her guitar. She was all alone, and was still harrassed by SEVERAL locals and told to get off "their" beach.

THEN, there was my SGT and friend who was black and came in crying almost every day for several months b/c her kids were being BEAT UP for BEING BLACK in school!! Where did they go to school??? You guessed it!! Waianae!! They were told to leave "their" school, and teased about their cornrows. The final straw was when her son, who was very small for his age, btw, was held by two kids while two others punched him. The principal did NOTHING!! She had to send her kids back to the mainland to stay with family until she left the island.

We knew several local families from our church, and we loved them, but even they caught themselves talking about "Haoles" (you know that racist word for white people/anyone that doesn't have YOUR skin color that Hawaiians use...I'm sure you've used it...) in front of us. We were also told several times that the reason why so many locals couldn't afford to rent/own nice places was b/c of the militray and our BAH and... "all these rich Haole's coming down here and invading our lands..."

I have no idea what things are like in Kahalu'u. I didn't live there or lknow anyone from that particular area. If you don't know that your island, and your culture, is really doing bad on the education front, then I'm sorry...I guess you can't fix it if you don't know it's broken. In general I loved the Hawaiian culture and its people, but that doesn't mean I didn't see the many problems that it had. Heck, one of the top priorities of our church down there was to reach out to the youth and get them to quit doing drugs and stay in school. Most of the locals know it's a problem....

You cannot sit here and call me racist and say that I'm pulling this stuff out of my ***. I have eyes and common sense and I saw the way local kids/teenagers behaved down there. All of them didn't act that way, but noone criticizes them for it either, b/c all the locals stick together. So, like I said, you probably just don't see it b/c you are part of the problem.

Years back, ohhh about 14 years ago my best friend and her husband came to the island. He was a marine, she told me some of the same stories.. Surprised me You don't think of bad area's when you think of Hawaii..

 

[Mkrop]

And Princess Michelle commented on the the team from Baltimore as well. I did not feel her comments were anything but her personal experiences from living in both Hawaii and Maryland. I think every state has areas that are problems with gangs, poverty and violence.

 

[nataliela]

Your remarks about Hawaiian locals are really ignorant and racist. Do you know the ethnicity of any of the kids involved or are you assuming things? And for that matter, does it make any difference whether these kids were Samoan, Hawaiian, Filipino, or is it simply that you assume that they are dark-skinned and therefore troublemakers?

What's your stereotype about Kahalu'u?

For the record, I live in Hawaii, am Hawaiian (therefore dark skinned), and think that Disney did the right thing (although I tilt a little to making the families leave in the morning, rather than right away). I was pretty pleased that the discussion thread was staying where it should--about personal responsibility, parents/adults supervising kids, that sort of thing. But of course, there's a Princess in every crowd.

My interpretation from Princess Michelle was that the school was from a bad area of that island. I did not read anything that stated the race, color, ethnicity, religion, anything from that statement. She did not personally attack any one student’s orgin.

Its like saying the 9th ward in New Orleans is a bad area. Its common knowledge, nothing to do with the race of people who live there.

 

[disney100666]

I must be the only one that disagrees. I think only the people involved should be kicked out. Why hold good people accountable for the bad few out there. I would be so mad if i was minding my business and because someone on my DD or DS team got in a fight and we were woking up in the middle of the night and kicked out.

 

[Princess_Michelle]

Years back, ohhh about 14 years ago my best friend and her husband came to the island. He was a marine, she told me some of the same stories.. Surprised me You don't think of bad area's when you think of Hawaii..

I didn't either. When we moved there, the poverty was one of the first things that I noticed, b/c I just wasn't expecting it.

And Princess Michelle commented on the the team from Baltimore as well. I did not feel her comments were anything but her personal experiences from living in both Hawaii and Maryland. I think every state has areas that are problems with gangs, poverty and violence.

Thank You.

My interpretation from Princess Michelle was that the school was from a bad area of that island. I did not read anything that stated the race, color, ethnicity, religion, anything from that statement. She did not personally attack any one student’s orgin.

Its like saying the 9th ward in New Orleans is a bad area. Its common knowledge, nothing to do with the race of people who live there.

I was born and raised in Metairie, LA. So I know all about the 9th ward too...

I think one reason why kids in these poorer areas have this "It wasn't my fault" mentality is b/c of the way their parents raise them. Everytime anyone notices the negative aspects of their culture, they get all defensive and start calling people a racist, or they blame it on rich people, white people, black people, hispanic people, etc.; whatever it takes to place all responisibility onto other people.

ETA: This doesn't just happen in inner cities. I spent my middle/high school years in a very rural mountain town of GA. There were/are lots of people who live in poverty there too, but they are all white. (The whole area is white, and generally very racist, a lot like being stuck in the 60's...) But, you came to expect the same attitudes and behavior from them too, they blamed all their problems on minorities, were quick to start a fight, and generally just not very well behaved. It doesn't matter what race the people are. It comes down to the way they are raised and their education. High poverty areas are notorious for poor education which results in more crime and violence. Having seen this formula at work in several places, concerning all races, is where I got my "assumptions" from. I wasn't being racist.

 

[disneykid4ever]

I was born and raised in Hawaii and have lived there most of my life, until just recently. Growing up there, as anywhere, you get to know the areas that are considered "rough" based on socioeconomic status, drug activity, homelessness, unemployment, violent crime, etc . . . Waianae is just one of a few areas considered to be "rough", but "touristy" Waikiki can be too (mostly at night). And it isn't always locals who start conflicts, drunk military guys do their share of mouthing off, trust me. With that said, I don't think Princess was being racist; she was just going by the warnings she was given. Living in Hawaii, all you have to do is watch the news to get a feel for where things are happening on a regular basis. That set aside, I don't think what occured at WDW with the Pop Warner thing had much to do with where the kids were from, underpriveleged or not; it had everything to do with parents/counselors/chaperones, whatever you want to call them, setting the expectations for the trip and then keeping a close eye on the kids. They should have approached this trip with set rules and consequences that were distinctly outlined to the kids beforehand and then the adults should have had curfew for the kids, bedchecks, etc . . . to make sure kids were where they should be at different times. And when in group situations, around other players or WDW guests, the kids should have been told to be on their best behavior, no exceptions. It comes down to respect, responsibility, and control. Players and parents both should have exercised each of these. I applaud the way Disney handled the situation.

 

[grlpwrd]

Your remarks about Hawaiian locals are really ignorant and racist. Do you know the ethnicity of any of the kids involved or are you assuming things? And for that matter, does it make any difference whether these kids were Samoan, Hawaiian, Filipino, or is it simply that you assume that they are dark-skinned and therefore troublemakers?

What's your stereotype about Kahalu'u?

For the record, I live in Hawaii, am Hawaiian (therefore dark skinned), and think that Disney did the right thing (although I tilt a little to making the families leave in the morning, rather than right away). I was pretty pleased that the discussion thread was staying where it should--about personal responsibility, parents/adults supervising kids, that sort of thing. But of course, there's a Princess in every crowd.

Do I know you? lol .. I graduated from the only school for Hawaiian kids in the 80s.

I was there when a large portion of locals was so upset about some white kid being let into an "Hawaiian only" school (yes, that was a REAL discriminatory LAW, Hawaiians ONLY), that they picketed in the streets and then lined up to the entrance of the school to intimidate the child (maybe you or someone you know was one of the ones who SPAT on the child, I dunno??? I hope not.)

This indicates to me that maybe you don't totally know Hawaii like you think you do and/or there are some inaccuracies. I graduated from that school and it is a private trust. Please get your facts straight before you say untruths. They have gone to court and still do in order to preserve and carryout the legal will of Ke Ali'i Pauahi (Bernice Pauahi Bishop was royalty and she married a Caucasian man - no racism there! Just trying to take care of her people because population was dwindling). Remember, the school is a private trust and they do not have to follow the same laws that public schools do.

The people from my school have never ever intimidated that student. Do you have any proof??? Were you there? There was even an article on those students who got in and they were treated okay by the kids and staff. I have my contacts there.

Oh, and about teaching hula... I think you should know that I teach kids hula here in Virginia. It is not Hawaiian style to teach this way, though. Traditionally, the kumu hula ("hula teacher') handpicks the student. (I was handpicked by Genoa Keawe when I was younger.) Again, please do some research first.

I think we have crossed paths before on this board. Who would have thought a keiki 'o ka 'aina ("child of the land") like me would love DIS, huh? lol....From your tone and from you what you post about, though, I do think you are being racist and ignorant which is no different than those you have mentioned who do the same. I get the feeling you think those kids from Hawaii were hoodlums and started the trouble. Auwe!

Anyways... I already posted on the resort board thread. I think what Disney did was the right thing because I believe in the no tolerance rule. I have relatives in those areas in Hawaii, my brothers both played in Pop Warner when they were younger, and my dh lives in Baltimore. It is unfortunate that some people are making it a race/class/etc issue rather that a parenting and disciplining one.

It comes down to respect, responsibility, and control.

MTE!

 

[JPN4265]

From our local Orlando news (cfnews13) - wonder who will sue first :

A group of young athletes were kicked out of Walt Disney World in the middle of the night Saturday.

Disney made the decision to kick out three teams participating in the Pop Warner Superbowl competition --- two from Hawaii and one from Baltimore --- because of a fight between some of their athletes.

According to Disney, it is written into their policy for group packages that everyone will be forced to leave if even one member of the party is involved in a violent act on property.

However, parents said the way they were treated just wasn't right.

"They could have handled it so much better, you know? They really could have. They could have said look you know what? Fine, you guys have to leave in the morning. Then our babies. We have one year old, two year old, three year olds, that we had to just jerk out of bed and they were just crying. You know it was just a bad scene. It was really a bad scene," said Labryanna Kubo, a parent traveling with the Hawaii team.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office is still investigating the incident.

Good for Disney, if the parents can't or will not take responsibility for the kids, then they will suffer the raft of the MOUSE!!!! Send them home or to another Hotel. My guess..... The parents are worthless and should have the kids taken away from them.

 

[grlpwrd]

I'll probably get flamed for using my broad paint brush again, but oh well, here goes.....

I lived in Hawaii for 3 years, and then moved straight to the Baltmoire/DC Suburbs, and have been here for almost 3 years. Both Hawaii and Baltimore have high levels of poverty and atrocious schools. I knew of several parents in Hawaii who sent their kids back to the mainland to live with relatives b/c attending school there (even private, IF they could afford it) was so detrimental to their educations. Reading levels of Hawaiian students are consistently a few years behind those of average mainland schools... Also, one thing I will always remember about Hawaii is going to the Wal-Mart in Waipahu and noticing the kids that just run free, all over the store! You could walk in at 2 am any day of the week, (and we frequently did) and the place would be PACKED, and there would still be kids running around like chickens with their heads cut off!! You just got used to kids bumping into you while you shopped. The culture there is very different from "mainstream" culture. A vast majority of natives don't really push their kids to get an education, and there is a lot of gang issues with the "kids". My SGT had a lot of issues with her kids b/c they were black and went to a school in Waianae (HUGE native population, DO NOT like Haoles, [what they called us white folks] infringing on their turf); they were frequently harrassed and beat up and teased about being black. She got absolutely no help from the local school board or police. She ended up sending them to live with her family back on the mainland for the remainder of her time on island. It doesn't surprise me at all that there were Hawaiian kids who were unsupervised, or that they got into a violent fight, OR that the parents are placing the blame on others.

Inner City Baltimore is the same way and is known for having horrible crime levels. They also have huge issues with gangs and gang violence. It also doesn't surprise me, one bit, that kids from Baltimore were unsupervised, or got into a violent fight.

I am assuming, that the reason Disney took such drastic measures is b/c the fight was pretty violent and included many kids. I wouldn't be surprised if it was reported as "gang-like" violence. I wouldn't want anything resembling gang violence on my property, around families and young children for more than 30 minutes either. If you don't want to be ostracized, treated badly, or "discriminated" against; well, stop being a crappy parent and raise your kids up right.

Again, just the first thought that popped into my head, b/c of my experience with living in both areas....

Being from Hawaii, and being Hawaiian, then you should know what I'm talking about when I say Waianae is a bad area.....either that, or you are part of the problem and/or in denial. My comments are NOT racist. I did not say that EVERY Hawaiian local was like this, b/c having known many locals, I KNOW that they are not. When I say local I mean people who live in Hawaii; Samoan, Hawaiian, Filipino, WHATEVER, I could gove a crap about their skin color....

As far as ignorant.....I'm pretty confident that my remarks are right on the mark..... When we first got to Hawaii, and we were sitting in the USO, on the floor right inside the door, the first thing I heard was some local girl talking to her friend about how much she hated all these stupid tourists who came to Hawaii and tried to do the Hula and stuff, "leave my culture alone...blah blah blah..". I found out that there are Hula teachers in the islands who refuse to teach Hula to anyone BUT Hawaiians. (How's that for racism) During our in-briefing, we were specifically told to stay away from Waianae and why. We were also told to not start trouble with the locals b/c military men getting beat up by locals in Waikiki and other places was a problem. (I can't tell you how many news reports I saw during the 3 years I was there concerning this)

I was there when a large portion of locals was so upset about some white kid being let into an "Hawaiian only" school (yes, that was a REAL discriminatory LAW, Hawaiians ONLY), that they picketed in the streets and then lined up to the entrance of the school to intimidate the child (maybe you or someone you know was one of the ones who SPAT on the child, I dunno??? I hope not.)

There's the time Amanda, a girl in my section, was approached and harrased b/c she had stopped on a beach in Waianae to play her guitar. She was all alone, and was still harrassed by SEVERAL locals and told to get off "their" beach.

THEN, there was my SGT and friend who was black and came in crying almost every day for several months b/c her kids were being BEAT UP for BEING BLACK in school!! Where did they go to school??? You guessed it!! Waianae!! They were told to leave "their" school, and teased about their cornrows. The final straw was when her son, who was very small for his age, btw, was held by two kids while two others punched him. The principal did NOTHING!! She had to send her kids back to the mainland to stay with family until she left the island.

We knew several local families from our church, and we loved them, but even they caught themselves talking about "Haoles" (you know that racist word for white people/anyone that doesn't have YOUR skin color that Hawaiians use...I'm sure you've used it...) in front of us. We were also told several times that the reason why so many locals couldn't afford to rent/own nice places was b/c of the militray and our BAH and... "all these rich Haole's coming down here and invading our lands..."

I have no idea what things are like in Kahalu'u. I didn't live there or lknow anyone from that particular area. If you don't know that your island, and your culture, is really doing bad on the education front, then I'm sorry...I guess you can't fix it if you don't know it's broken. In general I loved the Hawaiian culture and its people, but that doesn't mean I didn't see the many problems that it had. Heck, one of the top priorities of our church down there was to reach out to the youth and get them to quit doing drugs and stay in school. Most of the locals know it's a problem....

You cannot sit here and call me racist and say that I'm pulling this stuff out of my ***. I have eyes and common sense and I saw the way local kids/teenagers behaved down there. All of them didn't act that way, but noone criticizes them for it either, b/c all the locals stick together. So, like I said, you probably just don't see it b/c you are part of the problem.

Hmmm, sounds racist and stereotypical to me? From your posts, I got the impression we are uneducated, wild, racist, gang thugs, and problematic. Wait, you're saying both teams are and that they are probably both about gang activities. Wow, I didn't know that you personally knew these kids.

Some of the stuff that you mention does and still happen, but Hawaii is not immune to the ills of the world, unfortunately. There are stupid people everywhere. lol (I was going to use a naughty word, but I don't want any trouble)