Disney Genie announcement

My question regarding Genie+ is...if you want to pay for it, do you have to get it for every person, for ever day of your tickets (kinda like the way the dining plan was), or can you just get it for your MK day if you wanted? I'm sure I'm not alone in not seeing a lot of value in it for an Epcot day.
 
I've been struggling with this internally since the announcement - absorbing posts, you tube vids, etc. Trying to rationalize it.. I don't post very often - just because most of the time what I would say has already been said or asked a thousand times.. This time I just feel I need to get this off my chest. We've been DVC owners for over 10 years. We look forward to our trips every year. Despite price increases well above cost of living (admission, food, etc), we want to come back. Despite cheapening of entertainment (or more recently elimination of), upcoming elimination of DME & free magic bands, we still look forward to our visits. Our enjoyment of the parks and our interaction with the CMs that have always been so overwhelming positive - up until now this has more than offset the negative changes. Now enter Genie..

Genie for me has tipped the scale where honestly I am for the first time not looking forward to our November trip and I cannot understand totally why. For me it's not a question of whether I could pay.... I refuse to pay it - out of Spite I guess. I'm afraid that I only will spite my family - and this is why I cannot understand my position other than the feeling that WDW takes the position of zero loyalty to returning guests/DVC owners, and only wants to fleece their golden sheep that are 1st time guests and/or the Disney enthusiasts will just pay whatever or just coming back regardless (and up until now I'd classify myself as the latter). I'm considering selling my DVC contract, but I'll make the final decision after our upcoming trip. I took some comfort that many others feel negative about Genie - but it won't change anything. This isnt like bringing back Grilled Shrimp or noodles at Ohana. They obviously plan to make millions per year on a new revenue source and will not be changing their minds in the short term. Whatever we decide, we'll never leave Disney with anything but great memories, but will likely look to make new memories at new places in the world where we never have been before. Seems like Disney is perfectly fine with this decision as at least for now, there are enough 1st time visitors that can line their pockets.
 
Genie for me has tipped the scale where honestly I am for the first time not looking forward to our November trip and I cannot understand totally why. For me it's not a question of whether I could pay.... I refuse to pay it - out of Spite I guess. I'm afraid that I only will spite my family - and this is why I cannot understand my position other than the feeling that WDW takes the position of zero loyalty to returning guests/DVC owners, and only wants to fleece their golden sheep that are 1st time guests and/or the Disney enthusiasts will just pay whatever or just coming back regardless (and up until now I'd classify myself as the latter). I'm considering selling my DVC contract, but I'll make the final decision after our upcoming trip. I took some comfort that many others feel negative about Genie - but it won't change anything. This isnt like bringing back Grilled Shrimp or noodles at Ohana. They obviously plan to make millions per year on a new revenue source and will not be changing their minds in the short term. Whatever we decide, we'll never leave Disney with anything but great memories, but will likely look to make new memories at new places in the world where we never have been before. Seems like Disney is perfectly fine with this decision as at least for now, there are enough 1st time visitors that can line their pockets.
Nailed it.

Of all the people, DVC are the ones this affects the most. They, for the most part, bought a "lifetime" contract to be on-site and Disney has basically wiped the slate clean of on-site benefits.

I'm not DVC, but we are renting points in November. The plan was to rent first and consider buying. Zero chance of that happening now. To be fair, the possibility went to 0 well before Genie was announced. I saw the writing on the wall for the direction they were going in regards to on-site benefits.
 
I work nights, so as it was slow I wrote a SECOND email, LOL. Again, long post, sorry!


I've already written once, detailing how I saw the Lightning Lane options playing out for our days in the parks. I'd like to share some of my more generalized takes on these changes.

1. The Genie granted wishes FOR FREE, AND IN THE END ALADDIN USED A WISH TO SET HIM FREE. This really feels like whoring out Robin Williams' memory. Sorry, but the Genie and Robin Williams are favorites of mine. I can't fathom either one being so greedy as to demand payment for their generosity. Disney has phenomenal magic powers, not to mention phenomenal banks of money - but the little people, the guests, need to keep paying and paying for things that used to be freely given in the Disney generosity of spirit.

2. Now, instead of planning ahead so I can RELAX WITH MY FAMILY in the parks, I will feel obligated to plan throughout the day, beginning at 0700. While on VACATION. AND PAY FOR THE "PRIVILEGE."

3. Now, when I buy a two-day park hopper for $346, to remain ahead of the pack like I could in the days of FastPass, I will have to pay $15 per day, $30 total. I then will also likely have to pay, let's say $20 per day, $40 total, to guarantee access to a popular ride without wasting 15-20% of my time in the park waiting in a 90+ minute line.

$346 is now magically $416, a 20% increase, for planning advantages from FastPass that were previously free. For my group of ten that's $700. We could do two fireworks cruises with that money. Dessert parties. Character meals. Trader Sam's. Mickey Balloons. Sit down meals as a family. Build droids or light sabers. It's killing me making this list. If I wasn't shelling out extra for these things, then shelling out that money for something that used to be FREE is just gross.

4. YOU should be paying ME to spend less time in line so that we could spend more money on food and shopping. Instead, now I am insulted and will ultimately spend less overall - not only to recoup the cost of Genie+ and Lightning Lane, but also to throw in a little "screw you" for making my park days less enjoyable. I take my dollars where I feel loved. I DO NOT LOVE worrying the entire time whether we will get to do most of what we want. I DO NOT LOVE using my phone to make a new decision every 20 minutes. I DO NOT LOVE paying extra for services that were previously free.

5. So should I solely use the free Genie app? I do think this piece could be extremely useful - for planning your days out ahead of time. I know this is intended to help the Disney planning novice or infrequent visitor. That's great! But why on earth did you have to add a paid component to it? Now, instead of this being seen as a lovely added benefit, it is overshadowed by the money grab. And, again, I would only find this useful ahead of time. It will just create more stress to use it while in the parks.

6. Speaking of the infrequent visitor, people who have to save for rare trips to Disney can not afford to leave their scarce and hard-earned vacation time and money purely up to chance *hoping* this new system works. What happens when Genie tells me at 9:30 that Splash Mountain has a 20-minute wait but by the time we trek over there it has inflated to 40? Will you reimburse me somehow for that wasted time and energy following bad advice? At least if I make the decision on my own there's no one to blame but myself. I predict you will have just as many complaints from people who can't or choose not to use the Genie app as you had complaints from people who didn't want to reserve their Fast Passes in advance. Some people just don't/won't/can't put in the work for a better experience. And either option requires work.

6. Perception is reality, and my perception is that you want 20% more money from me without providing 20% more magic. How about the Genie granting everyone three wishes in the form of three free fast passes every day? Oh, wait, you decided that was too much work and no fun.

The really sad part for me is knowing I'm stuck because I already promised my kids and grandkids this trip to Disney in November. I was so looking forward to it. Planning a trip for ten people is no joke. It is a labor of love. I've always felt a little foolish spending the kind of time and money I dedicate to planning a magical vacation. I've argued with people who've never been that they just don't understand - Disney magic is worth the money. Well. Maybe this proves them right. I feel betrayed. Is that extreme? I don't know. But that's how I feel.
 

Day of at 7AM if you are an on-site guest or once you are through the gates if an off-site guest or local.
So both the genie plus ones and if I pay for the 2 top tier rides? Logistically how is that going to work can u book the extra pay top tier ones at same time and also have genie plus ones going? So book 3 rides at 7am?
 
I've been struggling with this internally since the announcement - absorbing posts, you tube vids, etc. Trying to rationalize it.. I don't post very often - just because most of the time what I would say has already been said or asked a thousand times.. This time I just feel I need to get this off my chest. We've been DVC owners for over 10 years. We look forward to our trips every year. Despite price increases well above cost of living (admission, food, etc), we want to come back. Despite cheapening of entertainment (or more recently elimination of), upcoming elimination of DME & free magic bands, we still look forward to our visits. Our enjoyment of the parks and our interaction with the CMs that have always been so overwhelming positive - up until now this has more than offset the negative changes. Now enter Genie..

Genie for me has tipped the scale where honestly I am for the first time not looking forward to our November trip and I cannot understand totally why. For me it's not a question of whether I could pay.... I refuse to pay it - out of Spite I guess. I'm afraid that I only will spite my family - and this is why I cannot understand my position other than the feeling that WDW takes the position of zero loyalty to returning guests/DVC owners, and only wants to fleece their golden sheep that are 1st time guests and/or the Disney enthusiasts will just pay whatever or just coming back regardless (and up until now I'd classify myself as the latter). I'm considering selling my DVC contract, but I'll make the final decision after our upcoming trip. I took some comfort that many others feel negative about Genie - but it won't change anything. This isnt like bringing back Grilled Shrimp or noodles at Ohana. They obviously plan to make millions per year on a new revenue source and will not be changing their minds in the short term. Whatever we decide, we'll never leave Disney with anything but great memories, but will likely look to make new memories at new places in the world where we never have been before. Seems like Disney is perfectly fine with this decision as at least for now, there are enough 1st time visitors that can line their pockets.

Yup. me exactly. Same exact feeling as you. I keep cc’ing trips. At first it was cause of covid but I cx’ed my Xmas trip cause I don’t feel like making park reservations for parks that will be loaded with people anyway and now this. I have an April trip booked at Easter but I really might cx that also and I am going to rent out all my points for my 22 use year I think. I’m not selling the contract yet. I’ll rent points and make money and see what happens. My contract was payed in cash so I might as well rent points and pocket some money.
 
My question regarding Genie+ is...if you want to pay for it, do you have to get it for every person, for ever day of your tickets (kinda like the way the dining plan was), or can you just get it for your MK day if you wanted? I'm sure I'm not alone in not seeing a lot of value in it for an Epcot day.
There are two options. You can add it on as part of your trip package when you book your trip. This will add it on to every person for every day. OR you can add it on individually each day, this is done starting at midnight for the day you wish to use it. Doing it this way you can do it day by day and just for specific people.
 
Nailed it.

Of all the people, DVC are the ones this affects the most. They, for the most part, bought a "lifetime" contract to be on-site and Disney has basically wiped the slate clean of on-site benefits.

I'm not DVC, but we are renting points in November. The plan was to rent first and consider buying. Zero chance of that happening now. To be fair, the possibility went to 0 well before Genie was announced. I saw the writing on the wall for the direction they were going in regards to on-site benefits.
I always love seeing how everyone can have such different opinions. Genie hasn't really tipped the scale one way or the other for me, but I started seriously looking at buying DVC about a year ago, and that interest has grown considerably in the last couple months.
 
I didn't read all 77 pages of comments, but this reminds me of the uproar when resort parking fees were added. So many people were upset, threatened to not stay on property ever again, to never go to WDW again... in the end, resort parking fees are still here and people are still paying for them. After all of the screaming and moaning ends, people will pay for this, as well.
 
My question regarding Genie+ is...if you want to pay for it, do you have to get it for every person, for ever day of your tickets (kinda like the way the dining plan was), or can you just get it for your MK day if you wanted?
Only if you choose to purchase Genie+ as part of your package then it would follow the rules as your package vs a daily option to add Disney+ beginning at 12 AM on your park day.

Dave
 
I didn't read all 77 pages of comments, but this reminds me of the uproar when resort parking fees were added. So many people were upset, threatened to not stay on property ever again, to never go to WDW again... in the end, resort parking fees are still here and people are still paying for them. After all of the screaming and moaning ends, people will pay for this, as well.

This is different for me. Again not sure exactly why because we've been fleeced before... This is the first time I've ever felt this way, and I'm guessing there are some others here too. All I can say is that if it remains as advertised, I will NOT be buying into Genie Plus. If I'm the minority - fine.. call me stubborn - fine... others can do what they want and I'm not going to try to convince them otherwise.... We'll see if I can deal without it in November, and if I cannot, if Luv2cheer hasnt bought into DVC yet, there may be a BCV one coming to market.....
 
There are two options. You can add it on as part of your trip package when you book your trip. This will add it on to every person for every day. OR you can add it on individually each day, this is done starting at midnight for the day you wish to use it. Doing it this way you can do it day by day and just for specific people.
Great now I have to stay up to midnight to add it and get up at 7 am to use it. Lol. This keeps getting better and better.
 
I agree. Parking fees are a nuisance, but also avoidable.

Genie+, while avoidable, could severely put you at a disadvantage in the parks if you don't buy it. It may become a requirement, down the road, to ensure you're able to feel like the rest of the $1000s or $10,000s you spent, was "worth it".

Yup - exactly... and the fact that they just expect we will pay for it is quite honestly insulting.
 












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