Disney Dream and Fuel!

[suncup1225]

I read that it costs about a million dollars to fill the fuel tanks of the Disney Dream...does anyone know how often they have to fill the tanks?

 

[maria-fan-22]

Maybe once a week? They can guess when to fill it up, but I would would even guess that they fill them up each time they are at PC and never let them get too empty.

 

[izzinmac]

I'm sure some of our nautical experts have the real answer, but my guess is that figure is a full fill up from empty. I bet they only refuel what they need to get them to the next planned refuel location, plus a safety reserve. I don't imagine they want to carry around all the dead weight of excess fuel.

 

[trip11]

I attended the session on building the Dream while onboard. They fill the tank about once every 2 weeks and they did say it costs $1 million to fill-up.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I'm sure some of our nautical experts have the real answer, but my guess is that figure is a full fill up from empty. I bet they only refuel what they need to get them to the next planned refuel location, plus a safety reserve. I don't imagine they want to carry around all the dead weight of excess fuel.

Your pretty well on the mark....they never fill all the tanks (yes tanks, I would guess anywhere from 8 to 16 tanks of various sizes). They also have various types of fuel......heavy fuel oil, (the black stuff), high sulfur and heavy fuel oil low sulfer, MDO, which is marine diesel oil.

The main fuel is Heavy fuel oil, high sulfur. Teh low sulfer is more expensive and is usually used only when local laws require it.

They know where they are going each trip and when and where they next expect to refuel (they likely refuel in the same place, but costs and availability may change that)...take that figuire and add a extra amount for storms, delays etc.and the other safety amount every Chief Engineers has hidden away in the books.

The most embarasing thing for a Chief engineer to to run out of GAS!

AKK

 

[king kamehameha]

Do they have to pay the attendant first?

 

[kcashner]

Interesting...On the Magic they announce that they are refueling each time the ship arrives in PC--during refueling operations there is no smoking on the ship. Obviously, they also make an announcement when they have completed the process.

They also said that the ship averages 80 feet per gallon of fuel used! It does vary slightly based on speed.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Do they have to pay the attendant first?

They sure do,but you should see the size of the debit card.*tongue very in cheek*

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Interesting...On the Magic they announce that they are refueling each time the ship arrives in PC--during refueling operations there is no smoking on the ship. Obviously, they also make an announcement when they have completed the process.

They also said that the ship averages 80 feet per gallon of fuel used! It does vary slightly based on speed.

What we called jumboized 2T tankers, about 30,000 tons has a turbo elect steam plant (engine), we averaged 1 barrel of heavy fuel to the mile!

There is 42 gallons to the mile and about 6.5 barrels to the metric ton (and I am not sure on the cost, so anyone who knows speak up) and each metric ton is about $650.00.

SO.......if the Magic get 80 feet to the gallon......thats 3,360 feet to the barrel or about 3.6 nautical mile to the metric ton..........dam this is getting expensive!

So a 3 or 4 day cruise is about +/- 1500 nautical miles or about 417 metric tons of heavy fuel or $270,000.00 for a short cruise.!

On top of that they are burning fuel for electrical service ,,,the boiler for steam/ heat...etc.

Please note those are very rough figures!

I bet you folks will be running these figuires in your heads the next time your filling the family car!

AKK

PS Speed will make a big difference in consuption/costs......that why the ship take their time form Nassua to CC.

 

[truck1]

when they used to have the bridge tour,on the Magic and Wonder, I asked one of the officers how much fuel the ships carried, but I dont remeber off hand the amount. I do remember that the bridge officer at the time had to take out a calculator to do the conversion into gallons. i want to say it was in the 6 figure range (in gallons, but cant swear to it)

 

[EPCOTatNight]

I wonder how much revenue a 3 day cruise generates and how much they spend if that's the cost of just the fuel.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

when they used to have the bridge tour,on the Magic and Wonder, I asked one of the officers how much fuel the ships carried, but I dont remeber off hand the amount. I do remember that the bridge officer at the time had to take out a calculator to do the conversion into gallons. i want to say it was in the 6 figure range (in gallons, but cant swear to it)

Hey there Truck!


I am guessing here but I would say about 2000 metric tons X @6.5 bbls to the MT X 42 gallons to the bbl = 546,000 gallons

At 80' per gallon= 7,253 nautical mile (6,022') per fill up!

Again theses figures are rough guess work.

AKK

 

[peachygreen]

I wonder how much revenue a 3 day cruise generates and how much they spend if that's the cost of just the fuel.

Well if you look at the $270,0000 estimate above for a 3 night cruise and divide that by 4000 you get $67.50 per person in fuel costs. At the lowest 3 night cruise price I see right now of $900 (cruise price only) for 2 you would need to fill 300 cabins to fill up the tank. Now add staff (that has to be there if the ship is full or not), food and entertainment + wear and tear on the ship and you can quickly see why they would want to fill the cabins.

 

[onecoolpilot]

I wonder how much revenue a 3 day cruise generates and how much they spend if that's the cost of just the fuel.

3 day Bahamas cruise on the Dream, 12/1/2013, Cat 11C is $1060 with out fees and taxes. Multiply that by 1250 staterooms, would be $1.325 million.
That would be if every room were 11C. Since the price goes up (way up in some cases) by category, they're bringing in quite a chunk of cash. I would imagine they still get quite the profit even after all the overhead is satisfied.

***Edit: Peachy beat me to to it.

 

[Buckeye218]

One thing you NEVER have to worry about is whether Disney is making a profit on any given business venture. That is a given. Even if they report an operating loss for a particular business line, that only means they're not making as much money as they wanted to.

 

[UmmGooD]

One thing you NEVER have to worry about is whether Disney is making a profit on any given business venture. That is a given. Even if they report an operating loss for a particular business line, that only means they're not making as much money as they wanted to.

Last time I checked an operating loss is an operating loss not a profit.

When you consider staff costs, ship maintenance, ship payments (I am guessing they didn't buy them outright but I could be wrong), food costs, plus some obscene executive salaries I wonder what their profit margin is just for DCL.

 

[Buckeye218]

Last time I checked an operating loss is an operating loss not a profit.

When you consider staff costs, ship maintenance, ship payments (I am guessing they didn't buy them outright but I could be wrong), food costs, plus some obscene executive salaries I wonder what their profit margin is just for DCL.

You apparently missed the tongue-in-cheek tone of my post.

 

[UmmGooD]

You apparently missed the tongue-in-cheek tone of my post.

haha Sorry I am dense

 

[Buckeye218]

haha Sorry I am dense

It's all good....just havin' fun on a Friday.

 

[WeLoveDisneyAlways]

I watch the discovery channel show "mighty ships" and they say for every hour a cruise ship is late departing a port it cost roughly $40 000 in fuel from having to speed up to make up time