"Disney doesn't know if it's child or adult credit"

[Sammie]

This is getting a bit silly....

It is not 'stealing' unless Disney says it is stealing.

In the DDP brochure and in practice they have clearly stated it is NOT stealing. All credits are pooled and you can you use them as you wish.

To me this is black and white and the folks who claim it is immoral and stealing are just plain wrong according to all the clear evidence.

Dave O.

I am not sure stealing is the accurate word, more a loophole that at this time has not been closed. I won't get into the whys, I know why, but many are not interested in change, so I will keep that info to myself. I would hate to be accussed of posting something that is not accurate. Even though I was told this by Dining management and not Net hearsay.

However one must ask if there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, why can't a child order from the adult menu, if an adult can use a child's credit and do that exact thing.

 

[mickman1962]

However one must ask if there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, why can't a child order from the adult menu, if an adult can use a child's credit and do that exact thing.

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, logic will get you nowhere with the people here who like to "maximize" the use of the plan.

 

[mickman1962]

One more thing. Can people stop putting "forced to buy" in their posts. No one is forcing you to do anything, if the plan doesn't suit your needs, don't use it.

 

[Pedler]

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, logic will get you nowhere with the people here who like to "maximize" the use of the plan.

Actually logic will get you somewhere. It just that you have to accept the logic that if Disney allows the use of the plan in this manner and also encourages the use of the plan in this manner then logically it is an acceptable use of the plan.

The problem is with the definition of acceptable. For some the definition of acceptable is what the vendor allows and encourages in the implementation of the plan given. Even sammie agrees that this is not stealing, at worst he calls it a loophole. For yourself acceptable is whatever you definite to be. In this case you can not see any way that Disney would let someone pay 12.00 for a days worth of credits and have an adult use them . Regardless of the overwhelming evidence that Disney has defined this as acceptable behavior you have choosen to believe that there is no scenario that this could be acceptable. Even if you accept that Disney does allow and encourage this behavior you still feel it is wrong and that your definition of what is the corect sue of the plan should supersede what Disney has determined is the correct use of the plan. In essence you have made up a rule that in your mind defines your view of the plan as logical even though the rule you made up does not exist in the real world.

So in essence both sides are being logical. Those using the rules that actually exist and are implemented are being logical in thier definition of the plan. Yourself on the other hand using a rule that only exists in your mind is being logical in determining that your view of the use of the plan is wrong. Of course the former are dealing with the real world and you are dealing with rules that you have made up.

 

[mickman1962]

At least I can admit to being a broken record. You do not use logic, you use rationalizations, there is a big difference. You have reposted your point on every similar posts for months without once giving verifiable proof from the Disney Corporation, not some lowly CM, that they "encourage this behavior". Letting someone get away with something is not the same as encouraging. For the record, I'll love to hear your logical response to sammies question.

However one must ask if there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, why can't a child order from the adult menu, if an adult can use a child's credit and do that exact thing?

 

[Pedler]

At least I can admit to being a broken record. You do not use logic, you use rationalizations, there is a big difference. You have reposted your point on every similar posts for months without once giving verifiable proof from the Disney Corporation, not some lowly CM, that they "encourage this behavior". Letting someone get away with something is not the same as encouraging. For the record, I'll love to hear your logical response to sammies question.

However one must ask if there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, why can't a child order from the adult menu, if an adult can use a child's credit and do that exact thing?

I am working from the assumption that credits are pooled (as is defined in the brochure and implemented in practice.) and may be used by in anyway possible except for the defined limitations.

One such limitation that is explicitly defined in the rules is that if a child is using a dinning credit then the child must order from the children's menu. That is definied as a rule by Disney.

The difference between our broken records is that I am willing to deal with explicitly defined rules and the implementation of the plan as definied by managers at restuarants and not just "lowly CM's". You are whole basis for for your view is that you can not see any way that Disney would let this happen therefore, regardless of the lack of a rule forbidding it and in the face of overwhelming evidence of the implementation you still believe that there is now way this should be allowed.

As for not having specific documentation of this feature of the plan I don't expect Disney to define everything that you can do with the plan. Most of the rules in our society are defined by what you can't do not what you can do. I also do not have anything explicity from Disney that says you can use a TS credit for a CS meal but it is allowed and an acceptable use of a TS credit. Since there isn't anything explicitly allowing this use I assume that you find the use of a TS credit for a CS meal unacceptable? Or is it that anything that provides a cost benefit to Disney is accceptable and anything that provides a cost benefit to the consumer is unacceptable?

 

[bstnsprts]

Both Mickey's Halloween and Christmas Party Ticket's state that admission begins at 7PM. But Disney, the same disney that allows pooling of dining credits, allows you to enter at 4PM. Using the same logic, people that take advantage of this early entry must be stealing also. Paid for party between 7PM and 12AM, entered park at 4PM with party ticket, THIEFS! So how many of you people that think credit poolers are thiefs and have no morals, will be in that 4PM line to steal three hours of park admission from Disney?

 

[BlondeAlligator]

To Pedler:

 

[mickman1962]

Both Mickey's Halloween and Christmas Party Ticket's state that admission begins at 7PM. But Disney, the same disney that allows pooling of dining credits, allows you to enter at 4PM. Using the same logic, people that take advantage of this early entry must be stealing also. Paid for party between 7PM and 12AM, entered park at 4PM with party ticket, THIEFS! So how many of you people that think credit poolers are thiefs and have no morals, will be in that 4PM line to steal three hours of park admission from Disney?

OK, I'll play your game. How many people think that paying $35.95 for a child's (3-9) admission to the party and using it for an adult ($45.75) would be OK?

My vote is no.

 

[bstnsprts]

OK, I'll play your game. How many people think that paying $35.95 for a child's (3-9) admission to the party and using it for an adult ($45.75) would be OK?

My vote is no.

Different game, Disney does not allow this, Disney does however allow early admision at hard ticket events and pooling of dining credits. You didn't answer my question. Will you enter the park at 4PM when you only paid to enter at 7PM?

 

[mickman1962]

actually no, I like to spend my afternoons at the resort pool, having a beer or two.

 

[bstnsprts]

actually no, I like to spend my afternoons at the resort pool, having a beer or two.

Are you using a refillable mug for those beers? Just kidding, sounds like my idea on how to spend a afternoon in Disney. See you by the pool.

 

[mickman1962]

If you could use the refillable mugs for beer I would never leave the resort.

 

[jessica52877]

I still disagree. I would go as far as to call it discrimination to say that a person that eats animals has more of a right to the ddp than one that does not. There are many, many vegetarians out there, and to not offer a single entree is perfectly ridiculous. I mean seriously, how difficult is it to fix up a kids version of the adult veggie burger meal. I'm not asking for much...a simple veggie burger and we're content. That's more than I can say for most vegetarians. I'm not trying to start anything big here, I'm just saying that Disney needs to realize that vegetarians come in all ages.

I would assume disney is more then happy to accomdate any one need for a child. They are very willing and probably would slap a veggie burger on the plate instead of regular. Wonders happen if you ask.

I do not feel their kids menus are great. My son does not eat like a normal child (he is 3). He eats regular food that I serve at meals and that does NOT include hot dogs, chicken nuggets and macaroni and cheese. But I know my choices when I purchase the plan and accept it as that! We give him veggies and fruit off of our plates or get a snack with it.

 

[Lewisc]

It's not a bad question BUT it's irrelevant to this discussion. You'd have to ask Disney that question.

Let's assume a family splits up some days. Are you suggesting they have to keep a record as to how many TS meals were child meals? Disney doesn't keep track of it. The system just keeps track of the totals. The last night of the vacation the parents put the kids in one of the kids clubs and goes to a signature restaurant. The server asks if they're using MYW Dining, they say yes and 4 credits will be debited from their TS account. Tell the server you only have 2 adult TS credits and the server will look at you like you have two heads.

You want an answer to your question or was it Sammies question?

I'll speculate that Disney intended this flexibility to be used when kids skip meals; kids club, kids having a CS meal for dinner or young kids sharing from the adults plate. The flexibility is easier than providing for refunds of unused credits or having upcharges to tradeup "child" credits for adult meals.

I'll also speculate and agree that Disney doesn't intend that greedy guests would refuse to "waste" credits on kids meals and would pay out of pocket for all their kids meals. The language in the brochure says Disney can charge credits for all guests at character, signature and dinner show TS meals. That supports my theory.

At least I can admit to being a broken record. You do not use logic, you use rationalizations, there is a big difference. You have reposted your point on every similar posts for months without once giving verifiable proof from the Disney Corporation, not some lowly CM, that they "encourage this behavior". Letting someone get away with something is not the same as encouraging. For the record, I'll love to hear your logical response to sammies question.

However one must ask if there is absolutely nothing wrong with this, why can't a child order from the adult menu, if an adult can use a child's credit and do that exact thing?

 

[Lewisc]

If you could use the refillable mugs for beer I would never leave the resort.

The week before I stayed at the BC one of the bartenders was filling the refillable mugs with adult blender drinks. I hope he got good tips.

 

[BlondeAlligator]

One more thing. Can people stop putting "forced to buy" in their posts. No one is forcing you to do anything, if the plan doesn't suit your needs, don't use it.

For the record, I never said Disney was forcing me to buy the plan. If you want the plan for the 6 adults in the villa, though, they do force you to buy it for the one child in the group as well. So in order for my adult family members to enjoy the convenience of being on the only dining plan Disney now offers, I MUST buy it for my child who may or may not be able to find safe foods to eat, depending on where we go. Pooling the credits only seems fair.

If Disney doesn't have a problem credit pooling, why do you?

 

[jessica52877]

Different game, Disney does not allow this, Disney does however allow early admision at hard ticket events and pooling of dining credits. You didn't answer my question. Will you enter the park at 4PM when you only paid to enter at 7PM?

I have always entered at 7 and a bit disappointed to see you can enter at 4. Why is this not advertised on the ticket? or elsewhere. We plan according to enter at 7 and make the most of our time. I will say I am skipping this year due to I think it is too much for such a short amount of time. If it was advertised as 4 pm then I might think different.

I will add I think it is wrong to purposely use a child credit for an adult. No ifs and or buts. I am sure disney allows it in some circumstances but that should be a special circumstance only. Just because they can't determine which is which doesn't give us the right to take advantage.

 

[Pedler]

It's not a bad question BUT it's irrelevant to this discussion. You'd have to ask Disney that question.

Let's assume a family splits up some days. Are you suggesting they have to keep a record as to how many TS meals were child meals? Disney

What, doesn't everyone bring thier wireless PDA's to Disney to track credits and expenditures?

I'll speculate that Disney intended this flexibility to be used when kids skip meals; kids club, kids having a CS meal for dinner or young kids sharing from the adults plate. The flexibility is easier than providing for refunds of unused credits or having upcharges to tradeup "child" credits for adult meals.

I'll also speculate and agree that Disney doesn't intend that greedy guests would refuse to "waste" credits on kids meals and would pay out of pocket for all their kids meals. The language in the brochure says Disney can charge credits for all guests at character, signature and dinner show TS meals. That supports my theory.

This is probably the best estimate of what the intent of the plan is. I think the flexibility is there for the occasional use of adults of credits purchased at an adult price but I don't think the intent was to let people engage in wholesale use of the plan and never "waste" a credit on a kids meal.

Still regardless of the intent I don't think that people that do use all the credits and on adults and none on kids are stealing, violating the plan or otherwise engaging in illicit behavior. I personally wouldn't do this and I would wonder about someone that did engage in this behavior but they are not doing anything that violates the plan.

Unfortunately for Disney if you are in for a penny you are in for a pound when it comes to the pooling of credits. I can't see logistically how they would allow just the occasional pooling of credits. Still I would think that the wholesale use of credits in this manner is very far and few between. I would guess that most of the use of pooled credits is for adults to go to a signature meal or to stretch the credits to an extra TS meal or two. That it appears is fine with Disney.

 

[mickman1962]

I will add I think it is wrong to purposely use a child credit for an adult. No ifs and or buts. I am sure disney allows it in some circumstances but that should be a special circumstance only. Just because they can't determine which is which doesn't give us the right to take advantage.

Exactly, my problem is with people who state "Disney allows the use of the plan in this manner and also encourages the use of the plan in this manner".

Are they letting you "get away" with something, probably.
Are they "encouraging" you to do it, I doubt it.