Disney and dying.

[North of Mouse]

And set off all the Disers who flip out about bubbles in the park?

Being as this was mentioned, I don't know why most people don't like bubbles in the park, but my dh and I don't like them because we both have expensive cameras (his even more than mine) and you do NOT want soap on your camera lens OK back to your regular programing - this has been one of the strangest, most morbid threads I have lurked on in quite a while. I have to admit I have never even thought of such a thing as people actually trying to bring a loved ones ashes into Disney. Boy, am I ever naive This is one law of Disney that I will never break

 

[mad madam mim78]

Like someone said...I'm pretty sure no one is bringing a full on urn into the park. Maybe a little sprinkle. After I gave it some thought maybe tossing them off the back of the ferry boat into the lake. Harmless enough.

 

[North of Mouse]

Like someone said...I'm pretty sure no one is bringing a full on urn into the park. Maybe a little sprinkle. After I gave it some thought maybe tossing them off the back of the ferry boat into the lake. Harmless enough.

Unless the wind blows them back in my face

 

[MistressMerryweather]

Unless the wind blows them back in my face

I'd rather inhale a gust of someone's cremated meemah off the end of the ferry, then inhale a mist of nasty chemical-laden, carcinogen-filled sunscreen spray or second-hand cigarette smoke...which unfortunately is at least a thrice-a-day occurrence in Disney World.
I know it the idea of a cremated body skeeving a lot of people out, but really, it's just dust, dirt, ashes. From ashes to ashes, from dust to dust.
The reality is that we inhale a heap of harmful things everyday, by choice.
The priority just seems a little, off.

 

[Tinkerpeas hubby]

Putting ashes on/in the ground is damage to property. Putting ashes somewhere as to spoil the use of an attraction for others is causing harm.

A 'can't do' attitude? is that another way of saying, 'someone who won't agree with you about breaking the law'?

Even if it was there dying wish? Guess I was raised differently. So we can agree to disagree on that one.

What is your source that ashes causes damage to property?

 

[Tinkerpeas hubby]

I'm still trying to figure out how this is different from his attack on my character because I disagree with his opinion.

It's not your character that I was having a debate over, it was your opinion on the thread at hand.
Emphasise the word debate, when two opposing parties express their opinions and supporting evidence and try to weigh both ends of the opinion.
I don't mind if you have a difference of opinion, just need to appreciate there is another face to the coin.

One underaged drinking offence would not be justification to deport an individual, he/she would have had to committed previous offenses or due to their intoxication broke additional laws.
I asked a colleague of mine this morning, who joined the RAF two years ago, he used to be a Barrsiter, but decided on a career change.

 

[Tinkerpeas hubby]

But don't you understand? Pee and her hubby should get to do what they want.

Nevermind what is right, he is after all Royal Air force.


For anyone logical who would like to know Disney's OFFICAL answer-it is they do not allow ashes to be dumped at the parks/resorts. (Disney has even resorted to hepa filter vacumns to clean up the mess made by those who try. Nothing says "eternity" like spending the afterlife in an hepa filter)

Sadly I know Disney policy this first hand, they do not even make exceptions for MAW.

We have the mentality of if you don't ask, then your not going to get. Speaking from personal experience Disney has gone out of their way on a number of issues for my family. The customer service at Disney is top notch, that is one of the many reasons my wife and I work very hard to take our three boys back again and again.

As a member of the RAF, we live, sleep and breathe by a set of core values.
RISE, Respect, Integrity, Service, Excellence.
Sometimes there are situations when you can turn the other way, example:

If I happen to see an individual smoking in Disney in a non smoking zone, I would challenge that individual and let them know the error of their ways.
If I happen to see a party of mourners that were about to release 10 biodegradeable balloons, which are hand tied with no tails. I would let them honour their fallen.

 

[tinkerpea]

I'd rather inhale a gust of someone's cremated meemah off the end of the ferry, then inhale a mist of nasty chemical-laden, carcinogen-filled sunscreen spray or second-hand cigarette smoke...which unfortunately is at least a thrice-a-day occurrence in Disney World.
I know it the idea of a cremated body skeeving a lot of people out, but really, it's just dust, dirt, ashes. From ashes to ashes, from dust to dust.
The reality is that we inhale a heap of harmful things everyday, by choice.
The priority just seems a little, off.

I have to agree with you again on this,Its exactly the way i think of it aswell plus I know i want my family to have comfort after im gone and i DO NOT want them to have to visit my grave "not if anything happens while my babies are young" If this brings comfort to somebody and helps with the grief I wouldnt stand in their way.

 

[tinkerpea]

Like someone said...I'm pretty sure no one is bringing a full on urn into the park. Maybe a little sprinkle. After I gave it some thought maybe tossing them off the back of the ferry boat into the lake. Harmless enough.

totally!!

 

[tinkerpea]

But they do replant those beds more than four times a year and the gardeners are in those beds every day. And the old bedding and plants get tossed. Not that I'd do anything against policy, but if you HAD to have your ash at WDW, I'd get rid of it at a resort, not in the parks, and in a small quantity and in "nature" not groomed beds. A cremation creates about four to six pounds of ash. That's a lot of ash to dump in a flower bed and not have the gardeners discover it and hoover it up.

I think the idea though from what has been expressed that in no way would it be the whole Urn full.
It would only be a little amount like a few pinches etc a token amount that would be somewhere for the family to visit or feel nice about where they are.

In a way i also think that once it is done the family will never know if anthing else happens to the ashes and so the comfort is sought and the wishes made no matter what

 

[tinkerpea]

Well before I stayed home with my dd I ran a free legal clinic attached to a law school. One of our clients was a college student on a visa. He was caught drinking underage at a frat party. Ice didn't like that and hauled him before immigration judge and he was deported. Well they allowed him to
Voluntarily leave but if he didn't they would deport him. So yeah stupid stuff gets you deported which is why you should pay attention to laws in countries you visit even if you are raf.

I have not argued once on what would/wouldnt get somebody deported and neither have myself or Dh said we was going to break any laws yet STILL you come bk time and time again to US!
My dh as I have said would find a legal way of doing what ever wishes was wanted, Pretty sure by now though you will have seen that my WISH is to have the VERY LEGAL BALLOON RELEASE.....and thats the only persons wish right now that has to be taken into consideration by him!!
However my Dh is saying that he CAN SEE WHY OTHERS HAVE DONE IT! and that he has NO problem with anyone who decided to do this!
God knows why you keep saying about him being deported and breaking the law yet you cant show me one post that has said he is going to do it no matter what

I think your barking up the wrong tree

 

[Tinkerpeas hubby]

I have not argued once on what would/wouldnt get somebody deported and neither have myself or Dh said we was going to break any laws yet STILL you come bk time and time again to US!
My dh as I have said would find a legal way of doing what ever wishes was wanted, Pretty sure by now though you will have seen that my WISH is to have the VERY LEGAL BALLOON RELEASE.....and thats the only persons wish right now that has to be taken into consideration by him!!
However my Dh is saying that he CAN SEE WHY OTHERS HAVE DONE IT! and that he has NO problem with anyone who decided to do this!
God knows why you keep saying about him being deported and breaking the law yet you cant show me one post that has said he is going to do it no matter what

I think your barking up the wrong tree

Force is strong with this one!

 

[deegack]

Like someone said...I'm pretty sure no one is bringing a full on urn into the park. Maybe a little sprinkle. After I gave it some thought maybe tossing them off the back of the ferry boat into the lake. Harmless enough.

except maybe to the fish and wildlife in the water....

It's not your character that I was having a debate over, it was your opinion on the thread at hand.
Emphasise the word debate, when two opposing parties express their opinions and supporting evidence and try to weigh both ends of the opinion.
I don't mind if you have a difference of opinion, just need to appreciate there is another face to the coin.

One underaged drinking offence would not be justification to deport an individual, he/she would have had to committed previous offenses or due to their intoxication broke additional laws.
I asked a colleague of mine this morning, who joined the RAF two years ago, he used to be a Barrsiter, but decided on a career change.

Actually you did disparage my character by implying I was lazy. You and your wife seem to have a problem with people debating. As unless they agreed with you 100% they are wrong.
Again with the RAF. Do you not get no one cares that you are RAF? It doesn't give you any special rights in this situation. I have several family members that are military or ex-military as well as several friends and none of them ever bring it up unless its germane to the conversation.

Anyway, a UK Barrister would not know much about US immigration law. However, he should look at the USSC case in 2010 that finally said people cannot be deported for small, nonviolent offenses. In this case the man was found with one pill of valium that he could not produce a prescription for.

We have the mentality of if you don't ask, then your not going to get. Speaking from personal experience Disney has gone out of their way on a number of issues for my family. The customer service at Disney is top notch, that is one of the many reasons my wife and I work very hard to take our three boys back again and again.

As a member of the RAF, we live, sleep and breathe by a set of core values.
RISE, Respect, Integrity, Service, Excellence.
Sometimes there are situations when you can turn the other way, example:

If I happen to see an individual smoking in Disney in a non smoking zone, I would challenge that individual and let them know the error of their ways.
If I happen to see a party of mourners that were about to release 10 biodegradeable balloons, which are hand tied with no tails. I would let them honour their fallen.

You know maybe we should just get rid of our entire form of govt and just let you decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Forget the police, attorneys, judges, Congress, Senate, etc you seem to think you should decide which should be enforced and which shouldn't. Obviously being RAF you know all. (In case you don't get it that was sarcastic)

I have not argued once on what would/wouldnt get somebody deported and neither have myself or Dh said we was going to break any laws yet STILL you come bk time and time again to US!
My dh as I have said would find a legal way of doing what ever wishes was wanted, Pretty sure by now though you will have seen that my WISH is to have the VERY LEGAL BALLOON RELEASE.....and thats the only persons wish right now that has to be taken into consideration by him!!
However my Dh is saying that he CAN SEE WHY OTHERS HAVE DONE IT! and that he has NO problem with anyone who decided to do this!
God knows why you keep saying about him being deported and breaking the law yet you cant show me one post that has said he is going to do it no matter what

I think your barking up the wrong tree

I think you and your husband need to understand that its not all about you.

 

[tinkerpea]

except maybe to the fish and wildlife in the water....



Actually you did disparage my character by implying I was lazy. You and your wife seem to have a problem with people debating. As unless they agreed with you 100% they are wrong.
Again with the RAF. Do you not get no one cares that you are RAF? It doesn't give you any special rights in this situation. I have several family members that are military or ex-military as well as several friends and none of them ever bring it up unless its germane to the conversation.

Anyway, a UK Barrister would not know much about US immigration law. However, he should look at the USSC case in 2010 that finally said people cannot be deported for small, nonviolent offenses. In this case the man was found with one pill of valium that he could not produce a prescription for.





You know maybe we should just get rid of our entire form of govt and just let you decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Forget the police, attorneys, judges, Congress, Senate, etc you seem to think you should decide which should be enforced and which shouldn't. Obviously being RAF you know all. (In case you don't get it that was sarcastic)

I think you and your husband need to understand that its not all about you.

Actaully He implied that you always look at it with a cant do attitude Not LAZY! huge difference!

He uses the fact he is in the RAF to give his reasons for his views just as you keep on about what you have done as past jobs and home life to give YOURS! I think its obvious he isnt the only forces person in the world lol
Not once have we said either of us would break the law so like i said BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE! however others have said they would do it either way and He has said that HE has np problem with that and that he understands why they would do it,
Im done with YOU! as you seem to only want to say very nasty things about us,and the fact we think we are special NOT once have we said we are any different then anyone else we have only given our opinions and our reasons for them, YOU just dont seem to like our opinions.............But its Ok for you to give yours and state that you go over the speed limit that is set and that is LAW because you think thats Ok!

please give examples where we have said we are special and can do what we like even when it comes to breaking the law!!!

 

[Tinkerpeas hubby]

except maybe to the fish and wildlife in the water....



Actually you did disparage my character by implying I was lazy. You and your wife seem to have a problem with people debating. As unless they agreed with you 100% they are wrong.
Again with the RAF. Do you not get no one cares that you are RAF? It doesn't give you any special rights in this situation. I have several family members that are military or ex-military as well as several friends and none of them ever bring it up unless its germane to the conversation.

Anyway, a UK Barrister would not know much about US immigration law. However, he should look at the USSC case in 2010 that finally said people cannot be deported for small, nonviolent offenses. In this case the man was found with one pill of valium that he could not produce a prescription for.



You know maybe we should just get rid of our entire form of govt and just let you decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Forget the police, attorneys, judges, Congress, Senate, etc you seem to think you should decide which should be enforced and which shouldn't. Obviously being RAF you know all. (In case you don't get it that was sarcastic)

I think you and your husband need to understand that its not all about you.

Ops, silly me, forgot to mention that the forementioned Barrister has in infact dual national passport, he has worked with the US justice system for five years prior to coming to the UK before signing up just under two years.

"USSC case in 2010 that finally said people cannot be deported for small, nonviolent offenses." I'm confsused, didn't you say that you can be deported for petty offences and now your most recent example contradicts what you've claimed previously.

The only reason I mentioned that I was in the RAF, as it was relevent to the example I was giving. No one else has an issue with me saying that i'm in the RAF.

 

[deegack]

Im truelly hoping they dont have a reason to do one BUT ............
Not sure anyone would find out if the boys accidently let go of their Mickey ballons that they had bought! Maybe no one will notice the message tied to the end

Perhaps you should explain that to your wife, as she came across as she was going to do what she wanted anyway. I was not aware she was unable to use the search function.

Logically when someone from the country I am going to visit posts that what I want to do may be against the law-I would take a moment to look it up.

Most people, when they find out there is a law-would do their best to follow it.

I am sure your boss would agree.

Have a Disney day.....

My wife would never break a law that would inflict harm towards others, their perosnal property, or their civil liberties.

I and my fellow service men and women are duty bound to follow all of the Queen's Regulations, however even my boss know's if we did just that, the British Armed Forces as it stands would no operate as effectively as it does in today's operational environment.

Have you ever broken the law?

No line to be drawn if it's someone's last wish.

Would you not do it for your child or significant other?

You mean to tell me that if you lost your most nearest and dearest, their final wish ment you would have to break a law. Let's use some common sense here, were not exactly talking breaking a law that would result in harm to others, damage to property. A law that can and by the sounds of it has been over looked.

I'm sure that if I was to ask Disney if I could sprinkle the ashes of a lost one in flower beds near Cinderella's castle. I could ask Disney to make some allowance, such as i'm permitted to hold a personal ceremony when the park has been cleared of guests, or before the park opens to the public.
They could kindly had a gardener part the soil so that the ashes once spread can be incorporated in with the soil so that they don't disperse else where.

I'm starting to notice a can't do attitude with you, time for a new outlook

Even if it was there dying wish? Guess I was raised differently. So we can agree to disagree on that one.

What is your source that ashes causes damage to property?

Now if you read these quotes you will see where you said it doesn't matter what the law said you were going to do what you were going to do even if oops the boys let go of their balloons by accident. By implying rules do not apply to you, you have said you are special.

 

[deegack]

Ops, silly me, forgot to mention that the forementioned Barrister has in infact dual national passport, he has worked with the US justice system for five years prior to coming to the UK before signing up just under two years.

"USSC case in 2010 that finally said people cannot be deported for small, nonviolent offenses." I'm confsused, didn't you say that you can be deported for petty offences and now your most recent example contradicts what you've claimed previously.

The only reason I mentioned that I was in the RAF, as it was relevent to the example I was giving. No one else has an issue with me saying that i'm in the RAF.

My case was pre2010. My dd was born in 2009. I worked until just before she was born. Hence, the USSC ruling does not apply to my case.

 

[Tinkerpeas hubby]

Now if you read these quotes you will see where you said it doesn't matter what the law said you were going to do what you were going to do even if oops the boys let go of their balloons by accident. By implying rules do not apply to you, you have said you are special.

You need to read them again very closely, as you are reading between the lines and looking into something that isn't there!

We've already established what the rules are, the reference to the boys letting go of the balloons by accident, was in jest of humour!

Don't recall saying we are special.

 

[Tinkerpeas hubby]

My case was pre2010. My dd was born in 2009. I worked until just before she was born. Hence, the USSC ruling does not apply to my case.

So if it's not relevent anymore, why mention it??????

The case you mentioned was refering to an underaged drinking offense?

 

[deegack]

My wife would never break a law that would inflict harm towards others, their perosnal property, or their civil liberties.

I and my fellow service men and women are duty bound to follow all of the Queen's Regulations, however even my boss know's if we did just that, the British Armed Forces as it stands would no operate as effectively as it does in today's operational environment.

Have you ever broken the law?

I didnt see it as an attack but as an observation on the thread you have posted on.
I pressed the button before I was able to add the info i wanted which stated we are going to be living in the US from early next yr due to our forces posting! so I doubt he will get kicked out the country and I really doubt if I wanted him to do it (which ive never stated that I did ) he would go about it Illegally he is MUCH MUCH more clever then that!

It's not your character that I was having a debate over, it was your opinion on the thread at hand.
Emphasise the word debate, when two opposing parties express their opinions and supporting evidence and try to weigh both ends of the opinion.
I don't mind if you have a difference of opinion, just need to appreciate there is another face to the coin.

One underaged drinking offence would not be justification to deport an individual, he/she would have had to committed previous offenses or due to their intoxication broke additional laws.
I asked a colleague of mine this morning, who joined the RAF two years ago, he used to be a Barrsiter, but decided on a career change.

We have the mentality of if you don't ask, then your not going to get. Speaking from personal experience Disney has gone out of their way on a number of issues for my family. The customer service at Disney is top notch, that is one of the many reasons my wife and I work very hard to take our three boys back again and again.

As a member of the RAF, we live, sleep and breathe by a set of core values.
RISE, Respect, Integrity, Service, Excellence.
Sometimes there are situations when you can turn the other way, example:

If I happen to see an individual smoking in Disney in a non smoking zone, I would challenge that individual and let them know the error of their ways.
If I happen to see a party of mourners that were about to release 10 biodegradeable balloons, which are hand tied with no tails. I would let them honour their fallen.

Actaully He implied that you always look at it with a cant do attitude Not LAZY! huge difference!

He uses the fact he is in the RAF to give his reasons for his views just as you keep on about what you have done as past jobs and home life to give YOURS! I think its obvious he isnt the only forces person in the world lol
Not once have we said either of us would break the law so like i said BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE! however others have said they would do it either way and He has said that HE has np problem with that and that he understands why they would do it,
Im done with YOU! as you seem to only want to say very nasty things about us,and the fact we think we are special NOT once have we said we are any different then anyone else we have only given our opinions and our reasons for them, YOU just dont seem to like our opinions.............But its Ok for you to give yours and state that you go over the speed limit that is set and that is LAW because you think thats Ok!

please give examples where we have said we are special and can do what we like even when it comes to breaking the law!!!

I think I counted 5 times your husband's job was mentioned. None were germane to the conversation.