***********. (Dis vlogger support) supposed to be about free speech. I got banned after 1 post. LOL

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My point is freedom of speech in public places is eroding. Perhaps my extreme examples were a bit of hyperbole. I agree that businesses have a right to make decisions about what goes on on their property. That is also a fundamental right. My concern comes from peoples opinions being censored just because their opinion differs from the opinion of the majority. Many times this is do to very loud public pressure over social media, that forces speech to be stifled for a mere stating of an opinion. I am not for pornography or vulgarity or for telling people or businesses what they can or can't do on their own property. Again my problem is more with media outlets, social media sites censoring peoples speech for merely stating an opinion they don't agree with. A differing opinion on the economy or a social issue doesn't necessarily make you wrong. There are always two sides to every argument and they should always be heard equally. Unfortunately in todays society that does not happen. People pass moral judgements on an opinion and cancel, for lack of a better term, someone for their opinion or belief.
So you're "for" free speech, but you're not for pornography or vulgarity?
You're ok with a business saying what can/can't be done on their property, but you're not ok with web site hosts saying what can/can't be done? What do you think social media is? It's a business (multiple businesses, but hopefully you get the point).

You've got a few contradictions in your stance.

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As for my thread here, I just wanted to call out the hypocrisy. I still feel that is what it was hypocrisy.
Sounds like you're hypocritical yourself.
 
Why is expressing an "opinion" spamming? I think that is my point exactly. I was just expressing my opinion that I enjoyed this vlogger and that I felt the criticism of his weight and his eating habits should not be discussed. I was not spamming. The site prides itself on allowing people to speak their minds. I was merely speaking my mind and expressing my opinion and my opinion was censored. I didn't curse, I didn't abuse any individual poster, I just expressed my opinion on the vlogger. I didnt even quote another poster. Not sure how this is SPAM

As for my thread here, I just wanted to call out the hypocrisy. I still feel that is what it was hypocrisy. Again my opinion was censored because it was opposite of their opinion of the vlogger. That is the problem. I do agree however that it is their site and they have every right to ban whomever they please. I just feel I also have the right to call out the hypocrisy.
You stated yourself your goal was to spout off and leave. That is spamming.

I just simply do not use the site. In this circumstance, I wanted to establish an account, say my peace, in one simple post, see some of the reaction from the toxic dullards and delete my account.
Spamming the forum is exactly what it is.
 
Social media sites are private businesses.

Lol you think the last statement is new to today's society? That has happened since the dawn of time.

People did not get canceled the way they due today! The fact that you think this has not changed since the dawn of time is. LOL. Take the example of someone like Chris Pratt, who there is an active campaign to cancel because he is a Christian and belongs to a church. This campaign is gaining traction and he is already suffering the effects of it. He has said he has been pulled from projects that he had previously been offered. I understand he just did JP and is in the upcoming Thor and Guardians movies, so don't hit me with that. There is still an active campaign to get him removed from projects and he has done nothing. He doesn't even really speak out about his religious convictions he just identifies as a Christian. He has even said that his church hold some views that are contrary to his own personal beliefs with regards to individuals and that can be said about any Church.
 
I know what vlogger you were referring to. He is fun to watch, but never critical of Disney. Although I don't agree everything at Disney is perfect and magical, I still thoroughly enjoy him, especially on days when I need a pick me up.

Moving on ...

Why did you even give this site the time of day if all it does is spew hatred? In the back of your mind you had to know your post was not going to be met positively. You were ripe for the picking. I bet if your comment is still up on the site they are going to town with it. It is a total waste of time. I know you know this.

Instead of going on some trash site to defend him, post on one of his YouTube video. Tell him you enjoy his content! He will see it and appreciate it. ::yes::
 


People did not get canceled the way they due today! The fact that you think this has not changed since the dawn of time is. LOL. Take the example of someone like Chris Pratt, who there is an active campaign to cancel because he is a Christian and belongs to a church. This campaign is gaining traction and he is already suffering the effects of it. He has said he has been pulled from projects that he had previously been offered. I understand he just did JP and is in the upcoming Thor and Guardians movies, so don't hit me with that. There is still an active campaign to get him removed from projects and he has done nothing. He doesn't even really speak out about his religious convictions he just identifies as a Christian. He has even said that his church hold some views that are contrary to his own personal beliefs with regards to individuals and that can be said about any Church.
So you want to keep people from expressing their opinions of Chris Pratt?
 
I'm not against pornography or vulgarity and I did not say that. I said I am not for it personally. There is a huge consumer market for porn and If you like it have at it. I am a libertarian. Vulgarity is also fine. Curse up a storm if that is how you like to express yourself. I am for all speech. I guess I was not clear. I am essentially a libertarian. I want each individual to be able to be as free as possible.
 
People did not get canceled the way they due today! The fact that you think this has not changed since the dawn of time is. LOL. Take the example of someone like Chris Pratt, who there is an active campaign to cancel because he is a Christian and belongs to a church. This campaign is gaining traction and he is already suffering the effects of it. He has said he has been pulled from projects that he had previously been offered. I understand he just did JP and is in the upcoming Thor and Guardians movies, so don't hit me with that. There is still an active campaign to get him removed from projects and he has done nothing. He doesn't even really speak out about his religious convictions he just identifies as a Christian. He has even said that his church hold some views that are contrary to his own personal beliefs with regards to individuals and that can be said about any Church.
you think no one was canceled for religion in the past? Really. As a descendant of John Alden I find this quite hilarious.
 


So you want to keep people from expressing their opinions of Chris Pratt?

No, they have every right to express their opinion about him, just not advocate against him or pressure public entities / businesses to cancel him based on his beliefs. Media campaigns against someone are not merely expressing ones opinion. I don't particularly like many individuals but I respect others rights to like and support them and I am for them being successful and making as much money as possible. Just because I personally disagree or dislike someone doesn't mean they don't have the right to do what they do or be a successful person.
 
you think no one was canceled for religion in the past? Really. As a descendant of John Alden I find this quite hilarious.

Again you conflate and take things out of context. There has always been religious persecution and I am not saying that didn't exist. I am speaking about todays culture and the internet. You are over simplifying in your comparison to pre-internet. WE can agree to disagree. That is allowed.
 
I'm not against pornography or vulgarity and I did not say that. I said I am not for it personally. There is a huge consumer market for porn and If you like it have at it. I am a libertarian. Vulgarity is also fine. Curse up a storm if that is how you like to express yourself. I am for all speech. I guess I was not clear. I am essentially a libertarian. I want each individual to be able to be as free as possible.
How about the individual who sets up a social media platform? Should that individual be as free as possible to set their own rules on what speech they permit on their own site?
 
you think no one was canceled for religion in the past? Really. As a descendant of John Alden I find this quite hilarious.

Religious persecution was one of the reasons this Country was founded and why freedom of religion was the first fundamental right to be discussed at the continental congress. It goes hand in hand with freedom of speech. This point counterpoint argument can be made all day and I think that is healthy debate. Again two sides of the coin. My argument will always be on the side of keeping as many freedoms absolute as we can. Unfortunately, restrictions are being placed on many freedoms and only the popular opinions are being respected.
 
How about the individual who sets up a social media platform? Should that individual be as free as possible to set their own rules on what speech they permit on their own site?

That is their right but I would think if you expressly advertise your site as a safe space for people to express their opinions without being deleted or banned than that is how they should conduct business. They are cowardly to delete posts and ban people when that is how they advertise their site.
 
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I guess my true question here is

Is an opinion spam? I can see if I was soliciting a business, advertising, or talking about something totally off topic. I was just expressing my opinion and support for a vlogger that was being personally attacked. I was not criticizing their attacks or even telling them to stop, I was merely stating I felt differently and that I supported the vlogger and his choices.
 
That is there right but I would think if you expressly advertise your site as a safe space for people to express their opinions with being deleted or banned than that is how they should conduct business.
Well, since you agree they should be free to run their space as they see fit, I'm not sure your thoughts matter--especially since you admitted you were there in bad faith, anyway.
 
Well, since you agree they should be free to run their space as they see fit, I'm not sure your thoughts matter--especially since you admitted you were there in bad faith, anyway.

I was not there in bad faith. I was simply expressing an alternate opinion of a Disney vlogger. The site says it is a place for free speech and that people can feel free to express themselves without fear of having their posts being deleted. I guess I was foolish to think I would be able to express an opinion that differed from theirs. Again I don't think an opinion is spam.
 
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Never heard of the site the OP mentioned, but I also don't waste my time on social media where people mostly like to argue with each other. I do find it funny that those who yell the loudest about 'free speech' tend to be the ones who never want to hear from anyone they disagree with. Their idea of 'free speech' is to be able to spout nonsense, hate speech and/or looney tune conspiracy theories without any restrictions. The first amendment relates to what the government restricts. Website are run by private companies who can place limits on what they allow. You still can't yell FIRE in a crowded movie theatre and claim your right to 'free speech' allows you to do that.
 
"The rule".

Simple answer... don't like the way a web page/business is run, don't frequent them. Why people need to make it a point to let others know they don't like a website is beyond me. I had never heard of the site you mention.
You know, I joined the DiS many years ago and have been on hiatus for months at a time because some people on here think if I HAVE an opinion that does not line up with theirs then they turn on you like - just like that! (finger snap)

Even if you block them they can still see your posts and feel the need to follow you and react to something I write or comment unnecessarily.

I enjoy the vlogs from Gracie's dad. He seems genuine and imo very likable. If I ever run into him in the parks, I am going to buy him a beer :)
 
I was not there in bad faith. I was simply expressing an alternate opinion of a Disney vlogger. The site says it is a place for free speech and that people can feel free to express themselves without fear of having their posts being deleted. I guess I was foolish to think I would be able to express an opinion that differed from theirs. Again I don't think an opinion is spam.

You said:

In this circumstance, I wanted to establish an account, say my peace, in one simple post, see some of the reaction from the toxic dullards and delete my account.

I think a fair reading of that is you were not there in good faith to be a member of the community--you wanted to dump and run. Seems like you're upset they beat you to the punch.
 
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