Dilemna on a resort

[DISNEYBIGGDOGG]

I am a vet with a dilemna. I have been to Disney a rediculous number of times but this is the first time that I can not claim an infant to add to a room.

Here is the scenarios. We are 9 people, the youngest now 4 going from 7-25 to 7-30. I was able to secure a room only with the extended summer codes WL for $156/nt and I got 2 rooms. I called back today to see what it would cost in Old Key west with the same code and we will able to sleep everyone and it is $333/nt. This is onle about $20 more per night but we would all be in same room.

Here is the dilemna, At OKW west I can only sleep 8. I know that if i sneak the 4 y/o in the room they will never know. The ressies are room only so they would never find out. The problem is when I go purchase the tickets at check in, they will see that i have an extra person.

Looking for suggestions please

 

[csaribay]

Well, if you plan to take advantage of Disney's Magical Express service from Orlando International Airport, you're out of luck unfortunately. Each guest must be registered prior to arrival - and there's no way to 'force' the system to add guests above the limit.

If not, keep in mind these 'limits' are part of the unit's and building's overall fire code, and that's the maximum the room is designed to handle for safety purposes. You can always buy an additional ticket at some point at lobby concierge (a ticket does not necessarily have to be tied to a reservation or room key - tickets can be printed and lobby concierge that are just standard tickets). You'd also want to keep in mind that if you intend to take part in Extra Magic Hours at the parks, each guest will need to have a room key to be eligible for that benefit.

The only sanctioned way to go about it is to book accommodations that will sleep nine. Resorts that will sleep nine in two bedroom units are Bay Lake Tower at Disney's Contemporary Resort and Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge - Kidani Village.

 

[MareSINY]

Treehouse Villas will sleep 9, what about checking the price of those?

 

[lovesdumbo]

How were you going to fit 9 in 2 standards rooms at WL?

Did you price out AKV-do those sleep 9? They have a single sleeper chair in the living room.

 

[danceintherain]

Yup...you're looking at the same problem at both places, because Standard Rooms at WL (and AKL) only sleep 4.

You can buy the tickets anywhere, but you will run into the above mentioned problems, so it would probably be better to book a room that sleeps 9, or go with 2 rooms at one of the other Deluxe resorts that can sleep 5.

 

[Mickey country]

What about 2 rooms at Port Orlean's Riverside in the section with trundle beds. Each room can hold 5, and would be cheaper, like $129.50 a night!

 

[maxiesmom]

Having too many people in a room causes a few problems. First off, no dining plan or Magical Express for you! Only registered guests can take advantage of ME or the Dining Plan. Second, you would not be able to go to any Extra Magic Hours. You must show a room key to get on the rides during EMH's.

For me, even the though of getting caught with an extra person would bother me to the point that I couldn't enjoy my vacation. If you are found out, you will have to purchase another room at rack rate, or be asked to leave. Not things I would want hanging over my head.

What I think you should do is look into accomodations that can hold your whole family. You could do one Value Room and a Family Suite. You could do two rooms at POR. Two rooms at many of the Deluxe resorts. Or another option is a 2 bedroom villa at the Animal Kingdom Lodge. They hold 9 guests legally. If you look on the DVC board you can probably get a good deal renting points for it.

 

[eandesmom]

We are also a party of nine and really "legally" you only have the following options.

Deluxe Villas - THV 3 bedroom, BLT&AKV 2 bedrooms all sleep 9.
Deluxe Rooms - many will sleep 5 with a daybed. Not all deluxes have them though. You can do 2 rooms in this scenario.

From what I have heard the trundles are really small at POR, to the point we didn't even really consider it with our crowd. It is also double beds instead of the queens you get in a deluxe. There are some deluxe rooms that sleep 6 at WL, you can do one of those and one standard room.

Other than that you are looking either at 2 cabins at FW, 3 rooms at a mod or a value or one suite at ASM and one standard room. Or a 2 bedroom villa plus a studio.

Best option in my opinion is THV as you get by far the most room and the best bedroom layout for that many people. However they aren't for everyone and there aren't very many of them so availability is limited at best.

We are doing 2 rooms at the Yacht Club. For us the queen beds and the location "won" but I am worried about sleep quality! Even with the daybeds I have a hunch we will be getting rollaways in both of the rooms as well. I'd have gone for BLT or THV if I'd have had the final say although I am very excited for the YC. Good luck!

 

[comax]

Um I hate to be the sneaky one but....guess I am! everyone else is right as far as the magic express! but as far as buying tix....I have bought tix for family members that came to visit for the day..etc. I mean at 4 (or you can round down to 3) can't that be considered a crib? The riverside sleeps 5 ( ibelieve someone mentioned that...and some of the resorts, I am not sure exactly which ones but will allow you to purchase a rollaway for (I think) 15 a night! AT least they used to.....we did this at all star sports many years ago when, my floridian relatives came to visit and brought an extra guest! I think you have options! And worst case senario....if your really worried WHEN you purchase tix....purchase all but the baby's and then buy the babys later that day! Again,,, I have done this NOT because I was in your situation but because my family of 6 had No expiration tix from a previous trip and on this trip I brought my nephew...so there I was in lobby just buying 1 tix.....no one will question it! really! good luck

 

[maxiesmom]

Um I hate to be the sneaky one but....guess I am! everyone else is right as far as the magic express! but as far as buying tix....I have bought tix for family members that came to visit for the day..etc. I mean at 4 (or you can round down to 3) can't that be considered a crib?/QUOTE]

No. Once you are over 2yrs old you count towards room occupency. It doesn't matter if you put that child in a crib or not. Once you are on their property you should follow their rules. In this case you risk the humiliation of being tossed from the resort.

And for those people who think it is ok, I have one question for you? How would you feel with a few extra hundred people running around the resort, but not the services to accomodate them? Because if everyone went over the room limit, that is what we would all have to deal with. You think the busses are packed now? Add a few hundred more people to them that are not accounted for. Ditto for the food courts and pool areas. A few hundred more people at each resort would have a huge negative impact on all of us. Really, just follow the room occupency limits. You are all adults, you should know to follow the rules.

 

[Missytara]

No matter what; room occupancies are established by the local fire codes.......in other words, fire stairs, corridors, etc. are sized to handle just that number of people.

What if there was a fire, and not everyone got out of the building, because everyone had an extra person in their room? What if the extra person was not listed on the register and would go unaccounted for in case of fire? What would you do if you had to admit there was an extra person in your room, that couldn't get out and you could be held liable for that person's inability to escape the fire?

It is not worth taking that chance.

 

[lovesdumbo]

Once you are over 2yrs old you count towards room occupency.

It is over 3 years old that a child is counted.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I mean at 4 (or you can round down to 3) can't that be considered a crib?

YOU can do whatever you want. Since the property owner considers a child UNDER three to not count toward the occupancy, it wouldn't matter.

and some of the resorts, I am not sure exactly which ones but will allow you to purchase a rollaway for (I think) 15 a night!

For parties NOT exceeding the room's maximum occupancy but where two of the Guests wish not to share a bed.

I think you have options!

Options which have been suggested by other posts - not this one.

your really worried WHEN you purchase tix....purchase all but the baby's and then buy the babys later that day! Again

But we don't know of any culture in which a four year old is considered a baby.

 

[maxiesmom]

It is over 3 years old that a child is counted.

I think we mean the same thing. Over 2 = 3. At least that is how I meant it.

 

[mmmears]

Um I hate to be the sneaky one but....guess I am! everyone else is right as far as the magic express! but as far as buying tix....I have bought tix for family members that came to visit for the day..etc. I mean at 4 (or you can round down to 3) can't that be considered a crib?/QUOTE]

No. Once you are over 2yrs old you count towards room occupency. It doesn't matter if you put that child in a crib or not. Once you are on their property you should follow their rules. In this case you risk the humiliation of being tossed from the resort.

And for those people who think it is ok, I have one question for you? How would you feel with a few extra hundred people running around the resort, but not the services to accomodate them? Because if everyone went over the room limit, that is what we would all have to deal with. You think the busses are packed now? Add a few hundred more people to them that are not accounted for. Ditto for the food courts and pool areas. A few hundred more people at each resort would have a huge negative impact on all of us. Really, just follow the room occupency limits. You are all adults, you should know to follow the rules.

I have to agree here. You can't "round" a 4 year old into a 2-year old and call that child an infant... Good luck with that one! Maybe a newly-turned 3-year-old if going against the rules doesn't bother you.

Occupancy limits are set by fire codes, plus, like this poster noted, if we all did this just think of how more crowded the pools, buses, and restaurants would be at every resort.

I suggest finding a "legal" way to house your party, whether it's in a treehouse villa, 2 WL cabins, or even 2 rooms at POR.

 

[comax]

WOW! I hit a nerve! NOT my intension!

I can see that no one here has ever bent the rules and that you all know them so well...fire codes etc. But, let's be realistic....there are some gray areas here that are obviously debatable.

It seems that disneybigdog had his/her mind made up as to sneaking a kid in. Her dilemma was raising a red flag when buying an extra tix. My response was: "I have bought tix for family members that came to visit for the day..etc". My example was already having NOEX tix for everyone except my nephew. I simply responded to this specifically.

I "questioned" rounding DOWN the age (notice the ?)! Let me clarify...Disney decides the ages and rules, I realize this (again a gray area). You may have a 3 year old that you WANT to put in a crib OR you may have a 2 year old that will NOT sleep in a crib but, in a bed with their parents. Really, it depends on the situation.

I apologize (I think?) for referring to the youngest member of this family as a "baby". This was taken literally but, really it's just a term of endearment , I still refer to my youngest as "the baby".

I also, suggested getting 2 rooms at Riverside. And the rollaway bed, well.....it went like this: We were 3 in a room at the AS sport. My aunt came to visit and brought along her hubby. We called the front desk, explained the situation. Their solution, a rollaway bed in which we paid $15. NOW, this was in 1999, the rules may have changed or perhaps Disney "bent" the rules.

 

[maxiesmom]

I don't see where the "grey area" is. You child is either over 2 years of age, or they are not. It doesn't matter to Disney if that child is in a crib, or sleeps on the bed.

And while it was nice of Disney to give you a roll-away to sleep a 5th person at an All Star Resort, I wouldn't count on it. They would be heavily fined in the Fire Marshall caught wind of them doing that on a regular basis.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I can see that no one here has ever bent the rules and that you all know them so well...fire codes etc. But, let's be realistic....there are some gray areas here that are obviously debatable.

Let's be even more realistic. The DIS Board rules and guidelines prohibit posting information on how to get around Disney's rules.

I "questioned" rounding DOWN the age (notice the ?)! Let me clarify...Disney decides the ages and rules, I realize this (again a gray area).

No gray area. Disney's house, Disney's rules. Pretty black-and-white.

You may have a 3 year old that you WANT to put in a crib OR you may have a 2 year old that will NOT sleep in a crib but, in a bed with their parents. Really, it depends on the situation.

It doesn't matter where the infant, one-, or two-year old actually sleeps. The maximum occupancy for most Disney resorts is four people plus once child UNDER three for whom the Disney-provided bedding is a pack & play.

THIS http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=23975888&postcount=3 thread presents your options for accommodating parties of more than four persons.

 

[auntie]

Get the two rooms at the WL. Better to have two bathrooms. Bring an air mattress for the "youngest". They even have them, just ask mousekeeping. (And..no..mousekeeping doesn't give a mouse's hiney-ho how many people you have in there.) If one of the rooms has a bunk bed room, you have room on the floor to lay the air mattress. They don't offer roll-away cots any longer. Buy the little guy his pass somewhere else, not a check in.