Did you see this: Marie Claire magazine posts "Should fatties get a room?" article.

[eliza61]

Which is worse? A magazine that apparently "tells it like it is" (well, according to the magazine anyway) or a magazine that promotes "loving yourself" and "every body size and shape is beautiful" while no one over 100 lbs or shorter than 5'9" graces its pages?

Equally as bad. Author could as easily put in Black, Hispanic, Muslim, gay.

Why she felt the need to enlighten us with this article is beyond me. Obese and Muslims seem to be the groups we feel are perfectly ok to whip up on.

Wonder could she have gotten an article entitled "jews should get a room and not force use to watch them on tv"?

Yep, she is entitled to her opinion, just like the kkk are entitled to theirs. Ee are entitled to react accordingly by calling her out on it.

keep your apologies (which I bet can be directly linked back to the number of folks who called Marie claire and told them what to do with their magazine). I'll keep my money from your magazine.

 

[FireDancer]

How is that attitude any different than the attitude of the author in the article? Skinny people are ok to pick on but fat people are not?

ETA: I don't think either one is right.

It happens here all the time. The way people respond to fat criticism is to lash out with thin criticism. You are right though, it isn't at all different and I find it hypocritical.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I just read the whole piece....
She has her opinion, and she is entitled to it.

I think those who are so quick to express such a negative opinion, and throw out negative preconcieved labels, are JUST as guilty as she is.

I have NEVER been thin...
My family and myself have some obvious metabolic and health issues.
I can also say that I have never had any issues with eating disorders or body image....
I, in NO way have any bigotry or predudice against those with extra body weight.

But, if you want total and brutal honesty from me....
I AGREE with the OP in that I would not really choose to watch, or enjoy watching, morbidly obese people in any big physical display.

Sorry, but we do have a very very serious problem in this country... not with just being overweight, but actually being morbidly obese, and very unhealthy. Do we really want to display this as positive or attractive?????

To be more specific about the authors comments..... I was totally with the Author until about halfway thru the article. That is when she started getting 'preachy' and showing some real judgement. And, for that, I do go

If she had just stopped before putting her foot in her mouth....

And, to reiterate, anybody who wants to throw negative accusations back and demand apology might want to look at their own issues/opinions and 'Let it goooooo...."

 

[luvmy3]

I agree with you. I mean, she can write what she wants to write, and I can write that I'd rather watch two "fatties" making out than two skin and bone waif looking people anyday.

Um okay.

How is that attitude any different than the attitude of the author in the article? Skinny people are ok to pick on but fat people are not?

ETA: I don't think either one is right.

Its not

Wow, it must be nice to only have to google bigot and never have to deal with it at all.


Must be nice.

just curious what you mean by this? If someone has never been the object of bigotry they arent allowed to point it out in others?

 

[PrincessKsMom]

I think I'd respect the author's opinion more had she written an article in Marie Claire about her experiences with anorexia and how horrible that disease can be. It's easy in a magazine like Marie Claire to pick on the fatties because it's obvious they sell "thin". She should speak on what she knows -- that would be a better use of her talents and experiences.

 

[sparklynails23]

I don't want to see ugly people make out. I don't want to see most people make out. Anorexic people give me the willies, even when they aren't making out-- especially if they are pregnant. I'm getting used to seeing obese people but don't want to see them making out, even if they aren't ugly.

 

[RitaE]

This is one of the difficulties I'm having with the whole thing
One example of a Marie Claire cover

The "disgusting" actress from Mike and Molly

Now I am not so naive as to think that we don't live in a society where Ashley Olson would be considered by most to be more acceptably attractive to the ---- let's call them the Fashion Crowd.

But this idea presented that just having to look at Melissa McCarthy as being too unpleasant is simply ridiculous. Yes, Melissa McCarthy is overweight. I find it hard to believe that there are all that many people out there in real life that think she's disgusting and ugly in relationship to the more traditional model with her overly thin pasty pale heroine addict inspired blackened eyes.

Sorry.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

http://static.tvfanatic.com/files/swoosie-kurtz.jpg

That is Swoosie Kurtz who plays Molly's mother. I think you meant Melissa McCarthy who plays Molly.

 

[wvjules]

But this idea presented that just having to look at Swoosie Kurtz as being too unpleasant is simply ridiculous. Yes, Swoosie Kurtz is overweight. I find it hard to believe that there are all that many people out there in real life that think she's disgusting and ugly in relationship to the more traditional model with her overly thin pasty pale heroine addict inspired blackened eyes.

Sorry.

Isn't she the mother? I think she's pretty danged skinny.

And I think the Olsen girl looks horrible in that photo.

 

[Robinrs]

just curious what you mean by this? If someone has never been the object of bigotry they arent allowed to point it out in others?

um okay

 

[BeenHereB4]

How is that attitude any different than the attitude of the author in the article? Skinny people are ok to pick on but fat people are not?

ETA: I don't think either one is right.

Never said she was right or wrong. I was agreeing with the PP that the author shouldn't have been giving nutrition advice. She can write whatever she wants and I can write whatever I want. Never said I'd actually want to watch or not watch 2 skinny people or 2 fat people make out.

 

[RitaE]

http://static.tvfanatic.com/files/swoosie-kurtz.jpg

That is Swoosie Kurtz who plays Molly's mother. I think you meant Melissa McCarthy who plays Molly.

ah you're right - I mixed them up. Poor Melissa McCarthy can't win these days. Sorry. I'll change it.

 

[monkeybug]

There is a difference between not agreeing with someone on a given topic and wanting an apology because you don't agree.

I read things I don't agree with every day but have never thought once that anyone owed me an apology for having a different opinion than I do.

I don't think people should apologize for having an opposing opinion, but I do feel like it's appropriate to apologize when the manner in which that opinion is articulated hurts the feelings of others.
I would hope that by adulthood most of us have figured out a way to share our opinions in a way that is sensitive to the feelings of others (the author of this article apparently has not), and that when we fail, and inadvertently hurt someone's feelings, we have the grace to apologize. (and no matter how confident and super human a person might be, everyone has had their feelings hurt at some point in their life)
We are all entitled to the way we feel about things, but to share those feelings in a way that takes no consideration for others is arrogant and immature.

 

[moon]

I can't believe such dreadful drivel gets published. Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't think *anyone* is entitled to be cruel.

For that Kelley woman, her editor and everyone out there, here is a hint: Once you feel the need to say "some of my best friends are_____" you are surely being an ignorant, bigoted, cruel jerk....just don't go there.

 

[luvmy3]

nice

um okay

So is it you won't answer the question or you just can't come up with a rational one?
nevermind, I already know, um okay.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I can't believe such dreadful drivel gets published.

Why is it such a surprize????
Have you actually looked at the Magazines at the check-out stands???

Just look at the photo on the cover just pictured...
Read the headline 'bites' that tell what is written inside.

It is what it is....

Why is anyone so shocked...
Why does anyone think an apology is necessary???

Are we starting to now talk 'censorship' by the overly sensitive, politically correct, crowd????

 

[Robinrs]

nice

So is it you won't answer the question or you just can't come up with a rational one?
nevermind, I already know, um okay.

ME, not come up with a rational answer? Never happen!

I've learned to realize that those who have never walked in my shoes will NEVER get it, so why bother.

 

[lisaviolet]

I don't get -DIS posters on this thread and the writer - using the word fatties.

No sarcasm - has that word really become okay to use for overweight people? It just sounds so derogatory to me. Yes overweight people usually have excess fat on them but "fatties" seems like a totally different tone to me.

Okay here's some OT thoughts - but things on this thread that jumped out to me.

Robin - I'm white - pink actually - never ceases to amaze me when people write like they "know" the be all and end all of situations without probably experiencing them themselves. Not commenting per se but the way they write. Never ceases to amaze me - in all realms of life. EDIT: so funny - I was rambling all this in cyberspace while you were posting.

Not really. My husband has two strikes against him. One, he carries his weight all over, and two, he's never been what they call a "normal" weight. I don't think it's even possible. At his leanest, when he's 190, he looks thin. At that weight he's well proportioned from top to bottom and his stomach is flat and his shoulders are wider than his hips. But that weight is actually at the top end of "overweight" according to the BMI charts. At 205, he's "obese" and he gets a little belly. At 240 he's "morbidly obese".

And you know, it takes effort for him to stay down below 200! Gaining 15 pounds is easy. Practically everyone does that at one point or another, even people who find it easy to stay thin. And 45 lbs is not a lot, if you're already inclined toward being overweight.

It takes quite a bit of extra weight to fall into the "morbidly" obese category.

Sometimes not. The BMI can be the most ridiculous and erroneous tool around. Yes it works for a lot of body types but you would think that PhDs could come up with something better.

Me here - upper end of the BMI's "obese" no not overweight ... obese - verging on the morbidly or whatever the heck the next category is. Ridiculous. And I'm not alone obviously. -

Thanks for posting Magpie.

 

[Robinrs]

I don't get -DIS posters on this thread and the writer - using the word fatties.

No sarcasm - has that word really become okay to use for overweight people? It just sounds so derogatory to me. Yes overweight people usually have excess fat on them but "fatties" seems like a totally different tone to me.

Okay here's some OT thoughts - but things on this thread that jumped out to me.

Robin - I'm white - pink actually - never ceases to amaze me when people write like they "know" the be all and end all of situations without probably experiencing them themselves. Not commenting per se but the way they write. Never ceases to amaze me - in all realms of life. EDIT: so funny - I was rambling all this in cyberspace while you were posting.







Sometimes not. The BMI can be the most ridiculous and erroneous tool around. Yes it works for a lot of body types but you would think that PhDs could come up with something better.

Me here - upper end of the BMI's "obese" verging on the morbidly or whatever the heck the next category is.

You look beautiful!

And I'm black...uh brown actually.

 

[lisaviolet]

You look beautiful!

And I'm black...uh brown actually.

Too funny pink girl says to brown girl.

Thanks Robin. I love the picture because I ADORE that coat. And HHI - it's about two years ago and about 15 pounds down. It took YEARS to accept - forties. I was literally about thirty pounds less than this picture when a doctor wrote "clinically obese" on my university physical. . So a lifetime of not accepting because I couldn't lose my bones and size. And often that frustration produced a cycle of gaining weight. As in if I couldn't be "normal" when I'm normal then why bother (the thoughts of a young mind).

Sorry OT.

I think the point is weight has nothing to do with self worth - and it takes many overweight people a long time to get this -and when someone says that they don't want to see a fat person walking. Come on - opinion or not - that's just wrong. Verging off opinion and into wrong.

And don't give me the self worth talk about getting in better shape. Everyone - overweight (overfat) and skinny fat - should be for health reasons. A given. NA has a health problem. But the more and more you feel like you're worth it - well the weight just naturally comes off anyway IMO.