desperate help needed-suggestions appreciated

I remember as a child hearing my parents say "Never borrow on your home" and "Never get a 2nd or 3rd mortgage". Well the banks here have done a great job of brainwashing so many Canadians into get Home Equity Lines of Credit, that I fear alot of Canadian own very little of the actual equity in their home. I shudder to think what will happen when interest rates go up---and yes they eventually will.
You are absolutely right. I know at least two people who got themselves into serious trouble using their house as an ATM. One managed to keep her house but the other one did not. While I think the OP should look into consolidating some of her debt, she should NOT secure that debt by taking out a home equity loan to pay it off. I would recommend that the OP call a place like Apprisen/CCCS in Canada. They can help negotiate payment plans with creditors.
 
I get a 50 percent cut on dd's sports fees by running concessions. There are some other parents who get big volunteer discounts as well. Some seem like they have a lot of money, they like to KEEP the money.

DD also uses her money to buy new equipment if needed.

Visit couponingtodisney or mrmoneymustache to see all the ways you can save$$!!!! I cut my grocery bill from over $600 per month to $300 and we eat better.
 
And that's why your country is messed up *was briefly married to a Brit, spent time there* Your taxes are outrageous, my health insurance isn't that high, my taxes are low.

Well. :rolleyes2

I'm wondering the difference in healthcare/insurance/taxes here and there. Healthcare costs in my family averages about $700-$800 a month (that's not counting dental or vision) and I know a lot of families pay out more than we do.
 
As an American who grew up with very good health insurance in the US but moved to the UK shortly after college, before I would have had to face getting my own insurance, I vastly prefer the UK for healthcare.

We have a single income but high enough hubby pays a lot of tax. There is no filing as a married couple, so since I make no income our tax burden is significantly higher than it would be in the US. On the other hand, we have health coverage pretty much no matter what. I never wonder if we can afford treatment, simply whether we need to see a doctor. And I know everyone else here can do the same. Many of my friends from school and family members spent time without health insurance between school and getting a good enough job and more than one still debates whether they can afford the co-pay and any prescription costs when a family member is ill. Medical costs are still a top cause of bankruptcy in the US, but not here.

I have sometimes had long waits for elective procedures. We went through fertility treatment and I hit long waits there, but it was all free except a few minor prescription fees (currently about £8 per prescription) and one test we chose to pay for privately due to timing. Both of my kids were delivered safely here and unexpected problems were dealt with well. The post-natal ward wasn't all cushy private rooms with great food, but the healthcare was top notch and sharing a room or even a 6 bedded bay wasn't detrimental. My sister had a totally unexpected stroke at 22 while studying here. Again, the NHS was free and provided great care. It wasn't a cushy private room and the food is, well, often pretty bad, but the healthcare was great and I still have a sister who recovered completely.
 

Well. :rolleyes2

I'm wondering the difference in healthcare/insurance/taxes here and there. Healthcare costs in my family averages about $700-$800 a month (that's not counting dental or vision) and I know a lot of families pay out more than we do.

I'm a federal employee and only insure myself *my kids are insured by their dad **also a federal employee** and I know what he pays, it's a decent deal for 5 people.

The elderly in Britain are left to die, "You're 80, you don't need a new *whatever*"

Sorry your costs are so high, that stinks.
 
Hi there,

I don't have any incredible words of wisdom, but I wanted to chime in and let you know that you are NOT alone. Many, many people have large amounts of debt and it is a really big step that you are admitting it and trying to work yourself out of it.

You CAN fix this! I agree with the PP about Dave Ramsey. Another thought (although I'm not sure of the size of your home) would be to rent a room. We have a fully finished basement apartment that we rent out. It's completely seperate from our living area and it brings in extra income that has helped us shave off some of our debt.

Another idea...what about taking in a child before/after school for extra cash. Would your illness allow you to do that? I'm sure you've tought of doing the yard sale route too. That has helped us get out of a tight spot from time to time. Selling old jewlery/gold could get you some extra cash. Do you have any craft talents? My sister has an Etsy shop and she's just starting out, but it is making a profit. Just takes a little time. Could you do any of those work at home-type jobs (stuffing envelopes or whatnot)?

I'm thinking here...I would have very hard time taking my kids out of their activities even though it seems like a no-brainer. I believe that active kids tend to stay out of trouble and can develop important life skills (no flames please). Maybe they could start paying for half of their activities and could earn money like a PP said by chores, lawn work etc.

Just want you to feel encouraged and empowered. Everyone has issues, so don't let anyone make you feel put down. You are trying to find a solution and that is admirable. Just try to take some deep breaths and take things one day at a time (or one minute at a time - LOL).

My mother struggled when we were kids to provide. We all helped out to pay for the activities we wanted to do. We also went through a spell when we had reduced lunches at school and picked up cans to get spare money. It can be embarassing, but we worked through it. She worked ALL the time, and many things were sacrificed, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Maybe you are a super photographer, you could offer to do weddings or something for budget-oriented brides. Do you have beautiful handwriting, how about calligraphy? A friend spends one night each week tending to an elderly man...he's sleeping, she's just there in case there is an emergency. She makes $10/hour. She found it through a local elder care place. With the car...do you have any of those companies that will pay you to wrap your car in an advertisement? Do you have special graphic design skills?? I have another friend that designs funeral programs on-line and he makes a great second income.

Sorry I'm so disjointed in my response. I just want you to know that things will get better. I promise. Keep your faith and believe that little steps can make a difference. This debt didn't happen overnight and it will take a long time to come out, but you CAN do it!!

Wishing you all the best and sending a prayer up for you and your family.

(((((((((Virtual Hugs))))))))))
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I'm a federal employee and only insure myself *my kids are insured by their dad **also a federal employee** and I know what he pays, it's a decent deal for 5 people.

The elderly in Britain are left to die, "You're 80, you don't need a new *whatever*"

Sorry your costs are so high, that stinks.

The elderly in Britain are not left to die! I spent many years working in nursing homes, often with patients who were there for rehab after their "whatever" was replaced. The only way in which that is a little bit true is that wait times may be higher and doctors may be more unwilling to operate on those with little chance of surviving the operation and recovery than private medicine might be. Plenty of American elderly go without amazing healthcare.

For the record, when my mother-in-law got cancer (rare type and almost never cured) she was treated by one of the world leaders in the field, received amazing care, was hospitalised when needed and received plenty of home care when she needed it. Care assistants came in 4 times a day, nurses 3 times a day and doctors when needed. The bill my father-in-law was left to face? Absolutely nothing. The NHS did not leave her to die, even though she was passed working age and was highly unlikely to survive.
 
The elderly in Britain are not left to die! I spent many years working in nursing homes, often with patients who were there for rehab after their "whatever" was replaced. The only way in which that is a little bit true is that wait times may be higher and doctors may be more unwilling to operate on those with little chance of surviving the operation and recovery than private medicine might be. Plenty of American elderly go without amazing healthcare.

For the record, when my mother-in-law got cancer (rare type and almost never cured) she was treated by one of the world leaders in the field, received amazing care, was hospitalised when needed and received plenty of home care when she needed it. Care assistants came in 4 times a day, nurses 3 times a day and doctors when needed. The bill my father-in-law was left to face? Absolutely nothing. The NHS did not leave her to die, even though she was passed working age and was highly unlikely to survive.


Hmmm ~ my ex also worked in a nursing home *and often spoke of mercy *morphine* killings that went on :sad1:

His grandmother had a low quality of life.
 
Edited - No need to get into a Single Payer healthcare fight on this thread ...
 
pigletto, you have hit the nail on the head. We are in one of those cities:-(

Part of the reason we will not rent. I do not want to subject my children to living in that sort of area and I will live like this month to month if that was my only alternative.


I understand wanting the best for your kids but here's the thing...

You won't work more because of the kids.
You won't rent because of the kids.
You won't cut the extremely high activities fees because of the kids.

You are in horrible debt and if you refuse to sacrifice anything "because of the kids" sooner or later the decision will be made for you. One of those companies you're not paying back is going to put a lien on your house and your car because frankly, it's *not* reasonable to refuse to pay your debts while blowing $500 a month on luxuries. I know it's sad to tell your kids they can't have something, but you can't afford that, not really. You are going to have to break the mindset of being able to afford those things because right now you just can't- not while being responsible financially.
 
Hmmm ~ my ex also worked in a nursing home *and often spoke of mercy *morphine* killings that went on :sad1:

His grandmother had a low quality of life.

And how many in America are left to die because they can't pay the outrageous costs...think about that for a while

Could you afford $22,000 in medical bills every year? If you don't think this is a problem just remember karma.

OP. I feel you. We are considered upper middle class living paycheck to
Paycheck because of medical bills And a high COL. I've been sick for a long time and we've had around $150,000 in medical bills over that time (with "excellent" insurance)

Luckily, we are still above water.....But we had to cut things drastically when the medical bills started piling up.

We don't go out to eat. New clothes are bought only 2 or 3 times a year. And what's usually bought is sale or clearance items. We don't buy new TVs or new electronics until it is absolutely necessary. I have had my dell for about 3 years now and yes it's not as "nice" as other laptops but it works fine and I won't get a new one until it stops working. Same with TVs. We still have a tube TV in our family room because it still works. We've had it for about 7 years I think. No new DVD players (ours are about 7 years old as well).

Food for us is expensive because I have 12+ allergies so we have to buy a lot of specialty items (ex: brown rice flour- $12/bag). It's hard to budget there but we've cut out "extras" like chips, sodas, etc.
Gas, we have cut down on by consolidating trips. We try to run errands once a week (groceries, target, etc). Luckily where we live everything is pretty close together.

I agree with getting the kids to help. I am in college and when I was working (can't now because of health reasons), i helped with the medical bills (mainly because they are mine). In addition, when I got unclaimed property money, I helped pay off my car that my parents had bought me when my old car was recalled. These were bigger chunks of cash than what your kids will obviously be able to do but when I was younger we had to "earn" our activities so they can contribute towards those if they ant to take part.

Is it easy...no. Is it fun...no. Does it stink sometimes because you can't do everything...yes. Believe me...I go to school in a very wealthy area and it can be hard to not have designer everything or hav all the extras but you know what, we have a house, food, and healthcare. Those at the three most important things to me and really all you need.

Good luck OP. I have faith that if you really are determined to do this, you can do it.
 
Sorry, I haven't read through the whole thread so this might be posted already. A lot of community churches have a food share where you can buy a box of seasonal groceries for good deals. I know in our town it is every two weeks. They buy from from warehouses like Real Canadian Wholesale Club and then divide them between the registered families. It is not a food bank or welfare, just a good way to save. Also depending on what province you are in grocery shopping bill can be cut quickly. Are you a member of Freecycle? Sometimes you can find new clothes and furniture that someone else doesn't want for free. I read somewhere that you were worried about mixing sexes in one bedroom. In Ontario siblings of different sexes are allowed to share a room until the eldest in the room becomes 12 without them sicking the CAS on you. God Bless.

Wow, that's something I never considered...that there would be laws against opposite sex siblings sharing a room.
 
A big hug to you from KY.

This is a long thread so I don't know if someone mentioned this. I could only read all the way through pages 1,2 and 7.

I would take a look at the grocery side of the house. it's not a huge amount of money to save, but if you have convenience foods that you buy, perhaps you can find a way to make them from scratch and then freeze them. With you both working and the kids' activities, I know you don't have as much time on your hands as I potentially have as a SAHM. I think it is admirable that you don't have restaurant meals when most folks run through a McDonald's on the way to soccer practice.

I make cold cut sandwiches with french bread loaves, cut them and then wrap them into individual servings. If you don't put mayo or veggies on them, you can even put them in the freezer. We have even taken these as our contribution to snack on game day. Every parent thinks I spent a lot, but the loaf was day old and the lunch meat was the least expensive I could get.

The crockpot. Oven baked chicken nuggets. I make a 20# turkey at least once a month for our family of 6. Then that turkey becomes 4+ meals. It costs me $25 for it. I do tend to make larger cuts of meat either in the oven or in the crockpot and then break them down to multiple meals. Beans and rice. I did a search for it during lent and one website had cuban, cajun, mexican...all the basics, but each with different seasonings. Most of these meals can be reheated rather quickly.

I disagree about making kids get jobs for their activities in general. If a child is the one pushing for more and more, then they need to offset the cost. DD15 just started babysitting, but the job is across town. Our van is very efficient on fuel, but she is expected to put in $5 towards the round trip each time. As this is an every weekend job and often both days, it teaches her the cost. And usually her brothers are driving her.

We don't give an allowance to our kids, but they are expected to do their chores. We expect good grades (give your best to everything and you will succeed), communication and that's why they didn't get jobs. but they do know we have a maximum budget for certain types of activities and once they hit that, it's over...Whether you take them out of all sports or just a couple of activities, they will have to know how much it costs. Sometimes just showing them the fees chart, uniform and all that, they choose to give up something that is not really giving them all the enjoyment it used to.

No matter what happens, giving up cable, cutting a phone line, buying a different brand of cheese...your children do need to know that things are going to change.

I don't know what grocery stores you have in your area. We visited Victoria in 2004 (different ratio on the us/can $ then; eh) and only saw boutiques and whatnot. If there is a discount grocery, maybe check them out. but be warned, sometimes it's not a great deal. I used to think, oh, it was only a dollar...until I found out the bigger store had a better quality item for 89¢.

Check out the DeStash and Debt Dumpers threads for ideas that will work for you and definitely get a professional who can tell you the leagalities and pros/cons of all your options.

You made the first step! You admitted the problem publically.
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Edited - No need to get into a Single Payer healthcare fight on this thread ...

Agreed. I'm sorry for my part in that. I would be happy to discuss it in another thread, but it doesn't belong in this one.

To the OP, you do need to make some serious changes. You seem to have made some little changes, and building on those will get you out of this situation.
 
I completely understand your concern for your children and what they may have to give up/go through as a result of changes that have to be made. However, put very bluntly, it would be better for you to make the choices about what they will give up now voluntarily rather than waiting until things get so bad that they end up losing everything.

Here's a silver lining to my mind, if you are able to include your children in this process (at an age appropriate level) it would be giving them an amazing life lesson. If they see you identify a problem, explain it clearly, brainstorm solutions and work a plan, it would be role modeling for them how to handle what life hands us sometimes. I don't believe in burdening children (and I'm sorry I don't remember how old yours are) with adult problems *but* every person has to make choices in life on how we handle what gets thrown at us. Your children would be blessed to watch you tackle this head on with responsibility and dignity.

I very sincerely wish you the best!
 
Do you live in a major city? If you do I suggest putting an ad on Craigslist for English conversation classes. I charge $35 an hour for someone to come over and just chat. It's easy simple money . Three hours a week would definitely help!
 
Wow, that's something I never considered...that there would be laws against opposite sex siblings sharing a room.

There isn't government legislation that disallows it, but there are Children's Aid Society guidelines mainly for foster children, etc. that are used in courts with custody, etc. Kids of the opposite sex sharing a room only usually become an problem if are other issues that might make sharing a room a bad idea.

With Ontario Human Rights laws as well, family traditions have to be taken into account. Many people share a family bed. Many people have multiple generations sharing a home and bedrooms. That's their culture. To disallow something like that could become a discrimination issue.

So, anyways, OP, if you had to, for financial reason, put the kids in bunk beds in the same bedroom, the cops wouldn't be knocking on your door waiting to arrest you. So it is an option if you need to go that route!

Good luck with everything. Don't have anything to add to the great advice you've been given, except I totally understand where you are coming from with the sports. My daughter is a National Level competitor in a more specialized sport - we've given up lots to keep her going in it! If I could turn back the clock and put her in something else I would. I blame my husband. He's the athlete of the family that my kids got their talent from! :rotfl:

I will pm you when I get a chance.
 
Do you live in a major city? If you do I suggest putting an ad on Craigslist for English conversation classes. I charge $35 an hour for someone to come over and just chat. It's easy simple money . Three hours a week would definitely help!

Wow - that's amazing! Unfortunately we don't live in a major city, but what a great idea.

OP, one other thing I thought of, there are a lot of shift workers (nurses, etc.) that need someone to look after their kids on night shifts. My mom did this temporarily for a neighbour that was stuck long ago. The neighbour brought her daughter over when it was time for bed (in her PJs) and picked her up in the morning. Not too inconvenient for you or your family. Or you could offer to go to someone's house and sleep there so their kids could go to sleep in their own bed.
 







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