DD 9 gave a boy a bloody nose

[TinkBoo&ElliesMum]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
In our school

This one time, at band camp............

DS has taken karate too, injuries happen, she obviously didn't mean to and felt bad about it. Life will go on!

I'm all in favor of kids knowing self defence and using it as needed. I did once when I was 10 and got a lecture from a cop A guy grabbed our Japanese exchange student and wouldn't let her go, so one of the other girls stomped on his foot, then I kneed him hard, he threw up (and let her go), cops told me not to do it so hard. They were just having sympathy pain.

 

[sha_lyn]

This one time, at band camp............

WTH... so as a Martial Arts instructor I am not allowed to have an opinion in the matter?

 

[Toby'sFriend]

sure Sha_Lyn, as usual have all the opinions you want. Others just happen to disagree with them. No big deal.

I don't have a kid in karate right now, but I'm considering it once soccer ends for my 11yo.

It does sound as if either they, or the school in general is overly aggressive.

I don't think so at all. When I sign my kids up for contact sports, I expect bumps and bruises. Noses bleed pretty easily and I'm sure it probably looked much worse than it was.

All the sparring I've witnessed has included contact and the more advanced they get the harder the contact becomes. I've taken self defense classes for women and one of the main points has always been teaching women that when you hit -- you hit like you mean it. I really do think some sort of defense training is a very good thing for girls and boys to have.

 

[ElizK]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
Where does the OP say that? The OP said her other DD pick a boy up and threw him 2 times.

I never called either of the OP's a brute. It does sound as if either they, or the school in general is overly aggressive. Karate is a learning experience, not a street fight. New students will not learn if they are not matched up with higher level students. However the instructor should not put inexperienced students with experienced students who do not adjust to the level of the person they are sparring.

I would really like to know what rank/Gup level both girls are, and the boys they injured.



As a Martial Arts instructor I know that Karate is not ballet. I also know that a beginner youth student in class should not be expecting to be hit hard, or in the face. The only thing they will learn is that they don't like Martial Arts.

MT2 was talking about two completely different incidents. (yes, I know this to be a fact. My DD is in the same karate class). In one incident a couple of months ago her DD flipped a kid. In a seperate incident yesterday she bopped this different child in the face. You are correct, there should not have been facial contact. The instructor does not allow that. He stopped the sparring, checked him out, and called the DD for facial contact. MT2's DD did not intend to hurt him. They were in full pads (including on their hands). They are still learning control.

 

[ElizK]

In addition to my above comments, I know MT2's DDs personally. These are two very caring, very compassionate girls. They would never ever intentionally hurt anybody. Their only fault in karate class is enthusiasm. NOT aggression.

Boy, Sha_lyn, you really steamed me up!!!

 

[sha_lyn]

ElizK ...Glad to know that face contact is not allowed. I was really beginning to wonder about this school. Then of course I knew that those who said the student should have expected to be hit in the face don't seem to have any Martial Arts experience. The attitude here of "way to go" is what really bothers me. I'm glad to know that neither the school, or the DD's have that attitude.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Both DD's went to karate last night. They were so excited because they were going to be sparing. Well, 1st DD gets up and takes her stance against a new boy in class. They each deliver a few light blows when she lands a good one. He stops in his tracks. I thought he was okay. DD is just standing there looking slightly surprised but fine.

The instructor calls us over and he is crying and bleeding. I go get ice and another dad gets some towels. After 10 minutes or so he is okay. Class continues without a hitch.

When class was over, I asked DD if she hit him hard. She burst out in tears. She kept saying,"I didn't hit him hard at all. Why didn't he block. He's supposed to block!!" I finally got her calmed down. And all was well.

This comes on the heels of another karate incident where my other DD knocked the wind out of another boy. They were learning throws. This boy was not there the day they learned how to fall/land with one of this throws. She picked him up and flipped him good. TWICE!

It has to make me proud that they can grasp a new technique fast. I hope that the boys can learn quickly too or my DD's will deck them again. I think my DD's are going to be just fine when they get to date at 30. LOL

Way to go!!!

 

[tandrjohn]

Or as GWB would say: "Bring 'em on!"

 

[mt2]

I missed out on some stuff when I take my DS to the Peditrician.

Sha-lyn - I didn't explain myself well enough. I'm sorry about that. My brain tends to go much faster than I can type and I think that things are already there when they are not. DD#1 hit the boy in the face by accident. She felt awful (as did I). The instructor did call her on that. Plus the instructor has been teaching them techniques to block and such. When they spar they are supposed to use these techniques but sometimes they forget.

DD#2 was the one that flipped the boy about a month ago. The instructor stopped the flipping to show them again how to curl (or what ever it's called) so they don't get hurt. They were told to start again but this boy did the exact opposite again. The instructor then switched the partners so both of my DD's were against each other. The flipping then became harder to do and the landings were better.

I'm glad that my DD's are confident enough now to go into a situation and they are not afraid ( or timid, feel silly, etc.) to do what is expected of them. I want them to be able to defend themselves against someone (child or adult) that would do them harm. The instructor also drills into them that this is for defense only. He teaches them different ways to get out of a bad situation WITHOUT violence. Violence is a last resort.

I hope that I have cleared things up some concerning the situation. Again, my brain is going faster than my typing.

Thanks Elizk for clearing this up while I was at the Drs.

Happy Thoughts to all,

mt2


I forgot to say that the boys seem to take a bit longer to learn these things. The one boy's (the one that got flipped) joined the group 9 months later and is moving at a faster pace than he is. Maybe he isn't interested at the girls are?

 

[sha_lyn]

I forgot to say that the boys seem to take a bit longer to learn these things. The one boy's (the one that got flipped) joined the group 9 months later and is moving at a faster pace than he is. Maybe he isn't interested at the girls are?

There are many things that could be going on. What age group is this?
Some things that I have expereinced in class are


boys don't mature as quick as girls. Sometimes they don't have the focus, or even the coordination that girls do.

Attention problems.... I've found that some students (usually boys but DD has the same problem) need to have more than one thing to focus on because if they don't their minds will wander. One studnet I acutually have to give about 4 things to think about at once... ie... hand position, foot position, target area etc.

We have one student that is afraid to hit the girls.

We have a few that just do not like to touch or be touched, be it in sparring, holds and releases etc. sometimes they over come this, other times it is just part of their nature.


mt2 ... no problem. I'm sorry that I took out my agravation caused by some posters out on your OP and your DDs.

 

[mt2]

No problem. I'm a duck.

I meant to say that the boy's sister. I left the word sister out.

I seem to cause minor problems with a couple of threads I've started. I never mean too but it seems to take on a lift of its own. I need to think before I leap (post).LOL

I hope that you have a great day!!

mt2

 

[sha_lyn]

LOL... I know what you mean. I've had some very innocent things taken completely out of context before.


So his sister started 9 months later, but is porgressing fast.
we actually have 2 brothers in our school. One started right around his 6th birthday, 8 months later his brother started at age 5 (5 was the min age in the school at the time). It has been about 1 yr 10 months for the older, and a little over a yr for the younger. the younger brother is at nearly the same skill level as the older.

DS has advanced very quickly. he is a red belt (2 gup) now, and we have been at the school 2 yrs as of last week. He has caught up with the students that have been with our MI for 3 1/2 years.

The older brother mentioned above passed DD early on. She was a white advanced (9gup)with 2 months seniority when he started, but it took her 9 months to get her yellow(8 gup) belt. She has since caught up with and then passed him in rank. They are now both blue belts (5 gup) but DD tested for blue a month before he did.

 

[dizagain]

I had fun watching my own DD's Martial Arts class last night too! She's 8 and has taken classes - only one a week - since January. She doesn't like the sparring but LOVES Judo. She had to go against this HUGE boy in both - she got him in each event, but she wasn't even trying in the sparring. He probably wasn't either. Then in Judo, she was on fire and grinning the whole time! She beat that boy and had to go against the toughest guy in class. He got all the points, but she was having a ball and really giving him a run for his money.

It's so much fun to watch the kids - a little scary, though! I love it for the self confidence my DD has gained. Her older sister seems to be one of those kids who excells at everything and this is something she hasn't done so it's special. This has done wonders for younger DD and I hope she sticks with it for awhile.

I'm so glad your girls are learning and enjoying the sport too...we never seem to have more than one or two girls in a class!

 

[JayBee]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
WTH... so as a Martial Arts instructor I am not allowed to have an opinion in the matter?

I'm curious....how long have you been an instuctor?

 

[sha_lyn]

DS and I were given a class in Jan to teach. He actually our ranks me, so I am his assitant. We were given 2 more classes the first of this month. DS and I were also set to start day classes in the school (as independent contractors running our own program) this month, but due to several reasons (our auto accident in july and the school having to move to a new location due to our old building being bought by the city to change the intersection) we have put it off until Jan.

 

[Serena]

My daughter's sensei was very good. But sometimes accidents happen. If it is with someone at her same level and he forgets to block, then the sensei will tell him he'd better catch on.

He put the kids with more experienced people for the challenge, put them with kids less experienced for learning caution and patience, and put them with people at the same level so they can learn from each other and let go a little.

If the person forgot to block more than once, sensei would make them practice more, usually alone with someone assisting.

It was a great learning experience for her in a lot of ways. I wish she was able to be still in it.