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UPDATED ARTICLE... MOST is known but a few insights to thinking at this time...

When Mickey Mouse took to the high seas six years ago, there were plenty of skeptics.

But Mickey and the Disney Cruise Line that bears his colors have emerged as respected players in the competitive cruise business. Now, encouraged by brisk business in Florida and an industrywide expansion, Walt Disney Co. is exploring ways to transport Mickey's family-oriented cruises beyond the Sunshine State.

Disney Cruise Line will inaugurate its first West Coast cruises out of the Port of Los Angeles next year with the 2,600-passenger Disney Magic ship, which now sails from Port Canaveral. Ostensibly, the voyages to Mexico, running May through August, are being offered to mark the 50th anniversary of Disneyland.

There's another reason: to test the waters for regular land-to-sea packages tied to the Disneyland Resort. Disney also is contemplating cruises in the Mediterranean and from Hong Kong, where the company is building a Disneyland theme park set to open in 2005.

"You really have to look at the cruise business as a prototype of how we see our future growth," said Disney parks and resorts chief Jay Rasulo. "Definitely, it's an expansion vehicle for us."

Some say Disney has no time to waste. It once cornered the market on family-friendly cruises. But industry leaders Carnival and Royal Caribbean have been making steady inroads into that lucrative niche and continue to add ships each year.

"They don't have the same competitive advantage that they once did," said Andy Vladimir, associate professor emeritus of hospitality management at Florida International University in Miami and co-author of a book on the cruise industry. "The big problem for Disney is this market in many ways is driven by new ships."

Disney Cruise Line operates out of Port Canaveral, with two ships -- Disney Magic and Disney Wonder -- that offer three- and four-night cruises to the Bahamas as well as seven-day itineraries to the Caribbean.

Expanding that fleet wouldn't be easy.

A ship takes about three years to build and can cost about $500 million -- or the equivalent of five major feature films. It's unclear whether Disney, which is facing heavy pressure from shareholders to boost profit, has the appetite to take on such a huge investment alone or even with partners.

Disney hasn't committed to building a third ship. President Bob Iger recently indicated that ship construction in Europe right now would be especially expensive given the weakness of the dollar against the euro.

That said, Disney sees cruising as ripe for growth.

Since 1980, the cruise industry has had an average annual passenger growth rate of 8 percent, according to the Cruise Lines International Association. The group estimates that only 15 percent of the target cruise population in the United States has ever cruised.

Southern California in particular represents a potentially attractive market for Disney.

The company's West Coast cruises already are more than 50 percent booked, and two Panama Canal cruises between Port Canaveral and Los Angeles virtually sold out within a few days.

Although Disney doesn't break out numbers for its cruise line, analysts estimate that the business generates at least $100 million a year in operating income and has proved resilient during the travel slump that has pummeled the firm's theme park division during the past three years.

Iger said recently that the Disney Cruise Line, which was launched in the late 1990s with an eye toward drawing more visitors to Walt Disney World, enjoyed the highest load levels in the business and that its bookings were running 65 percent over last year.

The line's steady growth is welcome news for a company that has faced criticism this year from investors over struggles at its ABC broadcast network, where ratings are low, and conflicts with longtime business partners, including Pixar Animation Studios.

"The sense when they started was, why are they doing this?" said Sanford C. Bernstein analyst Tom Wolzien. "But it's turned out surprisingly well."

Orlando Sentinel
 
Thanks for that - very interesting article. Not sure about the Med Cruise though...............there are SO MANY other cruise ships in that area, and VERY MUCH cheaper than Disney would be. However, I think many CM would appreciate a "change of scenery", and most of them would be much nearer to home and maybe their familes would be able to cruise on Disney at last. I know we have Disneyland Paris in Europe, but it still suffers from bad weather and various other problems that are not found in Florida/Caribbean. I suspect a Med cruise would only attract more localized trade, as the flights from USA/Canada would deter many existing cruisers. Europe is VERY MUCH more expensive than USA/Caribbean, as any travellers will tell you. Yes, there would be many more Europeans cruising with Disney for the first time, but as we well know...............many of our fellow Europeans will not pay the inflated prices that Disney charge. We will watch with interest. Nat:Pinkbounc
 
YES, IT IS CORRECT TO SAY<-

Europe is expensive at present re the exchange rate, but not always so.

Paris, I do not think they would be able to link the Disneyland Paris park with the cruise, the best weather is in the south of France and the park is in the northof France. However trips accross the channel to the UK could be popular visiting the UK, sseing a Disney ship up the Thames to London would be nice.

Likley they would go out of Palma, Majorcia, in Spain and have a week long cruise.

Yes lots of competition in the Med and limited to summer trips, most of the ships in the Med move to the Carribean for the winter.

I perosnaly think they would do more West coast first, then Alaska, then maybe Hawaii first before the Med.

However the article confirms they havent made any bookings for new ships, as yet, stopping a lot of rummours!
 
Back in September 2002, DCL asked many former cruise passengers to take a survey about their interest in 7-night Disney cruises in Europe in Summer 2004. Obviously, DCL did not go ahead with the idea.

Itinerary:
Sunday - Barcelona, Spain
Monday - Cannes, France
Tuesday - Livorno (Florence), Italy
Wednesday - Civitavecchia (Rome), Italy
Thursday - Naples, Italy
Friday - Day at sea
Saturday - Palma de Mallorca, Spain
Sunday - Barcelona, Spain

For a long thread on this subject, see http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=269892
 

Originally posted by Andrew DEREK UK
Disney hasn't committed to building a third ship. President Bob Iger recently indicated that ship construction in Europe right now would be especially expensive given the weakness of the dollar against the euro.
Okay, so here's my question: how about using JAPANESE ship yards (especially if the new ship ends up in California)?? How is the dollar against the Yen (versus the Euro)??
 
Originally posted by Horace Horsecollar

Itinerary:
Sunday - Barcelona, Spain
Monday - Cannes, France
Tuesday - Livorno (Florence), Italy
Wednesday - Civitavecchia (Rome), Italy
Thursday - Naples, Italy
Friday - Day at sea
Saturday - Palma de Mallorca, Spain
Sunday - Barcelona, Spain

Whilst I know in the carribean other cruise lines offrer the same itineries as DCL, I can think of three different cruise lines already doing the above itinerary, and they would be a lot cheaper than DCL.

The Med is very crowded at the moment and I know two cruise lines discounting by up to 50% for peak summer trips so I do not think it would be profitable for DCL, with the added fact Disneyland Paris is at the other end of France.


I think that if and when they commit to a new ship it will be at California and could alternate with Alaska in the winter.

Possiblly there could be one there and back to Europe.

The other issue is DCL is not promoted very well in the UK, from the 'West coast issue'this year, fewer brouchures carry DCL cruises and therefore 'awareness' is limited.

On the other side awareness of Carnival and Royal carribean for example has never been higher, and I feel less people from UK and Europe will go on a DCL cruise now due to lack of foresight on DCL's side.

However in general UK holiday makers help Disney a lot, and the pound being high against the dollar at this time makes USA very attractive, other cruise lines have spotted this and have made specail arrangements, like linking up with extra embarkation ports, for direct connections to the UK.

WDW itself is excellent at marketing to the UK public and their adverts run regularly, more often than Disneyland Paris.

Seaworld and Universal seem to target UK custom well.
 

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