MinnieMSue
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Hope it works for you! Please come back and let us know your experience.
I will. It will be an experience I’m sure. Hopefully the crowds are down a bit
Hope it works for you! Please come back and let us know your experience.
While rollators are most welcome, cane seats are not (as seats) as they are fairly unstable and Disney does not want people to fall, get injured, and/or potentially block attraction lines or interrupt regular, non-emergency park operations.Rollators are allowed. I used one in November. A CM will take it right before loading and it will be waiting where you exit the ride. My husband grabbed mine for me after we rode.
I believe the updates on Disney’s disability page now specifically mention cane seats as an option.While rollators are most welcome, cane seats are not (as seats) as they are fairly unstable and Disney does not want people to fall, get injured, and/or potentially block attraction lines or interrupt regular, non-emergency park operations.
I believe the updates on Disney’s disability page now specifically mention cane seats as an option.
It’s under Accessing Attraction QueuesCan you find it? I thought so too, but I can't find it. But my computer skills are not all that great.
That’s the most salient point of the changes to me - limiting DAS party size automatically eliminates the large groups using a DAS as a touring plan instead of as a legitimate disability accomodation. I’d think, based on reports we’ve heard, that that change alone will cut down the number of people in LLs on its own.I mean they can certainly limit how many people come with you from now on.
Wholeheartedly agree, and consistent with my comment on equal protection under the law earlier in this thread.If Disney is going with a Rider Swap accommodation for SOME disabilities that preclude traditional queues, I fail to see why it shouldn't be the answer for ALL disabilities that preclude traditional queues. A family with an autistic child who can't tolerate a queue can rider swap just the same as a family including someone with physical or anxiety issues.
Whoever can't queue waits elsewhere (with another family member if desired/needed). Exceptions for parties of 1 or 2, or parties where there are only 2 adults with kids under 13 and one adult is needed to care for the other adult outside the queue.
If it is to be the plan for one disability, it can be the plan for all. That's fair.
I'll tell you that I probably have 20 ppl. and I have no idea how that would somehow "identify" me as an abuser. I don't see how it correlates at all. It just means we've gone to Disney with different ppl. and groups throughout the years. Certainly if you think you'll mess up someone's plans who's on your list, take them off, but I don't see this as anything to do with das.That’s the most salient point of the changes to me - limiting DAS party size automatically eliminates the large groups using a DAS as a touring plan instead of as a legitimate disability accomodation. I’d think, based on reports we’ve heard, that that change alone will cut down the number of people in LLs on its own.
I’m not sure how it works at the backend of the tech, but I do know that the CM can see my Friends & Family list, because each time I’ve renewed my DAS they ask if I’d like to add as a rider a friend who’s still linked to me but hasn’t actually been to WDW in many years. So they can see if the DAS holder has dozens of people in their F&F list and that may help identify abusers? IDK what “normal” looks like for the average Disney Guest in that regard: I currently have 6 people in my F&F list and feel it’s too many - too much potential for me to accidentally mess up someone else’s plans! - but do others typically have a lot?
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As an aside to all, but especially anyone worried about reduced DAS access and/or wanting to see how they’re able to do without using it - I cannot recommend enough using a non-Disney app for more realistic wait times. I don’t work for any one of them: not plugging something for personal gain! But I’ve used one for as long as it’s been in existence and it makes a HUGE difference in determining what I can manage with or without DAS. Disney’s official wait times are ridiculously inflated much of the time, to the tune of an official wait saying 60 mins when in reality it may only be 20. Having that info is largely why I use DAS pretty sparingly most visits.
I agree - I just looked at my list - it is relatively long because over the years I’ve traveled with different groups of family members, I’ve always been in charge of planning and I just never thought to clean it up.I'll tell you that I probably have 20 ppl. and I have no idea how that would somehow "identify" me as an abuser. I don't see how it correlates at all. It just means we've gone to Disney with different ppl. and groups throughout the years. Certainly if you think you'll mess up someone's plans who's on your list, take them off, but I don't see this as anything to do with das.
I can explain why that I don't think a blanket rule like that wouldn't work for my family.If Disney is going with a Rider Swap accommodation for SOME disabilities that preclude traditional queues, I fail to see why it shouldn't be the answer for ALL disabilities that preclude traditional queues. A family with an autistic child who can't tolerate a queue can rider swap just the same as a family including someone with physical or anxiety issues.
Whoever can't queue waits elsewhere (with another family member if desired/needed). Exceptions for parties of 1 or 2, or parties where there are only 2 adults with kids under 13 and one adult is needed to care for the other adult outside the queue.
If it is to be the plan for one disability, it can be the plan for all. That's fair.
I don’t think it will be “limiting DAS party sizes” so much as it will be limiting the number of people in a DAS party who are allowed into the LL. For example, a “DAS party” could still be a party of 6 adults, including the DAS holder who has IBS (for example) and the accommodation could be that the DAS holder is allowed to enter the LL with one other member of the DAS party, provided that some of the other members of the party have first done the ride using the standby line. This would accommodate the disability as well as allow the party to take turns with who gets to ride with whom.That’s the most salient point of the changes to me - limiting DAS party size automatically eliminates the large groups using a DAS as a touring plan instead of as a legitimate disability accomodation. I’d think, based on reports we’ve heard, that that change alone will cut down the number of people in LLs on its own.
I’m not sure how it works at the backend of the tech, but I do know that the CM can see my Friends & Family list, because each time I’ve renewed my DAS they ask if I’d like to add as a rider a friend who’s still linked to me but hasn’t actually been to WDW in many years. So they can see if the DAS holder has dozens of people in their F&F list and that may help identify abusers? IDK what “normal” looks like for the average Disney Guest in that regard: I currently have 6 people in my F&F list and feel it’s too many - too much potential for me to accidentally mess up someone else’s plans! - but do others typically have a lot?
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As an aside to all, but especially anyone worried about reduced DAS access and/or wanting to see how they’re able to do without using it - I cannot recommend enough using a non-Disney app for more realistic wait times. I don’t work for any one of them: not plugging something for personal gain! But I’ve used one for as long as it’s been in existence and it makes a HUGE difference in determining what I can manage with or without DAS. Disney’s official wait times are ridiculously inflated much of the time, to the tune of an official wait saying 60 mins when in reality it may only be 20. Having that info is largely why I use DAS pretty sparingly most visits.
What you describe happens to many families. When rider swap doesn't work out for families they don't ride whatever attraction.I can explain why that I don't think a blanket rule like that wouldn't work for my family.
We are two parents and a child who has used DAS. Child is 11, so as I understand it, Disney feels that is old enough to wait in a queue alone and ride alone. In your example, Rider Swap would be our accommodation.
For a normal ride, one parent waits with child while other parent waits in line. After ride, first parent and child ride. Got it, that's fair, if not a great family vacation.
However, specifically for my family, one parent will not ride any "thrill" rides, defined fairly loosely. Anything with a real drop is out, from Barnstormer and Slinky and up. Trackless or simulators like Rise and FOP are OK.
So for these rides where we have 1 parent who will ride, 1 who will not and child with accommodation, we have a few options -
This may very well be the accommodation offered, and if so, I would at least explain the above. Perhaps Disney IT is working on a more limited or targeted system. If not and this was the only accommodation, we would likely skip (or drop rope) as much of these rides as possible, only if rope drop is possible on those days based on child.
- Riding parent waits standby, child uses rider swap. This doesn't seem like much of a solution - just because Disney feels 7 years old is old enough, we don't feel that our child with a disability should be waiting on a line alone.
- Non-riding parent waits standby but uses the chicken exit, then riding parent and child ride. This is just silly.
- We skip this ride.
Considering I specifically said we'd make it work if that was the offered accommodation, I'm not sure what your point is here.I know I brought it up not even that long ago but truly some of these situations people are saying "it doesn't work for my traveling party" need (and I say this respectfully) to understand that it's the reality for many traveling parties that go to any theme park.
----Hit reply before typing----Considering I specifically said we'd make it work if that was the offered accommodation, I'm not sure what your point is here.
If this is the reality for many traveling parties, including a child who has issues waiting in queues which I won't delve into, then I would suggest that a blanket rider swap doesn't work for those families either.
Depending on the situation it may be using the return to line system.And exactly how will rider swap work for solo adults, or for parties of 2 adults where one is needed to be the caregiver for the other?
If Disney is going with a Rider Swap accommodation for SOME disabilities that preclude traditional queues, I fail to see why it shouldn't be the answer for ALL disabilities that preclude traditional queues. A family with an autistic child who can't tolerate a queue can rider swap just the same as a family including someone with physical or anxiety issues.
Whoever can't queue waits elsewhere (with another family member if desired/needed). Exceptions for parties of 1 or 2, or parties where there are only 2 adults with kids under 13 and one adult is needed to care for the other adult outside the queue.
If it is to be the plan for one disability, it can be the plan for all. That's fair.
My guess is when you do the interview for DAS they will probably set up Rider Swap if that's what they deem works for your party.I have two concerns with this - one I have mentioned before.
We are a party of 3 and I only use the DAS for attractions where I want to ride with my dd's. So, this leaves one dd in line, one with me and then two of us riding again. In this case I will just go back to skipping not only the attractions I can't ride but also those with lines my DAS addresses like I did pre-DAS.
Second - it would have to be like a DAS in some way that would give you pre-approval for RS and indicate this to the CM via MB/MDE. Otherwise, we are stuck explaining issues/conditions to the attractions CM's, in a more public setting, anytime we want to experience an attraction using RS.