D23 Predictions

[wilkeliza]

Not true. The Disney Channels are also showing significant drops in viewership, which is a huge problem since they don't rely on commercial revenue. Disney's entire Cable division is facing headwinds. They are all still contributing to the bottom line, but the trends are not pretty. The Parks, Cinema, and Merchandise divisions are bright spots right now, but I think Disney realizes they need to continue to invest to continue those trends.

Ok Disney channel and ESPN. Still the company isn't facing financial ruin any time soon. (Especially with MCU and SW continuing to bring in the money).

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The competition is the biggest reason I see them actually putting money into the parks. I was just saying it isn't like they don't have the money to spend because attendance is down. Heck attendance being down plus it going up at Universal would be the biggest push to spend that extra cash. They won't be able to survive on SW alone since a lot of the SW crowd would be perfectly happy doing 1 day or 2 days at DHS and then going over to Uni if they are super hero and potterheads. Disney has got to get back into the game full on again or Universal will surpass them in the next 10 years. Maybe not full percentages since their parks are smaller at the moment but even in the last 5 years I've had some of the most hard core Disney fans (including myself) start to shave off days of vacation for Universal. Heck even though we felt nickled and dimed over there we at least felt like our money got us something and the Team members were all spectacular.

If universal could get to 40% of market share...even if disney had 55% still...the damage to Disney's books would be catastrophic...

They need 75% or at least 65% to keep the gravy train on the tracks...

That property next to the convention center is the most important piece of swamp in Orlando since the Bronson tract in 1965...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Ok Disney channel and ESPN. Still the company isn't facing financial ruin any time soon. (Especially with MCU and SW continuing to bring in the money).

Financial ruin no...but you're overestimating just how healthy their outlook is right now.

We are in a bull market and discretionary spending is off the charts right now...that's shielding a lot of the danger disney is encountering.

 

[umichigan10]

Once the asteroid passes zero barrier...the destruction is absolute.

That's why Michael bay will train drillers to be astronauts to destroy it. Not the other way around

 

[lockedoutlogic]

That's why Michael bay will train drillers to be astronauts to destroy it. Not the other way around

I'm not gonna rely on ben affleck to save my kids lives, thank you very much...

He drinks more than me and beer Dave combined...

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I understand it is a kid coaster, but Disney did advertise it as an E-ticket attraction I believe. That would definitely explain the long waits in my mind. To be honest, I still don't know why it has that much of a wait. I wouldn't wait more than 40 minutes for it. I will gladly let Tron come in.

guess it depends on the definition used by "E-Ticket" ... is it for the largest, most intense rides? Or the most popular?

When WDW first opened it took a "E-ticket" to get on It's a Small World - but I don't think anyone would consider that an "E-Ticket" attraction by today's standards ... but, if Disney were to go back to ticket books I am sure it would take an "E Ticket" to get on 7DMT

 

[lockedoutlogic]

guess it depends on the definition used by "E-Ticket" ... is it for the largest, most intense rides? Or the most popular?

When WDW first opened it took a "E-ticket" to get on It's a Small World - but I don't think anyone would consider that an "E-Ticket" attraction by today's standards ... but, if Disney were to go back to ticket books I am sure it would take an "E Ticket" to get on 7DMT

The original "e" tickets...back when we had tickets...was a measure of popularity/notoriety/draw more than quality of the ride...
...the more modern (eisnerian) designation is usually associated with the attraction type and investment..

So while midway mania and mine train fit the old definition...I don't believe they fit the modern one.

 

[umichigan10]

He added an extra word or two between "shut" and "up" though

I'm not gonna rely on ben affleck to save my kids lives, thank you very much...

He drinks more than me and beer Dave combined...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Just to give you an idea of crap presented as fact...check this out from the Cringe worthy "Orlando weekly"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2017/07/10/everything-disney-will-likely-announce-at-this-weekends-d23?media=AMP+HTML

Not only do they quote jim hill...but they present dozens of quack theories dreamed up by fan boys and present them as fact...

#fakenews

 

[SaharanTea]

Just to give you an idea of crap presented as fact...check this out from the Cringe worthy "Orlando weekly"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2017/07/10/everything-disney-will-likely-announce-at-this-weekends-d23?media=AMP+HTML

Not only do they quote jim hill...but they present dozens of quack theories dreamed up by fan boys and present them as fact...

#fakenews

There are 25 matches for the word "rumor" on that page. While you may not think discussing rumors is worth the effort for the Orlando Weekly (or a forum on Disboards that literally has Rumors in its title), it's not exactly presented as fact. Most semi-intelligent people know that tagging an item with rumor means it's somewhere between maybe and "yeah right."

I see far more warnings that rumors aren't completed attractions on this board than I do people taking those same rumors and burying them in their backyards to see what grows.

The title is pretty click-baity, but that's par for the course with titles these days (don't get me started on that).

 

[lockedoutlogic]

There are 25 matches for the word "rumor" on that page. While you may not think discussing rumors is worth the effort for the Orlando Weekly (or a forum on Disboards that literally has Rumors in its title), it's not exactly presented as fact. Most semi-intelligent people know that tagging an item with rumor means it's somewhere between maybe and "yeah right."

I see far more warnings that rumors aren't completed attractions on this board than I do people taking those same rumors and burying them in their backyards to see what grows.

The title is pretty click-baity, but that's par for the course with titles these days (don't get me started on that).

I think I see where the car went off the course here...

 

[TheMaxRebo]

The original "e" tickets...back when we had tickets...was a measure of popularity/notoriety/draw more than quality of the ride...
...the more modern (eisnerian) designation is usually associated with the attraction type and investment..

So while midway mania and mine train fit the old definition...I don't believe they fit the modern one.

That was the point of my question - what, today, constitutes an E-Ticket ... and perhaps it is disagreement on that point that creates issues in the discussion

I could see something like TSMM and Mine Train being considered E-Ticket attractions as they were pretty large investments and designed to be anchors of areas and draw large crowds. I don't think "just" large crowds is enough as I wouldn't consider Peter Pan an "E-Ticket" despite 70+ minute waits typically

But others could disagree on the above

 

[lockedoutlogic]

That was the point of my question - what, today, constitutes an E-Ticket ... and perhaps it is disagreement on that point that creates issues in the discussion

I could see something like TSMM and Mine Train being considered E-Ticket attractions as they were pretty large investments and designed to be anchors of areas and draw large crowds. I don't think "just" large crowds is enough as I wouldn't consider Peter Pan an "E-Ticket" despite 70+ minute waits typically

But others could disagree on the above

That all seems like a moot point anyway...

We see this all the time here:

Q: "an E Ticket?"
A: "my sources say yes...an "e ticket"..."

...but none of that conversation matters...it's a disney term
Based in long gone history.

We all can properly judge what is an anchor attraction and what is not.

The problem is none of the wdw parks have enough for their crowds and that skews the perception. Mine train is not...midway is not...but they are "newer" and have disproportionate crowds because attendance is much higher than 20 years ago and they have to stand in line for something.

The avatar main one is...at least one of the Star Wars ones will be. The toy story thing is not but could have a 2 hour standby...you just don't know in a world gone mad.

 

[SaharanTea]

I think I see where the car went off the course here...

I'm trying to argue that most of the folks on this board are among the "at least semi-intelligent." The rest won't get your warning anyway.

I guess you could try posting to Orlando Weekly's comment section (if there is such a thing).

 

[wilkeliza]

That all seems like a moot point anyway...

We see this all the time here:

Q: "an E Ticket?"
A: "my sources say yes...an "e ticket"..."

...but none of that conversation matters...it's a disney term
Based in long gone history.

We all can properly judge what is an anchor attraction and what is not.

The problem is none of the wdw parks have enough for their crowds and that skews the perception. Mine train is not...midway is not...but they are "newer" and have disproportionate crowds because attendance is much higher than 20 years ago and they have to stand in line for something.

The avatar main one is...at least one of the Star Wars ones will be. The toy story thing is not but could have a 2 hour standby...you just don't know in a world gone mad.

It depends on why you consider something E ticket. I mean lets not forget in 1972 pack mules were E ticket attractions haha. The peoplemover was a D and I've seen it be argued on here towards A status. Can't really tell how Disney broke the level down. Perhaps mule rides were E simply because of the cost to feed the mules?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'm trying to argue that most of the folks on this board are among the "at least semi-intelligent." The rest won't get your warning anyway.

I guess you could try posting to Orlando Weekly's comment section (if there is such a thing).

Are you kidding? People here fall for this stuff more than exchange students from meapos...

Cause they WANT it to be true...it keeps smiles on the pillows at night...but it usually isn't realistic.

Do you think they're announcing a Brazil pavilion in Epcot this week? Now that it's had a week to germinate...honestly?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It depends on why you consider something E ticket. I mean lets not forget in 1972 pack mules were E ticket attractions haha. The peoplemover was a D and I've seen it be argued on here towards A status. Can't really tell how Disney broke the level down. Perhaps mule rides were E simply because of the cost to feed the mules?

There's nothing like the feeling of a burro squeezed between your haunches

 

[wilkeliza]

There's nothing like the feeling of a burro squeezed between your haunches

The fact there were donky rides as an attraction is something I tend to forget about Disney history. I guess being a WDW visitor and not really DL is why. I just found it hysterical that researching E ticket to come up with a reply showed that mule rides were one. I would have thought that was solidly an A or B at best.

 

[SaharanTea]

Are you kidding? People here fall for this stuff more than exchange students from meapos...

Cause they WANT it to be true...it keeps smiles on the pillows at night...but it usually isn't realistic.

Do you think they're announcing a Brazil pavilion in Epcot this week? Now that it's had a week to germinate...honestly?

Most of the regulars are good about including their grains of salt. It is, after all, a rumors board. There is the occasional post that looks to be taking the info as fact--as if it's a done deal. Maybe there are more Balkis here than Cousin Larrys.

Historically, I'd say a new pavilion is obviously a very small chance, but I tend to take rumors as strictly that and don't put any stock in them for or against. I'm a very "let's see how it plays out" type person.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

There's nothing like the feeling of a burro squeezed between your haunches

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