Current member adding on at ssr, can you anyone help me?

Ha, they are probably selling you your own contract...

It doesn't sound like that has been ROFR'd and they'd have to have the points today to sell.

I too am a little surprised about a decision to pay almost double in order to pay even more to finance. And it all started because a timeshare sales person gave rather poor advice about ROFR. As you see OP it's not hard to buy thru Disney. They'll have points for you if the contract does get taken back.
 
We are going to buy resale however I will tell you I think the experience with The Timeshare Store is below standards and this will be the last and only time I deal with them. They were very vocal on my $70 offer never going through however I am now seeing similar contracts fly through for $55 - $62 a point.

I guess it was there way of trying to get me to pay more. Horrible sales tactic and that stuff used to work 30 years ago, sales is a different animal now. Maybe just maybe I will pull out
 
We are going to buy resale however I will tell you I think the experience with The Timeshare Store is below standards and this will be the last and only time I deal with them. They were very vocal on my $70 offer never going through however I am now seeing similar contracts fly through for $55 - $62 a point.

I guess it was there way of trying to get me to pay more. Horrible sales tactic and that stuff used to work 30 years ago, sales is a different animal now. Maybe just maybe I will pull out

Glad to hear you are going forward with the resale. The Timeshare Store has a very good reputation and I'm surprised to hear of your experience. I think maybe they were negative because it's a 50 point contract, they are rare and usually go for a higher price.

I can understand the attraction of buying direct from Disney and avoiding the hassle of resale but the savings will be worth it.

Best of luck!
 
Just reading the contract now and what's weird is I have to pay the 2014 dues in full at time of closing. This makes no sense because I am not getting the points until December. Right now I get my points every December and then I get a bill a week later for dues that need to be paid by the following February. Why would I need to pay them 10 months in advance? Seems weird
 

All MFs are due Jan 15 every year regardless of UY. The seller has probably already paid the dues and are being reimbursed or they haven't been paid yet since they are selling.
 
The only reason I would back out is the resale company said the odds of it passing are slim to none so don't want to waste anyone's time
I was going to ask you who you were going through but I see it was the Timeshare store. They told me that I needed to offer over $70 or my offer would be rejected.

Does anyone know what SSR is going for through rofr?

Reason I ask is my neighbor just made it through on AK for $57 per point which seemed very odd but maybe that's correct
…continuing on… we just closed on a 250 pt SSR resale for $60 with 51 current points and 250 coming in December




Actually be stunned if you didn't pass ROFR at $70/pt for SSR on a basically stripped contract. :lmao:
::yes::



I agree an unusual UY would change the circumstances but this is a Dec UY - still think it will sail thru ROFR
I cannot see how this would get scooped up.



Disney did just take a 200 SSR for $69. PP a few weeks ago. But I think that was a shocker. Maybe it was the UY and it did have good points ......but still, it was out of the norm compared to what Disney has been waiving through. They have been waiving on high 50's to low 60's very recently.
I think you will be fine with a $70. PP offer. Just wait it out .......what do you have to loose ?
I don't know how that contract got taken…. but there are a few of those anomalies every quarter.

May I ask what Resale broker you have been using that said chances of a $70PP SSR resale contract would have a "slim to none" chance of getting through ROFR ?
The Timeshare Store…
:sad2:

The one thing I do like about Disney is I can finance it whereas with the TSS I cannot do to it being only a $3500 purchase.
Check out some of the suggestions for financing. They are all reputable companies. :thumbsup2
 
Just reading the contract now and what's weird is I have to pay the 2014 dues in full at time of closing. This makes no sense because I am not getting the points until December. Right now I get my points every December and then I get a bill a week later for dues that need to be paid by the following February. Why would I need to pay them 10 months in advance? Seems weird

That is typical with resale and a perception that is virtually impossible to change with them. Usually if you are receiving the 2014 points they will ask for them to be paid or reimbursed although in reality, as you said, for a Dec UY that isn't how Disney would figure it direct. That's going to be up to you if you consider that part of the contract cost or not or to try and re-negotiate but from what I've read (and I've tried myself a couple of times) resellers cannot or will not understand it. It's not correct but it is standard.
 
I guess what I am confused about is the annual dues. I know I should know this but I paid annual dues on January 17th of this year and I was under the impression these dues were for the points I received in December not for the points I will receive next December.
 
The dues you pay for in January are for the current year's points. We have March UY, we paid in January too, everybody is paying dues for the current calendar year's points.
 
We are going to buy resale however I will tell you I think the experience with The Timeshare Store is below standards and this will be the last and only time I deal with them. They were very vocal on my $70 offer never going through however I am now seeing similar contracts fly through for $55 - $62 a point. I guess it was there way of trying to get me to pay more. Horrible sales tactic and that stuff used to work 30 years ago, sales is a different animal now. Maybe just maybe I will pull out
Hmmm , I am not 100 % sure on how the broker commission works if Disney takes the contract via ROFR. But if the broker looses the commish if it's ROFRed maybe they are trying to make it highly unlikely that Disney will take it ( while telling you it won't pass so you won't lower your bid ) ? Kind of guaranteeing that they get the deal vs Disney .......... Although I am not sure if they loose the commish if Disney takes it anyway . Just a thought . We are also struggling with a Dec. UY too . Due to our traveling schedule we came up with a December UY to base our resale purchase on. It stinks to have to pay dues on 2014 points for December that won't see the points until almost 2015 ! The contract we are negotiating right now had no 2013 points , only December 2014 points. So yea, it's kind of a bummer that we can't use the points until almost 2015 but still have to pay them ! That's the way it is though . Our caveat that makes it work is that we don't need any more points until 2015 anyway, so it works for us. Good luck !
 
We are going to buy resale however I will tell you I think the experience with The Timeshare Store is below standards and this will be the last and only time I deal with them. They were very vocal on my $70 offer never going through however I am now seeing similar contracts fly through for $55 - $62 a point. I guess it was there way of trying to get me to pay more. Horrible sales tactic and that stuff used to work 30 years ago, sales is a different animal now. Maybe just maybe I will pull out
I can also relate a bit about TTS . I am not getting a great feeling about them so far either. It has been taking DAYS for them to get back to me when I am contacting them about interest in BUYING a DVC contract . When they finally do, it's a very generic answer or e-mail link to the properties I inquire about .They send me to the exact "for sale" page on there website that I already have seen countless times. Sometimes it takes a week to get back to me ! What's up with that ? On the other hand, I have had GREAT relationship with Sharon at Fidelity so far ....... And we are working out a deal right now ! She has been very prompt and very knowledgable about helping me get the deal done and present a good offer with OUR side of the deal in mind . She actually advised certain ways to help save some money for the deal on our end ! Things like prorating the 2014 dues and splitting the closing costs with the seller, all while helping to get the lowest price PP negotiated with the seller, but also trying to keep the "deal" just barely over the ROFR watchdogs ! Point is , there are plenty of DVC resale brokers out their , just go with one you feel comfortable with !
 
I guess what I am confused about is the annual dues. I know I should know this but I paid annual dues on January 17th of this year and I was under the impression these dues were for the points I received in December not for the points I will receive next December.

Here's one of the best explanations of what the dues you pay for are for. I'd hazard a guess that the majority of owners are not aware of this - and I know that the resale brokers are not - or simply ignore it based on what historically has been paid for buyers which is how your contract is written up.

Maintenance fees are based on a calendar year, not on a use year. When buying resale, one way to determine whether buyer or seller should pay maintenance fees on specific points, is to prorate the fees (the same way Diseny does for the initial purchaser) based on how many months of a given use year are left in the calendar year.

Example: Suppose someone has an August Use Year and 200 points. Prorating on an annual basis, the maintenance fees paid in January 2006 would apply to 7-months of their 2005 Use Year points, and to 5-months of their 2006 Use Year points. In January 2007 the new owner would pay maintenance fees for calendar year 2007, which covers 7-months of their Use year 2006 points, and 5 months of their 2007 Use Year points.

Other Use Years can be pro-rated in a similar fashion, simply comparing the Use Year month to the calendar year.

If one wants to calculate who pays what maintenance fees based on points left in a specific use year, then assume the points are distributed equally in 12-monthly installments, and see how many months are covered by the points remaining.

In the above example, say all 2005 points were gone, and all 2006 points will be available beginning Aug 1, 2006. The seller has paid maintenance fees for calendar year 2006 on January 15th, 2006. When properly pro-rated, 7/12ths of that annual payment applied to 2005 use year points, and 5/12ths of that annual payment applied toward 2006 use year points.

In this case, the seller should reimburse the buyer for 7/12ths of the annual fees since on Jan 15th, 2007 the new owner will be paying the maintenance fees that can be associated with the 2006 Use Year points.

If on the other hand, the contract had all 2006 points remaining, then the buyer should reimburse the seller for 5/12ths of the annual fee since for an August 2006 Use Year, 5/12ths of the January 15, 2006 maintenance fee payment was actually applicable to the 2006 August Use Year points.

Just to make an easy calculation, suppose the contract was for 120 points. That's 10points/month. Say also the seller used 60 of those 2006 Use Year points, and the contract is selling with 60 points remaining.

At a rate of 10 points/month, 60 points represents 6-months worth of calendar dates. So in this case that would be Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov Dec, 2006, and Jan 2007. So in this case the seller has actually used 10 points that the buyer will have to pay maintenance fees on, come January 2007, so the seller whould not receive any money toward maintenance fees, and should actually be giving the buyer a credit toward maintenance fees on 10 points.

Many sellers conveniently forget that they paid pro-rated dues on their original purchase, the dues being prorated to the calendar year, not the Use Year.

Finally, in the above example, suppose the August Use Year had all 2006 points remaining, and had 60 2005 points banked. In this case the buyer should reimburse the seller on 110 points (at the rate of 10pts/month for a 120 point contract). That's based on it being 6-months worth of 2005 points (for the months Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul 2006), and 5 months worth of 2006 points (Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec 2006). On January 15 2007, the new owner will pay the maintenance fees for the remaining 2006 points (7-months worth), and the initial maintenance fees of their 2007 points (5-months worth)

Many mistakenly believe that in January they are paying maintenance fees for the points they will receive in that Use Year. That is not correct. If someone has a December use Year, then on January 15th 2006 they are not paying maintenance fees on points they won't receive until December, but are instead paying maintenance fees on points they received December 2005 that are valid during calendar year 2006 (11-months worth), and maintenance fees on only 1-months worth of their 2006 Use Year points. That is for points valid for the month of December 2006. January 15th 2007 they repeat the cycle, at that time paying the remaining fees on the 2006 points (11-months worth), and fees for one months worth of their 2007 use year points.

Hope this helps.

Here's a link to another thread where it was discussed and ultimately directed to Caskbills post:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2497837&highlight=dues+calculations
 
I can also relate a bit about TTS . I am not getting a great feeling about them so far either. It has been taking DAYS for them to get back to me when I am contacting them about interest in BUYING a DVC contract . When they finally do, it's a very generic answer or e-mail link to the properties I inquire about .They send me to the exact "for sale" page on there website that I already have seen countless times. Sometimes it takes a week to get back to me ! What's up with that ? On the other hand, I have had GREAT relationship with Sharon at Fidelity so far ....... And we are working out a deal right now ! She has been very prompt and very knowledgable about helping me get the deal done and present a good offer with OUR side of the deal in mind . She actually advised certain ways to help save some money for the deal on our end ! Things like prorating the 2014 dues and splitting the closing costs with the seller, all while helping to get the lowest price PP negotiated with the seller, but also trying to keep the "deal" just barely over the ROFR watchdogs ! Point is , there are plenty of DVC resale brokers out their , just go with one you feel comfortable with !

I'll add that your complaint of slow replies from TTS is a very unusual one for them. And it's a very common one for Fidelity. I've done several transactions (buying and selling) with TTS and have had zero complaints about their response times. However I also believe in calling with inquiries because things can change in a second. After that emails were responded to in a timely manner.
 
Hmmm , I am not 100 % sure on how the broker commission works if Disney takes the contract via ROFR. But if the broker looses the commish if it's ROFRed maybe they are trying to make it highly unlikely that Disney will take it ( while telling you it won't pass so you won't lower your bid ) ? Kind of guaranteeing that they get the deal vs Disney .......... Although I am not sure if they loose the commish if Disney takes it anyway . Just a thought . We are also struggling with a Dec. UY too . Due to our traveling schedule we came up with a December UY to base our resale purchase on. It stinks to have to pay dues on 2014 points for December that won't see the points until almost 2015 ! The contract we are negotiating right now had no 2013 points , only December 2014 points. So yea, it's kind of a bummer that we can't use the points until almost 2015 but still have to pay them ! That's the way it is though . Our caveat that makes it work is that we don't need any more points until 2015 anyway, so it works for us. Good luck !

The broker still gets paid. Some brokers would prefer the contract to get ROFR'd because they still get paid without as much work. When a contract is bought by Disney, they buy it at the same price that was offered, so the seller still gets paid and so does the broker. The buyer is the only one who loses.
 
I'll add that your complaint of slow replies from TTS is a very unusual one for them. And it's a very common one for Fidelity. I've done several transactions (buying and selling) with TTS and have had zero complaints about their response times. However I also believe in calling with inquiries because things can change in a second. After that emails were responded to in a timely manner.

This is me too, we had great experience with TTS. You must call, emails will take longer. And then the one you wanted is gone. They were very good about telling us what they thought would pass, and the price we paid was fine. And in line with sales at BWV. I would wait it out personally. That is a lot of money to pay extra. We dh to pay our dues at closing also, and we won't get our points till October. Just the way it is. Good luck!
 



















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