C's get degrees but

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Maybe in some parts of the world but not all.

Check the pedigrees of your world leaders, scientific, financial and political, and I think you'll be surprised by how many hold degrees from those six schools. Political leaders lag a bit, due to political concerns (people expect their leaders educated at home) but even there, you'd be surprised how many graduate degrees are held.

 

[Janepod]

No, Harvard, Yale, and to a slightly lesser extent Princeton, MIT, Stanford and Wellesley grads run the world.

...

I would add "Goldman Sachs alumni" (who are often from those schools) to the list but otherwise I agree.

 

[Bonnie151]

Check the pedigrees of your world leaders, scientific, financial and political, and I think you'll be surprised by how many hold degrees from those six schools. Political leaders lag a bit, due to political concerns (people expect their leaders educated at home) but even there, you'd be surprised how many graduate degrees are held.

Ha! Oxbridge grads run the UK (and I say that as a Harvard legacy).

 

[declansdad]

Check the pedigrees of your world leaders, scientific, financial and political, and I think you'll be surprised by how many hold degrees from those six schools. Political leaders lag a bit, due to political concerns (people expect their leaders educated at home) but even there, you'd be surprised how many graduate degrees are held.

I take a wider view to what "runs the world" means. There is more to it than simply being the political leaders or tops in the field. There are some many things that are done by people that don't even attend colleges and universities that have a huge impact on how we live.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

I would add "Goldman Sachs alumni" (who are often from those schools) to the list but otherwise I agree.

Very true, which would add Georgetown and Boston College. They love the Jesuits at Goldman Sachs. I don't remember them recruiting from many other schools, but am sure they do.

 

[Janepod]

Very true, which would add Georgetown and Boston College. They love the Jesuits at Goldman Sachs. I don't remember them recruiting from many other schools, but am sure they do.

They do (I am a Georgetown alum.)

 

[Granny square]

Do they land jobs?

I know so many people who use this saying, and therefore don't take school seriously.
They would rather drink and skip than excel.

I can't lie, there are classes that are struggles, and I've gotten a C or 2, but there are just some classes that are impossible to no do well....like a dance class where all you do is show up and attempt!

I figure if anything, at least I know I did my best, and I learned disciple.

Depends on the viewpoint. Most of day to day life is more influenced by average people. Now the people who pull the top strings are not usually c students anymore. There are too many degrees coming from the schools.

Good for you for taking the high road!

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Ha! Oxbridge grads run the UK (and I say that as a Harvard legacy).

You are undoubtedly correct, I shouldn't have omitted it. Although again the overlap with the ones I just listed in the states is significant.

 

[tvguy]

As a journalist, I can say this is definitely true. No one has ever inquired about my grades. In my field, internships and recommendations speak way louder than any grade.

But us journalists are weird. So we kind of understand each other. I've seen college peers that barely scraped by go on to do some amazing things in the field.

As a fellow journalist, I agree 100%. I attended a Professional organization lunch 3 weeks ago where the ND of another station spoke. She has been at it a few years, and she says the entire interview process has changed. Used to be she spent most of the interview asking about the candidates experience and education. Now she spends most of the interview process answering questions about salary, benefits, time off.....with the most common question she gets today from applicants.."will I get Christmas and other holidays off?".

 

[Granny square]

As a fellow journalist, I agree 100%. I attended a Professional organization lunch 3 weeks ago where the ND of another station spoke. She has been at it a few years, and she says the entire interview process has changed. Used to be she spent most of the interview asking about the candidates experience and education. Now she spends most of the interview process answering questions about salary, benefits, time off.....with the most common question she gets today from applicants.."will I get Christmas and other holidays off?".

In journalism do you have to be pulling the "a's" to get those internships though. One of my sons is fretting a "c" right now because he applies for his co op in engineering this year.

The next one down the line is looking at journalism and is trying to get his writing out there and read as a senior. But I have no clue what to suggest past that. He's been published a few times which is a start.

 

[texasteacher35]

I don't believe that a "C" means you underachieve. The system most parts of North America uses relies heavily on testing. Achieving high marks on a tests in not always a true indicator of how well you will perform in the real world. Achieving high marks in tests means you are very good at memorizing material and spitting it back out within the exam time period.

In many cases, students who score "Cs" are more well-rounded, have better life skills and have more common sense than the "A" students. The are also more likely to have more extra-curricular activities and skills on a resume that an employer is interested in.

Yes I am not trying to make a judgement call at all. I am a mostly A/ B student and I participated in sorority life, sports, all kinds of stuff...and I am very well adjusted. I have been a math teacher for lots of years. Just because I worked hard in school doesn't mean I do t have a normal social life.

Same with my daughter... Top 25 of her class of 600...40 college credits before she even graduated...honors society, played lacrosse for the school, played volleyball for the school. She was a big brother/big sister, volunteered to get her silver chord for graduation...her GPA is 4.3. Got a FUL PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLARSHIP to University of Alabama (along with 14 other offers)...and she looks like a Barbie/Rapunzel ...you can't just put a label on "smart kids" or straight A students and say they are not active in other activities.

I am not saying that ALL C students are anything...I am saying, that as a teacher, I feel that education is important...not that you need to make 100% in every class...no need for that. Well roundedness pays off, which is what I am, and my daughter is. And we probably don't fit the stereotypical "smart" look...

 

[Bob NC]

As a fellow journalist, I agree 100%. I attended a Professional organization lunch 3 weeks ago where the ND of another station spoke. She has been at it a few years, and she says the entire interview process has changed. Used to be she spent most of the interview asking about the candidates experience and education. Now she spends most of the interview process answering questions about salary, benefits, time off.....with the most common question she gets today from applicants.."will I get Christmas and other holidays off?".

MOST of EVERY interview is spent discussing holidays?

I just don't believe it.

Someone may make a comment about how prospective employees are more interested in discussing benefits and vacations more than in the past.

But, "Most of the interview process?" No way.

 

[LisaR]

MOST of EVERY interview is spent discussing holidays?

I just don't believe it.

Someone may make a comment about how prospective employees are more interested in discussing benefits and vacations more than in the past.

But, "Most of the interview process?" No way.

I'd say the person doing the interviewing needs to learn better interviewing skills and how to control the situation if this is truly happening.

 

[Bob NC]

I'd say the person doing the interviewing needs to learn better interviewing skills and how to control the situation if this is truly happening.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.

If I were a HR professional that is one thing I'd hate admitting to.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Do they land jobs?

I know so many people who use this saying, and therefore don't take school seriously.
They would rather drink and skip than excel.

I can't lie, there are classes that are struggles, and I've gotten a C or 2, but there are just some classes that are impossible to no do well....like a dance class where all you do is show up and attempt!

I figure if anything, at least I know I did my best, and I learned disciple.

What if you did your best and your ex Ed, though

 

[Hrhpd]

I agree with this part of your post.



This part, not so much. I'm guessing the vast majority of C students are getting C's for one of the following reasons:
1. They just aren't equipped to handle college classes
2. They aren't utilizing the tutoring resources offered by the college
3. They are content with C's
4. The professor really is horrible and shouldn't be teaching
5. They don't have time to study (working two jobs to pay tuition)
6. They don't make time to study (partying, having fun, skipping classes, etc)

I highly doubt a large percentage of those C students are "more well-rounded, have better life skills and have more common sense than the "A" students." Actually, I find that statement to be something a C student might try to use to convince themselves and others of why they got C's to begin with.

Me thinks some doth protest too much.

 

[Hrhpd]

I am in software engineering and they didn't care about my transcript.

How long ago did you graduate?

I know most of my kid's friends, many in software engineering, did indeed have to produce transcripts this year while looking for their first jobs.

 

[tasha99]

How long ago did you graduate?

I know most of my kid's friends, many in software engineering, did indeed have to produce transcripts this year while looking for their first jobs.

I'd heard that, too, but I have a much younger cousin who was recently recruited from high school for a software development job. Weird, because he was going to do it the summer before college, and they wanted him to stay. So I guess the skills > degree nature of IT work isn't completely over yet.

 

[declansdad]

I agree with this part of your post.



This part, not so much. I'm guessing the vast majority of C students are getting C's for one of the following reasons:
1. They just aren't equipped to handle college classes
2. They aren't utilizing the tutoring resources offered by the college
3. They are content with C's
4. The professor really is horrible and shouldn't be teaching
5. They don't have time to study (working two jobs to pay tuition)
6. They don't make time to study (partying, having fun, skipping classes, etc)

I highly doubt a large percentage of those C students are "more well-rounded, have better life skills and have more common sense than the "A" students." Actually, I find that statement to be something a C student might try to use to convince themselves and others of why they got C's to begin with.

Or they don't test well and for the most part, your last statement simply isn't true. So many, not all, of the top students spend so much time and energy studying they don't develop any other skills.

 

[tasha99]

One thing to consider is where the grade is from. Due to grade inflation, "C's" aren't considered a decent grade anymore. In actuality, it should be the average undergraduate student grade. Wayyy back in the day, I had a friend who had a hard time adjusting to the fact that he was a B/C student at Stanford. He'd been a big fish in a small pool in high school. I still think his B's and C's at Stanford trump most state school A grades, and I would think employers would know that. Where you get your degree from probably matters more than what your grades were.