Cruise for Middle Schooler

Our local high school senior class is not taking a senior trip this year. (a first for our school)
Reason, not enough funds were raised to cover the cost.
It was either cancel or make the kid's/family's pay for the trip.
The kids themselves chose to cancel.
They knew that not everyone could afford to go.

I applaud thier decision.
 
That is not true-- our troop goes to great wolf lodge every year and nothing education there LOL...and as far as paying-we don't fundraise much- just some nuts (just got our "profit" check from that- 32.00) and cookies (we made 150.00 profit fromthat last year) so if we only took a 182.00 trip form the fundraising we would be going to the movies and getting popcorn LOL. It runs me about 500 a year for my daughter to be in girl scouts between dues and day trips and overnight trips...some years more some years less. This year we are looking to go for 4 days to a dude ranch so it ill run to the "more" side!

So basically what you're teaching the girls is that Mom and Dad will finance their activities?

That's not at all what Girl Scouts is supposed to be about. If they only work hard enough to earn a trip to the movies and popcorn, then so be it. If they want to do more, they should learn how to earn more.

The girls are supposed to learn how to plan, determine their budget and earn the funds. If all they're learning is to ask Mom and Dad for a check, its not saying much for the way Scouting is run in your community.
 
What happened to campfires, museums, shows, science centers/planetariums, and Hersheypark?. I understand these have become too boring, outdated and they probably did all this in nursery school.

Just my personal opinion: I think parents/families should vacation together, especially at age 12. These kids have their whole life ahead of them to cruise Mexico, the Mediterranian, the Greek Isles, etc. with their friends or spouse.

I understand times have changed, I do. But, why in such a rush to have them experience everything?

I had a friend who took her daughter on about 10 cruises. She wouldn't have dreamed of going on a cruise for her honeymoon. THAT was a family vacation. They took her to Hawaii, Disney, Mexico, and Alaska, and Paris too. I think this mom wanted to be the one to experience all this with her daughter. It didn't leave a whole lot of NEWNESS for her daughter when she entered her 20s.
 
I had a friend who took her daughter on about 10 cruises. She wouldn't have dreamed of going on a cruise for her honeymoon. THAT was a family vacation. They took her to Hawaii, Disney, Mexico, and Alaska, and Paris too. I think this mom wanted to be the one to experience all this with her daughter. It didn't leave a whole lot of NEWNESS for her daughter when she entered her 20s.

But boy did she have experience in traveling when she entered her 20's. And what 20-something person can afford to go to all those places on their own? Not a heck of a lot. I think traveling young, with your parents, is one of the best things a child can have happen in their lives.
 

If you, as the mother, are interested in going with her, I would say go and experience it with her. Personally, I wouldn't let my middle schooler go on that sort of trip without me being there. However, the fact that it is at all in Mexico would be a complete stopsign for both me and my child.
 
I had a friend who took her daughter on about 10 cruises. She wouldn't have dreamed of going on a cruise for her honeymoon. THAT was a family vacation. They took her to Hawaii, Disney, Mexico, and Alaska, and Paris too. I think this mom wanted to be the one to experience all this with her daughter. It didn't leave a whole lot of NEWNESS for her daughter when she entered her 20s.

I don't get that way of thinking---should I , as a parent, not take my child with me on all the vacations I go on just so she can go experience it as new with her spouse (if she even chooses to get married??).... When I plan our next cruise ( we have been on 6 right now) or trip someplace I don't do it thinking "let me beat her someday husband and take her here".
She wants to go to Egypt- I have NO desire to go there, guess I will leave that one for her husband.:confused3
 
I had a friend who took her daughter on about 10 cruises. She wouldn't have dreamed of going on a cruise for her honeymoon. THAT was a family vacation. They took her to Hawaii, Disney, Mexico, and Alaska, and Paris too. I think this mom wanted to be the one to experience all this with her daughter. It didn't leave a whole lot of NEWNESS for her daughter when she entered her 20s.
I don't really see your point. Your friend obviously enjoyed cruising as a family, and therefore considered it to be a "family vacation." Nothing wrong with that. Also, I can think of hundreds of destinations beyond the ones you listed - plenty of newness for a young adult to experience without her parents. And even if she visited the same locations because she'd enjoyed them & wanted to go back, the experience is different as an adult than as a child. Case in point - most of us on this board have been to Disney multiple times, many for the first time as children with our parents, & now we choose to go back as adults with friends or spouses or our own children. It's a different experience every time.
 
I had a friend who took her daughter on about 10 cruises. She wouldn't have dreamed of going on a cruise for her honeymoon. THAT was a family vacation. They took her to Hawaii, Disney, Mexico, and Alaska, and Paris too. I think this mom wanted to be the one to experience all this with her daughter. It didn't leave a whole lot of NEWNESS for her daughter when she entered her 20s.

If my mom had taken me to Paris as a child, I think I'd manage to forgive her for making it "old" when I was in my 20s. ;)
 
I personally don't see an issue with them bieng in thier own rooms, and having run of the ship as long as they are checking in at regular intervals with adults. This is the way all the school and church sponsored trips I went on from middle school on out were set up. We did not stay with an adult the entire time.
 
I personally don't see an issue with them bieng in thier own rooms, and having run of the ship as long as they are checking in at regular intervals with adults. This is the way all the school and church sponsored trips I went on from middle school on out were set up. We did not stay with an adult the entire time.

I work in a school for kids with severe medical and physical disabilities... ever winter we have a high school ski trip up at Mt. Sunapee and the senior class go to disney for a week and those kids get thier own rooms (they share rooms 2 kids to a room)

they know where the adults rooms are and they know how to use the phone to get us or how to come and get us if they need something...

Personally I would let my child have as many amazing experiences as possible regardless of age when I was 12 or 13 (not that many years ago) my parents lets us go around the disney parks by ourselves...

You have to have trust in your child/ren if you believe that you have raised them the best possible way you can then let them prove they can be responsible and not shelter them
 
No way, No how. And I am not really over protective. I have a niece, they went on Carnival and her oldest DD was about 13. She was beautiful, blond, blue eyed, tan, long legs, you get the idea. Anyway, she was out and about on the ship by herself, her mom wasn't too far away from her and she noticed some of the employees leering at her. From that point on her DD wasn't allowed out of her sight.

We are going on Carnival, we have also been on DCL. I told my DD that on this cruise, she wasn't allowed to go anywhere by herself.

This is a bad idea from the beginning, they are way too young. sorry but Natalie Holloway comes to mind.
 
No way, No how. And I am not really over protective. I have a niece, they went on Carnival and her oldest DD was about 13. She was beautiful, blond, blue eyed, tan, long legs, you get the idea. Anyway, she was out and about on the ship by herself, her mom wasn't too far away from her and she noticed some of the employees leering at her. From that point on her DD wasn't allowed out of her sight.

We are going on Carnival, we have also been on DCL. I told my DD that on this cruise, she wasn't allowed to go anywhere by herself.

This is a bad idea from the beginning, they are way too young. sorry but Natalie Holloway comes to mind.
So looking at a 13 year old is somehow illegal? How can you porve what anyone's intent is? No one approached her, correct? I think that not letting her out of thier sight was a bit of an over reaction. A simple "don't talk to those guys, they look like trouble" should have been enough.
I was waiting for someone to bring Natalie up. That is a completely different situaiton. she was in a NIGHT CLUB and got into a car with a stranger. She was not on a cruise ship full of employees.
 
Would you feel the same way towards a land-based trip?

I am not the OP but I have daughters of about the same age that are Girl Scouts. I would object to both the destination and the cruise. If my girls are on land and there is some kind of problem (illness, injury, etc.) I can go get them. But on a cruise, they are trapped and I don't have access to them until the ship reaches land. I'm not even 100% sure that I could always reach them by cell phone on a ship. If I looked up the statistics, it is probably true that more kids are injured on school busses or amusement parks than cruise ships, but I can't get the image of a girl falling overboard out of my head and that definitely prejudices me against a cruise. We don't go on cruises as a family, either.
 
but I can't get the image of a girl falling overboard out of my head and that definitely prejudices me against a cruise. We don't go on cruises as a family, either.
You may find good reasons not to send a kid on a cruise like this, but it's impossible for a person to "fall overboard" -- except from a private balcony.

First, the ship's rails are about my shoulder height (I'm 5'), so it'd take some climbing to get to the top -- a child too young to understand the danger couldn't do it. The rails are built angled inward so IF you were to climb up them, it'd be like a rock climber climbing an inverted mountain -- again -- a child couldn't do it. Finally, they put clear plexiglass on the inside of the rails to prevent anyone from getting a foothold on the rails. It's virtually impossible to climb onto the rails. An average adult would need the help of a chair to get on top of the rail.

Second, the public areas of the ship are all "tiered" like a wedding cake. So IF you could manage to get to the top of the rail on Deck 10, you would not fall into the ocean -- you'd fall onto Deck 9. You'd have to be a mighty jumper to clear the deck below. It's planned that way. If you find pictures of "straight" rails, they're overlooking the pool, etc.

On the main pool deck, you don't have rails separating you from the ocean. You have floor-to-ceiling plexiglass, which prevents the strong sea winds from being "too much". It's a little like being in a punch-bowl The air circulation comes from the deck above, which has rails.

It IS possible to go overboard from a private balcony. There you'd have the help of a chair to reach the top of the railing, no audience watching you, and most balconies are straight above the water. But you'd never do it accidentally -- you'd have to be doing something foolish or purposeful to go overboard even on your private balcony. And you don't have to choose to have a balcony.

Finally, think about WHO you hear about going overboard. With all the children on the ship, none ever go overboard. Not even one. And plenty of their parents are not necessarily vigilant about watching them on the ship. No, the people who go overboard are adults. Usually adults who've been drinking and are doing something foolish, or foul play is involved. An adult who is trying could go overboard or could throw someone overboard, but no child will go over accidentally.

I can see plenty of reasons not to allow this particular child to go on this particular trip, but there's no reason to allow fear of going overboard to keep you from going on a cruise. It just isn't something that will happen. The ship is designed to keep everyone onboard.

The real safety concerns onboard having nothing to do with the railings. They have to do with keeping kids out of other people's cabins (where anything could happen) and making sure kids are either with you or in the kids' club activities after dinner (when too many kids are allowed to run around unsupervised, and the ship does have lots of dark areas).
 
You may find good reasons not to send a kid on a cruise like this, but it's impossible for a person to "fall overboard" -- except from a private balcony.

I'm sure you are right. I'll admit that I also have visions of a child falling into the Grand Canyon (maybe those are more realistic), so probably I am a paranoid mother. I still don't like the idea of cruising as a family. It just seems claustrophobic and "trapped" to me. I like to know I can just leave anytime I want to, which you can't do on a cruise. We are also a family that loves to travel domestically but avoids international travel. Not that American law enforcement and civil protection is perfect, but I worry more about those things in other countries.
 
If you, as the mother, are interested in going with her, I would say go and experience it with her. Personally, I wouldn't let my middle schooler go on that sort of trip without me being there. However, the fact that it is at all in Mexico would be a complete stopsign for both me and my child.

I completely agree!!!!!
 
Here's the GSUSA page about Destinations -- note that the second paragraph states it's for 14-17: http://www.girlscouts.org/who_we_are/global/travel.asp

I do wonder if your council isn't accepting 12-year olds, knowing that they have two years prep time for fundraising and group bonding before the trip actually departs. I hope they're not ignoring SafetyWise.

Its interesting that the GSUSA indicates 14-17 however if you go to the link they provide the information says:
"destinations travel adventures, which range from two days to three weeks
and are for all Girl Scouts ages 11–17, whisk you to the far corners of the
Earth."
 
I'm sure you are right. I'll admit that I also have visions of a child falling into the Grand Canyon (maybe those are more realistic), so probably I am a paranoid mother. I still don't like the idea of cruising as a family. It just seems claustrophobic and "trapped" to me. I like to know I can just leave anytime I want to, which you can't do on a cruise. We are also a family that loves to travel domestically but avoids international travel. Not that American law enforcement and civil protection is perfect, but I worry more about those things in other countries.
I've been to the Grand Canyon. Falling over the edge of the canyon is a realistic fear.
 
Its interesting that the GSUSA indicates 14-17 however if you go to the link they provide the information says:
"destinations travel adventures, which range from two days to three weeks
and are for all Girl Scouts ages 11–17, whisk you to the far corners of the
Earth."
Some of those Destinations are domestic travel -- they're the ones open to younger scouts. When I was a scout I did two Wider Opportunities (that's what they called Destinations back then); one was domestic, one was international.

If you have a copy of Safety Wise, check that.
 
So looking at a 13 year old is somehow illegal? How can you porve what anyone's intent is? No one approached her, correct? I think that not letting her out of thier sight was a bit of an over reaction. A simple "don't talk to those guys, they look like trouble" should have been enough.
I was waiting for someone to bring Natalie up. That is a completely different situaiton. she was in a NIGHT CLUB and got into a car with a stranger. She was not on a cruise ship full of employees.

First, let me say that the word "Mexico" would be enough for me to put the brakes on this trip, no matter what the other details.

Second, no daughter of mine would be going on a cruise without me while she was underage. There is precious little law enforcement on these ships. Once they are out to sea, it's a jurisdictional free for all. The ship may be registered in one country, the crew from umpteen different countries, if they're in international waters and a rape takes place then who knows if anyone has jurisdiction, and once they dock in some port in a foreign country, good luck getting officials there to do a proper investigation. Do some research. It won't take long to find a fair number of cases of young women and girls being assaulted on cruise ships and nothing being done about it. The cruise lines hush it up and when she gets home, the US has no power to help her out. Too bad, so sad. And the ship is already back out to sea, with the offender footloose and fancy free. The legalities of this scare the crap out of me. All it takes is a girl going back to her room to get her camera, some suncreen, change clothes, etc. and she's a vulnerable target.

Yes, maybe I sound alarmist, but this happens more than you'd like to think and more than the cruise lines will ever admit. They settle out of court and keep it all quiet. It's not that hard to grasp. No one with any incentive to investigate the crime (do they really want to finger their employee as a rapist?), no one to gather evidence or take samples, no one to make sure witnesses are questioned, rooms getting cleaned before you know what's happened, etc. There is no way a chaperone is going to stay with each and every girl at every step. And knowing what I know, these girls are too easy a target and there's essentially no accountability for those who assault them. The deck is stacked against the girls and I wouldn't send mine into that situation.

This is not like sending the kids to a land destination where police can be called to report a crime, evidence can be gathered and the police have no relationship to the potential assailant and therefore no reason to hesitate to investigate/arrest the suspect. Being on a ship is sort of like being in no man's land, but the only people with any authority have every reason to NOT identify/detain the suspect and indeed, every reason to make the problem "go away." I don't like those odds.........
 












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