Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[jerry557]

exactly this. As with everyone here, I'd love if disney could open up without having to worry about people who wouldn't follow social distancing guidelines or self identify symptoms after spending thousands on a flight and hotel, but unfortunately we just can't trust that everyone will do it. Look at how beaches were crowded as soon as they were opened in places. It's going to be a challenge for everyone as it has been with social distancing and self quarantining, but I believe we can continue along the path we have for at least as long as our experts think is sane, and we can save as many lives as possible along the way.

Disney will happen eventually, let's all just focus on how many people we can keep safe until it makes sense to open the parks again. We are all eager to have some pixie dust again!

But shouldnt there be some self-responsibility and judgement here? I mean if you are 70 and have COPD, I don't think you'll be spending thousands of dollars to visit Disney World this June or July. If you do, and you catch it, then I don't think there is anyone to blame but yourself. No one forced you to take that trip when you knew it was high risk.

Anyone that is going to Disney when they first reopen is likely going to be people who at least believe that they are low risk. Most people who are young, healthy, and have strong immune systems are not even getting any symptoms. So being around those people and being high risk is a bad idea. This is not fair, but that's how this virus is. The 1918 Spanish Flu killed mainly young people. COVID is going after the old.

 

[Jrb1979]

But shouldnt there be some self-responsibility and judgement here? I mean if you are 70 and have COPD, I don't think you'll be spending thousands of dollars to visit Disney World this June or July. If you do, and you catch it, then I don't think there is anyone to blame but yourself. No one forced you to take that trip when you knew it was high risk.

Anyone that is going to Disney when they first reopen is likely going to be people who at least believe that they are low risk. Most people who are young, healthy, and have strong immune systems are not even getting any symptoms. So being around those people and being high risk is a bad idea. This is not fair, but that's how this virus is. The 1918 Spanish Flu killed mainly young people. COVID is going after the old.

I'm guessing you are against the measures that being talked about being put in place?

 

[jerry557]

I'm guessing you are against the measures that being talked about being put in place?

I don't have a problem with most of it. But I'm not in favor of mandatory masks for guests. It can be encouraged. That's fine. And if people want to wear them, that's fine. But I think the overall benefit is statistically insignificant and not worth the problems and energy with trying to enforce it. CMs at re-opening at going to be busy enough and lot put on their shoulders. Constantly yelling at people to "PUT ON YOUR MASK!" in 90 degree Florida humid heat is going to be a taxing and a futile endeavor.

 

[mshanson3121]

Says someone who has ignored the studies of outdoor transmission and the virus half-life when exposed to UV rays/heat/humidity.

Says someone who doesn't understand how that works. It's not killed instantly. It has to land on a surface and be exposed in direct sunlight for a full 2 minutes in perfect conditions. A cram-packed 4th of July event is still going to be a big risk, sunshine or not.

The article specifically said: "He (the scientist) also said it would be ‘irresponsible’ to say that summer weather would kill the virus, meaning people could ignore current social distancing guidelines and stay at home orders to go out and see friends as well as family. He also warned that the virus could survive outside in warm weather if it was not exposed to direct sunlight."

Is it good news? Yes, definitely. Does it mean large crowds and gathering are safe? Nope.

 

[orangetree]

I don't have a problem with most of it. But I'm not in favor of mandatory masks for guests. It can be encouraged. That's fine. And if people want to wear them, that's fine. But I think the overall benefit is statistically insignificant and not worth the problems and energy with trying to enforce it. CMs at re-opening at going to be busy enough and lot put on their shoulders. Constantly yelling at people to "PUT ON YOUR MASK!" in 90 degree Florida humid heat is going to be a taxing and a futile endeavor.

this is exactly why we need to hold off on opening the parks for a while longer. people don't listen. even if they have the best intentions, some folks might spread things without knowing. also, id argue some people will see the parks opening as a sign that it isn't as big of a deal as it is. again, id love the parks to open soon, but it just doesn't seem like a good idea, especially considering the trade off.

 

[jerry557]

this is exactly why we need to hold off on opening the parks for a while longer. people don't listen. even if they have the best intentions, some folks might spread things without knowing. also, id argue some people will see the parks opening as a sign that it isn't as big of a deal as it is. again, id love the parks to open soon, but it just doesn't seem like a good idea, especially considering the trade off.

But that won't matter. If you want to open in July or October, it doesn't make any difference. If people don't want to wear masks in June, they wont want to wear them in October either.

 

[UOAP]

Couldn’t you just choose to stay away from those ppl when you return? And those ppl who aren’t going out b/c they’re at risk or still concerned would likely still stay quarantined so my choice shouldn’t effect anyone who isn’t already be out & about.

I think the issue is after we try to reopen offices. The majority of Americans fall into a higher risk category. Their businesses won't support the majority staying home after that. So Joe Office Worker goes to work. But Disney Dave who works with Joe brings back the virus from Disney and exposes Joe in the elevator. Not sure how Dave can take another 2 weeks off work to quarantine after his Disney trip. If I were Joe and Dave's company, I would be pretty upset that Dave brought back a virus that infected my staff because he wanted to go to a theme park. This is the problem I see. I see companies wanting to restrict high risk travel among their workers for a while.

 

[mshanson3121]

I don't understand minimizing the fear, desperation and uncertainty of the people who are out of work right now. I'm watching it unfold with friends and family members.

And I don't understand the amount of people unable to read or understand the context of what they're reading. Yet, here we are.

 

[rpb718]

I think masks should not be mandatory. But I also I think Disney CMs should be walking around the parks, and for those groups they observe following the social distancing suggestions and all wearing masks they can stop them and give them some anytime FP+s (or allow their MDE to select anytime virtual queue - I think we need a new VQ acronym if virtual queues are the next thing).

 

[Jimmy Mouse]

I say screw it all. Open everything up. Disney, Universal, Sea World, everything. If your scared you will catch Covid-19 then stay home. I for one will be out at my favorite restaurant as soon as they open on Monday. Disney? Maybe not. Though we have upcoming trips, if the experience is less but the price is the same we will cancel. Already sold off some Disney stock and with the refunds I will get from our reservations, a new in ground pool is right around the corner.

 

[Jrb1979]

I think masks should not be mandatory. But I also I think Disney CMs should be walking around the parks, and for those groups they observe following the social distancing suggestions and all wearing masks they can stop them and give them some anytime FP+s (or allow their MDE to select anytime virtual queue - I think we need a new VQ acronym if virtual queues are the next thing).

Social distancing is not going to a suggestion. If you look at what Shanghai is doing, its going to be a mandatory thing in queues. If you don't like wearing a mask then don't go.

 

[Farro]

Social distancing is not going to a suggestion. If you look at what Shanghai is doing, its going to be a mandatory thing in queues. If you don't like wearing a mask then don't go.

I just can't imagine that mask in 96 degrees with a dew point of 79. People will pass out!

 

[Jrb1979]

I say screw it all. Open everything up. Disney, Universal, Sea World, everything. If your scared you will catch Covid-19 then stay home. I for one will be out at my favorite restaurant as soon as they open on Monday. Disney? Maybe not. Though we have upcoming trips, if the experience is less but the price is the same we will cancel. Already sold off some Disney stock and with the refunds I will get from our reservations, a new in ground pool is right around the corner.

There's only a small percentage that are wanting a lockdown til there is a vaccine. Most agree with slowly reopening the economy. It feels like there is more on the other side with opening everything now and let the chips fall where they may. IMO the plan they have to reopen things is the right one. I hope they implement what they are doing in Shanghai Disney here. Maybe not the QR thing but the rest would make everyone feel safe and that's what Disney would like.

 

[UOAP]

I say screw it all. Open everything up. Disney, Universal, Sea World, everything. If your scared you will catch Covid-19 then stay home. I for one will be out at my favorite restaurant as soon as they open on Monday. Disney? Maybe not. Though we have upcoming trips, if the experience is less but the price is more we will cancel. Already sold off some Disney stock and with the refunds I will get from our reservations, a new in ground pool is right around the corner.

The problem is that all those people can't stay at home forever and they are the majority of the American workforce. They will need to go to work when their businesses open up. And all those "screw it all- open everything up" people will bring the virus to them. And even if you don't care about them, you are putting yourself at higher risk if you fall and shatter your leg and there isn't a clean OR to fix you up because we are have been overwhelmed with COVID patients. No one gets out of this unaffected. We have to be thoughtful about this.

 

[dynastyyanks]

My family was at wdw in January. While there DH and DS became sick with low fever and sore throat that lasted just a couple days. When we came home DD18 got so sick. Fever that lasted 9 days, worst sore throat she’s ever had, and difficulty breathing. Strep, influenza A and B all negative. I would love to get my family tested. I never had any symptoms. We could be the perfect example of covid ranging from asymptomatic, to mild symptoms, to more severe. None of us bad enough to be hospitalized but none of us in a high risk category.

My family was also in WDW in January. Apparently when my mom went home, she had a case of the flu worse than any she's ever had. It knocked her out of commission for a couple weeks and primarily manifested through a bad cough. I think there's a bit too much of "I've been sick in the last 4 months, I wonder if I had it", but I DO wonder.

 

[Jrb1979]

But there is a possibility of Dave getting the virus from anywhere once restrictions are lifted. Could be from nurse Nancy who went to Walmart to get groceries after her shift.

There is but that's also why Disney is most likely going to put measures in to limit the chance of exposure.

 

[UOAP]

But there is a possibility of Dave getting the virus from anywhere once restrictions are lifted. Could be from nurse Nancy who went to Walmart to get groceries after her shift.

True. But at Walmart she is being forced to social distance, forced to wear a mask, only touches the product she buys. Most healthcare workers are changing either in the hospital or go directly home and change before entering their home. They are worried about this disease. There is a much lower risk of spread than in a crowded theme park where people (especially kids) are touching everything, and there is a new opportunity for viral influx from every group coming from out of town. And where people by definition aren't very worried about the disease (or else they wouldn't be there).

 

[LSUmiss]

True. But at Walmart she is being forced to social distance, forced to wear a mask, only touches the product she buys. Most healthcare workers are changing either in the hospital or go directly home and change before entering their home. They are worried about this disease. There is a much lower risk of spread than in a crowded theme park where people (especially kids) are touching everything, and there is a new opportunity for viral influx from every group coming from out of town. And where people by definition aren't very worried about the disease (or else they wouldn't be there).

I guess I’m picturing it where Disney wouldn’t be open until most places are. So, at that point, infection can come from anywhere.

 

[rteetz]

Can’t even enjoy myself for a couple hours...

 

[rteetz]

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