Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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I want to ask this question to you and others who think the opening will be later. Why?

If we're at least a year from any vaccine, and if the death rates in the country are dropping, why do you think Disney would/should wait? I'm not being sarcastic -- do you not think the models that show the death rate at almost zero by mid June are accurate? The disease apparently cycles through the body in 14 days or so, so if we've all been social distancing for a month or two, why do you think it makes a difference for WDW to wait until the fall instead of the summer? If you think the disease isn't spreading because of social distancing, then why would returning anytime before a cure be better than any other?

Not trying to be snarky, it's just a line of reasoning I don't understand. I know people are adamant about delaying opening things up. I just don't understand why. What is the theory you're putting your faith in?

From my perspective their are 2 factors pointing towards a much later opening for Disney. First, I think any mass gathering of 10k plus is far down the road and will be after they let 50, 100, 500 people meet and each of those stages will take at least a month to see if they lead to spiking cases. They almost assuredly won’t say let’s try going to the dentist May 1st and maybe try a restaurant with 50 diners, and then maybe a few weeks after that actually hold small funerals and weddings, and then jump to a 30k baseball game in 4 weeks.

More importantly if we move back into low numbers the focus will be back on containment and contract tracing, and adjusting to individual hot spots. A vacation like Disney brings people from all over the country, smooches them together, and then sends them back out to individual communities. It has super spreader written all over it because there is no way for them to sanitize every handrail, table, doorknob, and kiosk after each touch. I’m also really doubtful that in Florida’s July heat, people won’t be touching their faces to wipe sweat out of their eye every three steps. The image of people standing at rope drop will be a PR disaster if there’s any kind of reemergence happening.

Our large company is already talking about really initial reopening plans. We canceled all travel in early March, and anyone returning from overseas required a 2 week quarantine before returning from work. Now senior management is trying to come up with ways for people to sit in open offices with sufficient distancing, and how we’ll handle people that don’t have childcare yet, and there would still be zero travel for anything (a huge deal in our company), and anyone taking a personal plane ride would be quarantined for 2 weeks. Thats the new ”normal” that I’m hearing in planning meetings which sounds like other major companies are collaborating with us on. That may not be universal, but I do think many people will be surprised at how different things will be over this summer even after things start to reopen, I believe it will be drastically different from February for some time.
 
You can buy the plush, put it in a bag, then wash or sanitize your hands. The big thing is not putting your hands in your face after they’ve touched a surface that possibly has the virus.
And then re-santize your hand (or your kids hands) every time you are they touch it for at least the next 24 hrs.
 
Sports Illustrated says there won't be any sports until there is a vaccine, for those who have said Disney won't open until sports start back up. Take it for what it is worth. I found it to be sad and depressing.
 

Sports Illustrated says there won't be any sports until there is a vaccine, for those who have said Disney won't open until sports start back up. Take it for what it is worth. I found it to be sad and depressing.
All that.. but also just speculation about the sports on SIs part.
 
It’s clear that this is what you want to happen, as you have a trip planned near that date, but it really doesn’t make it so. Or if it is so, wouldn’t they need to start bringing back their CMs and training on new protocol and getting prepped for an opening that will see the parks running completely different in a month? Seeing as how they’ve chosen to furlough their employees starting 4/19, I don’t see how it adds up for a May re-opening. You also assume that only allowing APs staying on-site in the parks would create enough demand and financial incentive to reopen to only that small group. While I think they do want to keep crowds lower at first as they test thing, not allowing new ticket sales would be a huge blow to trying to get back to making money.
Wording can be easily misinterpreted. I said parks open to resort guest and AP holders and did say no ticket sales but I wasn’t meaning you had to have AP and a resort stay. Tickets can be purchased with a resort stay. I meant they wouldn’t let off site buy tickets or have the walk up ticket sales. And I do have an upcoming trip but I have backup trips just incase for June and July. By chance they do not open by August, we have a Christmas trip booked.
 
Disney will be prepping for reopening by Memorial Day weekend we will already be at the bottom of the curve at that point.

I also think by June 1, we will see DW open certain locations. At OUR RISK. STores can practice social distancing, screens, walls and bouncer at the front of all to watch hawk style diners and shoppers, but it's your risk, our risk. We all know this.
 
I also think by June 1, we will see DW open certain locations. At OUR RISK. STores can practice social distancing, screens, walls and bouncer at the front of all to watch hawk style diners and shoppers, but it's your risk, our risk. We all know this.
I don’t think they will be opening Memorial Day, but I do think they will be gearing up to open. I think they open the parks to resort guest two to four weeks after that.
 
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I don’t think they will be opening Memorial Day, but I do think they will be gearing up to open. I think they open the parks to resorts to resort guest two to four weeks after that.
I think they need to be avoiding any of the big holiday dates rather than aiming for them!

Open when the crowds will be most manageable and make sure whatever processes are in place do work and work well.
 
Sports Illustrated says there won't be any sports until there is a vaccine, for those who have said Disney won't open until sports start back up. Take it for what it is worth. I found it to be sad and depressing.

meh, It's still someone's opinion. I think they'll be sports in the fall, in what fashion, I have no idea.

There's other doctors that have said opposite. At the end of the day, it's still their opinions, no matter what field they're in. All that matters is the people who are making the decisions
 
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Disney will be prepping for reopening by Memorial Day weekend we will already be at the bottom of the curve at that point.
Somewhere in that time frame I agree with you...probably closer to mid June early July (2020 for the sarcastic posters), but prep will probably start then yes. Have to wait for FL to lift the at home order.
 
Yep, both Chinese parks they are minority owners in. Shanghai is majority owned by the Shendi group which is basically the government. Tokyo they don't own at all but get a licensing fee from the Oriental Land Company. Paris they are majority owners of so that would be a property to watch.
did I just see something about July for Disney Paris?
 
Right, so this is my considered opinion on what could (and in some places should) happen. This might be a bit long, so I apologise in advance! If you want my summary, I think the parks will open mid-June. Now onto my longer version!

First - all business, and that includes Disney theme parks, need to get back up and running as soon as possible, because the wider impacts of a catastrophic economic downturn on the health of a nation will end up being even worse than the effects of the virus itself. All of these lockdown measures were necessary to avoid healthcare systems becoming overloaded during the first peak. Yes, there will be further peaks after lockdown measures are relaxed, but they will be lower than the initial first peak, so healthcare systems in most places should be able to cope, without the drastic measures as we have seen in this first wave. There are some places where this won't be the case, however - for example China, where the first peak wasn't particularly widespread, and this leaves the country still vulnerable - and hence why Shanghai isn't yet open.

Next, let's examine when Florida might be back open for business. Ignore the IHME models - they are not particularly helpful as many of us have said on other posts. But the lower numbers of cases and deaths per capita in Florida suggests to me that Florida may well have this under control better than some other states. It doesn't look like Florida is going to get anywhere near to ICU capacity from this - in fact, I think there is a distinct possibility that Florida may well have peaked already - there is no evidence to me in the numbers of cases or deaths of an exponential rise in Florida, which is really good news. It may take a while for the curve to come back down again, but I am more optimistic that Florida could start to relax measures sooner than some people might think.

So, I think businesses will start to open back up again during May in Florida. I can see Disney Springs shops opening first, then the restaurants, by the end of May.

Next, the resorts and parks. It is pointless opening the resorts if the parks aren't open - so both will need to open at the same time. When though? I initially thought that 1st June was overly optimistic, and thought 1st July was more realistic. But I do detect a sense that businesses want to get back to normal as soon as possible - so I think opening sometime in June is possibly viable. I would suggest mid-June is more realistic than 1st June though.

How many parks will open? This is a tricky one - you want as much social distancing as possible in the early stages of re-opening. So to maximise social distancing, you need to minimise crowd density - and the best way to do that would be to re-open all 4 parks at once. Do I think Disney will do this? No I don't. But that is what I would do. I think what Disney will actually do is open maybe 2 parks on day 1 - MK and AK. Only opening one park, even to resort guests only, would swamp that park. Opening MK and AK would at least spread out the crowds a touch, and AK is such a big park, it is perfect for social distancing. Furthermore, AK already has a lot of staff working to look after the animals. DHS could open a week or two later, and EPCOT some while after that. I think only one water park would open - my guess is Typhoon Lagoon.

Who would you admit? Initially it would be resort guests only. Then expand this to partner hotels and AP holders as time goes on (only once 3 parks minimum are open).

What about opening hours? I would extend opening hours at every park, to help spread out crowds during the day. Do I think Disney will do this though? No I don't - if anything, they might reduce hours - if they do, that would be a sign they are putting profits before safety.

What attractions would be open? To me this is a no-brainer - EVERY attraction should be open in each park at maximum capacity, to enable spreading out the crowds, and numbers of people in line. I would also modify the fastpass system into a virtual queue system, to avoid people standing in queues. I see no reason why the fireworks and parades couldn't go ahead - people standing outside are less likely to transmit this than in enclosed spaces, and with reduced numbers in the parks, it should be easier to get space between people to watch them.

What about requirements for park entry? Temperature testing I can see being in place, although isn't really that much use. But it would at least give some people some comfort. However, as a family from Scotland, who will be frying in the hot Florida summer heat, I would worry that our temperatures might be too high for entry though! Face masks have little benefit, unless they are of the respirator type, and re-usable ones are a waste of time, and could even be harmful due to contamination from continued use, from recent research done at the Health and Safety Laboratory in the UK. So IMO they shouldn't be mandated. Similarly, testing is so un-reliable at the moment, that any strategy that attempts to use testing as one of the controls should be avoided.

As I warned, sorry for the long post!
 
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did I just see something about July for Disney Paris?
Not specifically about Disney, but Macron appeared to state in his address yesterday extending the France lockdown that leisure activities will still be banned until mid-July. So that would include DLP I would suggest. Personally, I think that is a bit too soon to make that call - but I guess they are wanting to give people some certainty so that they can plan.

I wish the UK government would be just as specific - it might allow me to re-schedule my July trip to Florida to July 2021, which is what I would really like to do now. At the moment, I am tied into the date, because of my flights which I can't cancel and get a refund on yet.
 
Reading through dozens of posts, it remains very clear that confirmation bias is alive and well for many. If you're anxious for the parks to re-open, you can cite expert opinions about flattening curves, extremely low/lessening death rates to advocate for a rather quick return to "somewhat" normal, including Disney parks by this Memorial Day weekend.

If you prefer to base your entire life practices on science, you religiously subscribe to WHO and/or the CDC as your gospel for extreme and lasting caution--let's wait for late 2021 to go outside again. It occurs to me there is likely to be a more balanced view--which, by the way, many of you have asserted more eloquently than I am doing here--one that acknowledges the importance of reasonable restraint before diving back into "normal" but at the same time further acknowledges that living life does come with accepting an appropriate level of risk.

So, for me, I'm going to watch a little less news, which is tainted with so much politicizing that distorts facts on both sides of the equation, and wait just a little while longer before making bold predictions or declarations about how and when our country--and Disney--should re-open. It's sort of like predicting the weather--anything beyond a 3-day forecast, 7 at the most, is really a bunch of guess work.
 
On my opinion front, for the good news, all the data is still trending in a very positive and good direction, still looking like Florida has peaked back in early April. You will see more sports announce some non public opening like WWE is doing, UFC will do they same. Also very telling in the WWE is being named essential business, pretty much solidifies Disney as an essential business, which I think everyone here would agree :)

A spokesperson from DeSantis' office told ESPN on Monday that such services were characterized as essential "because they are critical to Florida's economy."

---from the ESPN article about WWE

No way they can't say Disney isn't essential with this precedent. Now they have to be closed to the public but I don't think we will see the state or local government holding back Disney in opening down the road, like has been speculated.

Once more data about the infection rate and vectors come out in the next two weeks ,we will see much quicker progress towards getting open. It is looking more and more like May 1st that most of the stay at home orders will expire and not be extended. That will alllow Disney Springs to open. within the month of May and then everythig else will open in stages, still holding onto my guest the first part of July for all the parks.

If things keep trending as they are, for Florida you are looking at less than 100 new cases and very very few deaths if any by the end of the month, around or below regular flu mortality. Here's hoping that happens for all the reasons. If new cases stay low for 2-3 months with very low deaths like the data is showing there is no way they will keep the parks closed.
 
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Also with that WWE precedent, being an essential business Disney could have its workers come back this week, they won't but they could, and begin operations in getting the park open. Customer service reps could start working in their offices and not from home. You will probably see that happening in two weeks or so.
 
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