Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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I am sorry if my post implied it wasn’t ok to be upset about how this will impact our enjoyment of WDW. That was not my intent.

oh Gosh that is my fault - I meant to put in the distinction that I wasn’t singling you out at all - I just know these convos take a turn sometimes and I felt it worth noting that both things are ok to be upset about I’m super sorry 😐
 
oh Gosh that is my fault - I meant to put in the distinction that I wasn’t singling you out at all - I just know these convos take a turn sometimes and I felt it worth noting that both things are ok to be upset about I’m super sorry 😐
You have nothing to apologize for. I know exactly what you talking about.
 
True but entertainment often seems the last to be added first to be cut. With those additions much of that is likely from new resorts, and new attractions.

I know entertainment will be back, but I think what we will see is the end of "long-term" type entertainment. The days of 10+ year stints for any particular entertainment - the type that seem to have always been there and become mainstays like the orchestra at GF or YeeHaw Bob - may be gone forever from WDW. If they ever can the Dapper Dans I'll scream.
 

I don’t want to turn this into I told you so, but maybe we can stop crapping all over anyone who comes along with a *prematurely* negative opinion. Permanent change and loss is what a lot of us were worried about months ago.

Maybe I’m just in a glass half empty mood tonight. It’s depressing knowing how much Covid has impacted already, and that some experts (I know, I know) think we aren’t even halfway through. The really empty glass version of me wonders if it’s years before we see nighttime entertainment back daily.
 
I know entertainment will be back, but I think what we will see is the end of "long-term" type entertainment. The days of 10+ year stints for any particular entertainment - the type that seem to have always been there and become mainstays like the orchestra at GF or YeeHaw Bob - may be gone forever from WDW. If they ever can the Dapper Dans I'll scream.

I don't know... I think there is so much value in having long term entertainment because it becomes part of what people connect to and look forward to seeing during every trip they take. I would hope that this doesn't signal the end of that. And I agree, if the Dapper/Cadaver Dans go I will scream right along with you!
 
I don’t want to turn this into I told you so, but maybe we can stop crapping all over anyone who comes along with a *prematurely* negative opinion. Permanent change and loss is what a lot of us were worried about months ago.

Maybe I’m just in a glass half empty mood tonight. It’s depressing knowing how much Covid has impacted already, and that some experts (I know, I know) think we aren’t even halfway through. The really empty glass version of me wonders if it’s years before we see nighttime entertainment back daily.

I'm not depressed, but I do feel myself starting to get angry.
 
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I don’t want to turn this into I told you so, but maybe we can stop crapping all over anyone who comes along with a *prematurely* negative opinion. Permanent change and loss is what a lot of us were worried about months ago.

Maybe I’m just in a glass half empty mood tonight. It’s depressing knowing how much Covid has impacted already, and that some experts (I know, I know) think we aren’t even halfway through. The really empty glass version of me wonders if it’s years before we see nighttime entertainment back daily.

I was in a very cynical mood all weekend, so I feel you.

They’ll bring it back when they feel they have to, not when we want them to. I’m still going in June no matter what. If we all stop going that doesn’t help, either.
 
None of us know what will come back, won’t come back, how long it will take if things come back, but at the end of the day, this was a day that I hope everyone knew at least in the back of their head was coming. There was no chance that Disney was going to la Dee da out of the long closure of the WDW Parks without massive layoffs, that’s just me being a “realist”.

‘It’s hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel when we don’t know how much longer the tunnel is, but the light will shine again.WDW will employ a large contingent of people in Florida again. We just don’t know when.
 
Carlye Wisel has tweeted links to a couple of organizations designated to helping cast members in Orlando. I am not reposting directly because I think it may be against board rules but the links are easy to find. As someone who will sadly not be going back to WDW for a while, I plan to send a chunk of what would normally be my vacation dollars to these groups to help these CMs in some small way. It would be nice if lots of other WDW fans whose trips have been made more magical by the work CMs do everyday would do the same.

Hopefully this post isn’t against the rules on its own - my apologies if it is, Ryan!
 
yes and I think it’s ok to be upset about both of those things. It sucks across the board.
I just want to say that not only is it okay to feel that way but I think that it’s almost expected. We all care so much about this place — more than “just a vacation” for so many — so to watch what makes it so special (the Cast, long-time entertainers, etc..) whither away is really hard. As I had talked about back in July, in a way, Disney has helped me fully grasp and realize not only how long we’ll be living with this “current normal” but what kind of effects it will have after it’s all “over.”
 
Carlye Wisel has tweeted links to a couple of organizations designated to helping cast members in Orlando. I am not reposting directly because I think it may be against board rules but the links are easy to find. As someone who will sadly not be going back to WDW for a while, I plan to send a chunk of what would normally be my vacation dollars to these groups to help these CMs in some small way. It would be nice if lots of other WDW fans whose trips have been made more magical by the work CMs do everyday would do the same.

Hopefully this post isn’t against the rules on its own - my apologies if it is, Ryan!
Since it’s a DIS article, I’ll post this here. This is a great place to start for those who have the means to help at the moment:
https://www.wdwinfo.com/news-storie...er-pantry-to-help-others-feed-their-families/
 
Certainly a lot of thoughts on all of this. I suggest reaching out to CMs if you know any. Many are in limbo wondering if they will be one of 30K let go. Also don’t forget about resources they have like Cast Member Pantry.

Disney framed this as basically CA’s fault. In some ways, yes them not opening hurts. With or without that though layoffs would’ve happened unfortunately. This move also makes the decision to restore executive salaries to 100% about 100 times worse.
 
As someone who not too long ago lost a job they loved and now is trying to find work during these miserable times my first thought is how sorry I am for all of those losing their jobs. Especially sad if they are CMS who risked health by returning to work in the parks so others could take vacations...
But this is the way of the world right. Disney is a big business in an industry being decimated by the pandemic. I kind of miss the days when my biggest annoyances were mask debates, reopening uncertainty, and losing my free dining incentive. Now I’m just wondering (and worrying) if life can ever return to some sort of normal. Is WDW ever being what it was the biggest concern I have? Of course not. But it’s still a heartbreaking example of how much we have all lost already and there is no end in site...at least the Yankees are winning right now....take your happiness where you can find it I guess...
 
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