Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[rteetz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1247696511472996352

 

[mshanson3121]

I wouldn't be opposed to wearing one but I just don't see how it would be feasible. How would you eat? How would you swim? How would they enforce it? What about babies? Plus, my 6 year old with sensory issues would surely never keep one on.

You would take it off to eat. Wash your hands after removing it, and again after putting it back on. Same as any cancer, CF etc... patient does. If the restaurants reduce their capacity, it should be easy enough to maintain a 6' distance between tables so the risk is lowered.

Swimming, my guess is they might limit capacity in the pool. Then again, PtP transmission would be reduced in a pool setting given the moisture (higher moisture makes it harder for droplets to spread, so instead of having a 6' spray, it is reduced).

Enforcing it would be easy - no mask, no entrance. Catch you in the park without a mask, you either put one on or you're escorted out.

They don't recommend masks for babies, but that's much easier to manage in a stroller. For starters they don't have the close up, face to face exposure we do and also, a light receiving blanket or even a clear rain shield over the stroller would act as a mask.

The sensory issues... unfortunately that one would probably mean not going until they either a) learn to wear a mask or b) masks are no longer required.

 

[Iowamomof4]

One of the problems with simply adding extra days for Passholders is that the extended time might be in a "season" that is not usable for some. {For instance, I never go in the summer anymore. Between the heat and rain, it's just not fun}. Additionally, it may be difficult to book a flight and the Resort you would prefer in that short window of time. I think they are going to need to expand the grace period further.

Yes! I would love it if they would not just give us back the days the parks were closed, but also tack on an additional period of time to all current AP's. It could be an additional month or whatever they would deem appropriate. I get that they certainly don't have to do it, but it would be a nice gesture.

It certainly doesn't seem very fair if they only PARTIALLY open the parks yet start the clock on AP's at that same time. Giving AP's additional time to account for the partial opening or slow ramp-up to fully functional parks would be the best way for them to not tick off their AP holders.

 

[Jimmy Mouse]

You would take it off to eat. Wash your hands after removing it, and again after putting it back on. Same as any cancer, CF etc... patient does. If the restaurants reduce their capacity, it should be easy enough to maintain a 6' distance between tables so the risk is lowered.

Swimming, my guess is they might limit capacity in the pool. Then again, PtP transmission would be reduced in a pool setting given the moisture (higher moisture makes it harder for droplets to spread, so instead of having a 6' spray, it is reduced).

Enforcing it would be easy - no mask, no entrance. Catch you in the park without a mask, you either put one on or you're escorted out.

They don't recommend masks for babies, but that's much easier to manage in a stroller. For starters they don't have the close up, face to face exposure we do and also, a light receiving blanket or even a clear rain shield over the stroller would act as a mask.

The sensory issues... unfortunately that one would probably mean not going until they either a) learn to wear a mask or b) masks are no longer required.

A clear rain shield gets hot even when it's raining. The kid would cook in the summer heat. It would be like being left in a car.

 

[rteetz]

 

[jlwhitney]

Requiring masks is stupid. If people are not going to wear them correctly, then they may as well not even bother. Most of them are ultimately going to end up on the ground.

And where are we going to get them from? You can't find them in the stores. People are ordering them from overseas. And there is actually a viral video going around social media showing a sweatshop in India making medical masks in unsanitary conditions.

Trump has also said that masks are not going to be mandatory and he's not going to wear one.

Look at all the gloves now people are throwing on the ground.

 

[Aurora0427]

A clear rain shield gets hot even when it's raining. The kid would cook in the summer heat. It would be like being left in a car.

Agree. The rain shields are awful. So warm. Quite frankly if COVID is still so dangerous that there’s a train of thought that a baby or small toddler should be behind a rain shield, Disney parks probably shouldn’t be open.

 

[e_yerger]

No way. And that is an awful analogy. Taking off your shoes at the airport is a 10 minute inconvenience. Wearing a mask at Disney World in 90 degree Florida heat is a 10-12 hour inconvenience. There is NO WAY that is going to fly.

Then don't go to Disney World, if it's going to be that big of an issue for you.

I'm just saying, society as a whole is going to have to compromise and accept that we have to change our natural behaviors. It's going to be hard and uncomfortable and difficult. Maybe masks aren't the end all be all, but change is coming and we need to prepare for it.

 

[rteetz]

I am sure there are numerous ideas being floated around by Disney executives right now. Thats all they are ideas. We are not at the opening of the parks point yet. We are likely at least a month away if not longer. I am sure Disney will have some sort of plan in place before reopening. They have done pretty well so far with how they have handled things. They aren't going to take this lightly nor should they. The parks are a huge revenue stream for them.

 

[wareagle57]

Why limit travel from outside of the US entirely, especially from countries that are further along the curve than the US? I suspect it will be lifting restrictions from other countries on a case by case basis.

Because not being overly cautious is what got it here in the first place and could be what brings a second wave. You don’t have to limit it completely but you need to limit it to people who are tested.

Its not about one country being “worse” than the other with the virus. It’s about keeping it where it is, just like social distancing is. the less travel allowed, the more contained it will be. If you don’t let people cross state lines, some states can know they are 100% virus free and let people go back to work.

 

[vinotinto]

I’m looking at how/when they reopen Shanghai Disney because it’s likely they will follow the same processes and procedures at WDW. They have reopened the Shanghai Disneyland Hotel and they have reopened some of the restaurants in Shanghai Downtown Disney. They have not yet opened the Park. This suggests they will do a phased opening at WDW, when the time is right.

Note that Temperature checks and Masks are required at Shanghai Disney at all times (except for eating, of course).
“The resort will provide an extensive range of measures, designed to ensure a safe and healthy experience for all guests, Cast Members and Disneytown tenant employees, including strict and comprehensive approaches on sanitization, disinfection and cleanliness. In accordance with relevant regulations, every guest entering Shanghai Disney Resort will be required to undergo temperature screening procedures and present their Shanghai QR Code. Only guests with a green Shanghai QR Code will be allowed to enter the resort. Guests must wear a mask during their entire visit (except when dining), and will also be reminded to maintain respectful social distances at all times while in stores, queues and restaurants.
https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/rules/
It really is not a far fetched idea that they will require wearing masks once they reopen WDW.

 

[kittlesona]

I’m looking at how/when they reopen Shanghai Disney because it’s likely they will follow the same processes and procedures at WDW. They have reopened the Shanghai Disneyland Hotel and they have reopened some of the restaurants in Shanghai Downtown Disney. They have not yet opened the Park. This suggests they will do a phased opening at WDW, when the time is right.

Note that Temperature checks and Masks are required at Shanghai Disney at all times (except for eating, of course).
“The resort will provide an extensive range of measures, designed to ensure a safe and healthy experience for all guests, Cast Members and Disneytown tenant employees, including strict and comprehensive approaches on sanitization, disinfection and cleanliness. In accordance with relevant regulations, every guest entering Shanghai Disney Resort will be required to undergo temperature screening procedures and present their Shanghai QR Code. Only guests with a green Shanghai QR Code will be allowed to enter the resort. Guests must wear a mask during their entire visit (except when dining), and will also be reminded to maintain respectful social distances at all times while in stores, queues and restaurants.
https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/rules/
It really is not a far fetched idea that they will require wearing masks once they reopen WDW.

Thank you so much for bringing this up. This has been on my mind as I read the last few pages. If it’s common practice at another Disney Park it feels highly likely that WDW will do the same.

 

[fsjking]

Almost zero chance Disney forces masks. The only two scenarios where it even gets serious discussion are government mandate forcing people to wear them, or this lasts multiple years, many many more people die than the models predict and all of american society is changed to the point masks are commonplace.

 

[havoc315]

Requiring masks is stupid. If people are not going to wear them correctly, then they may as well not even bother. Most of them are ultimately going to end up on the ground.

And where are we going to get them from? You can't find them in the stores. People are ordering them from overseas. And there is actually a viral video going around social media showing a sweatshop in India making medical masks in unsanitary conditions.

Trump has also said that masks are not going to be mandatory and he's not going to wear one.

This isn’t hard. Disney has 2 months to make their own masks. They can give them out with the magic bands.
I’m seeing lots of ads pop up for customized masks, ready to go.
lots of instructions on making your own mask from your clothing or a scarf.

The countries that have successfully contained the virus are mandating masks.

hmmm... South Korea mandates masks... the virus is under control. Italy refused to use masks, the virus spiraled out of control.

so it’s stupid to emulate South Korea... much rather be like Italy?

Masks work. No, they don’t 100%eliminate transmission.
But if an asymptomatic carrier is wearing a mask — including just a scarf over their face — it dramatically reduces their ability to spread in infection. It thereby reduces the retransmission (R0) rate.
If 10 asymptomatic carriers enter the park... would you rather they infect 25 additional people (no stupid masks!) or they re-infect only 3 people (those stupid masks capturing the moisture leaving their mouths).

 

[havoc315]

Almost zero chance Disney forces masks. The only two scenarios where it even gets serious discussion are government mandate forcing people to wear them, or this lasts multiple years, many many more people die than the models predict and all of american society is changed to the point masks are commonplace.

masks are now commonplace where I live. Went grocery shopping, 90% of the customers and 100% of the staff were wearing masks.
Some localities already are starting to mandate them.
If Disney doesn’t mandate masks and people get sick in the park, Disney should be sued by those families for their extraordinary negligence.

Those models — the low numbers assume social distancing,MASKS, etc. if you don’t social distance, don’t do the temperature checks and don’t do masks... that’s when you get a million deaths.

 

[maxaroni]

Getting back to the taking of the temp, I am in the camp of it being pointless. However, I think it is more for a standpoint of looking like they are doing something, as well as making one feel more secure in seeing something is being done. I do think it needs to be in conjunction with other efforts, although, not quite sure what. When the country starts opening up, it will be in stages, I believe. This is all new territory and people are figuring out things as we go. As far as the temp taking, let’s say I enter the park at 8:00 AM, scanned and fine. 10:00 AM comes and I spike a temp. Now, I am contagious and most probably contagious when I enter the park.

 

[xuxa777]

I wouldn't say zero chance , I heard Disney loses $60 Million a day with the parks closed. If opening sooner requires masks then I bet they open, wearing a mask is trival compared to that. Also Disney will not be the only place that requires masks, you will see them at malls and major large gatherings for a while. The general public will have to get used to them because the other choice is to continue "stay at home" orders. Wearing a mask (really on a face covering) in public areas is a minor sacrifice to get the economy and the country back open safely.

 

[Jimmy Mouse]

Disney is not that important to me or my family if the only way we can go is if we wear a mask. We were supposed to be there right now but you know what? It really doesn't bother me and I thought it would. If a mask is optional I will go. No one in my family has underlying health issues.

 

[xuxa777]

Getting back to the taking of the temp, I am in the camp of it being pointless. However, I think it is more for a standpoint of looking like they are doing something, as well as making one feel more secure in seeing something is being done. I do think it needs to be in conjunction with other efforts, although, not quite sure what. When the country starts opening up, it will be in stages, I believe. This is all new territory and people are figuring out things as we go. As far as the temp taking, let’s say I enter the park at 8:00 AM, scanned and fine. 10:00 AM comes and I spike a temp. Now, I am contagious and most probably contagious when I enter the park.

Taking temperature is not a 100% solution no one has said it is (anyone postulate scenerios where it would not work to catch every case), like others have said, it is one part of mitigation that will allow the stay at home orders to be lifted, parks open, sports played etc. Other options is to not have Disney open until we have a vaccine , which is next year at the earliest. Yeah some will think it is the worst thing and will not go, but the majority of people will go and glad to have to parks open in a relatively safer environment.

 

[xuxa777]

Disney is not that important to me or my family if the only way we can go is if we wear a mask. We were supposed to be there right now but you know what? It really doesn't bother me and I thought it would. If a mask is optional I will go. No one in my family has underlying health issues.

Ths is the part that causes the spread or transmission, you could be spreading it to multiple people and not know. The masks are to protect others, not protecting you from getting it.