Creationism museum to be protested...

[Laura]

Jenfur, are you saying that all of the stories on that page are just stories? Since all of the stories differ, they all can't be the literal truth.

Do you accept the Jicarilla Apache worldwide flood story as literal truth?
Do you accept the Smith River flood story as literal truth?
How about the Ipurina flood story?
What about the Hebrew Noah story? Is that the real true one?
Personally, I like the Cameroon story. It makes as much sense as "Noah's Ark"...

Well, there is the possibility that in the Middle East there was a great flood, which could explain why some of the flood stories originating from there are so similar (with boats and animals and everything). It's not out of the question. But by her reckoning, remembering a similar origin should include how the world was created. And those stories don't match.

 

[dcentity2000]

Wrong. Evolution is an observable phenomenon. It is a fact. It happens. There is evidence. The theory of evolution merely attempts to explain how. Now, I'd love to know how "adaptation" isn't evolution.

Took the words right out of my mouth!



Rich::

 

[Saxsoon]

No, it isn't. There is ample evidence that early christianity borrowed heavily from religious myths of the time in order to help draw in more of the largely pagan population. Everything from origin myths to traditions like Christmas (the midwinter festival), Easter (the fertility rights practiced at the time), and the Christ myth (which borrows Zeus' birthday, the resurrection from another tradition, and several other things).

So no...that isn't a possibility.

I hope you realize the Genesis story existed long before the big bad Christians came around.

 

[cardaway]

Not to debate, but are you saying that dinosaurs existed at the same time as man, despite a fossil record that shows otherwise? I don't want to put words in your mouth...

Are you also suggesting that the wide variety of dogs that exist now all evolved from two dogs on an ark a few thousand years ago?

Sure looks like it. Totally impossible, but she wouldn't be the first to make that false claim.

 

[dannyh23]

I hope you realize the Genesis story existed long before the big bad Christians came around.

Not to speak for wvrevy, but yes, I know that the genesis "story" existed long, long before someone a long time ago figured out how it write it down and pass it along.

In fact, lots of people wrote it down, and someone else (more recently in the grand scheme of things) had to figure out which parts of the written down stories were "right".

Before that, it was one big giant game of Telephone. We all know how well that game works at keeping stories straight.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Sure, but how does this make the flood story in Genesis correct over all the others? It's still borrowing from others' ideas, and these religions with similar flood stories in Mesopotamia don't have the same creation stories. It proves to me that the Bible is not the infallible word of God.

The Bible did not borrow from other's ideas and religions. It IS the Word of God.

Similar ideas or stories by others or their religions does not disprove the Bible.

 

[Laura]

The Bible did not borrow from other's ideas and religions. It IS the Word of God.

Similar ideas or stories by others or their religions does not disprove the Bible.

Whatever floats your boat, Joe.

 

[PrincessTiff]

Dino fossils were put here by God to mess with human scientists, right?

(at least that's what one Christian told me)

 

[PrincessTiff]

Although dinosaurs aren't mentioned in Genesis, it is widely believed by some scientists that Noah's sons (who are mentioned in Genesis) road flying dinosaurs. See:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0605/flyingdinos.html

ETA: Had me going for a minute.

I rode a flying pig the other day too...

 

[Laura]

People believe this?

I rode a flying pig the other day too...

No, that's just a joke, but it had me going for a minute too!

 

[Ariel Mae]

This is exactly why I have no intention of teaching my future children about a specific religion but a little bit about ALL of them (at least the major ones: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism...). Kids don't belong to a religion - they're not old enough to understand. When they're old enough to choose a religion - or none - I'll support that decision, but I'm sure as heck not going to make that decision for them!

Of all the posts I've read in this thread, this has got to be one of the best. I agree, wholeheartedly, and am following this exact way of raising my future children.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Of all the posts I've read in this thread, this has got to be one of the best. I agree, wholeheartedly, and am following this exact way of raising my future children.

Why leave the most important decision of their life soley to them?? If they are not old enought to understand, we need to aid their understanding.

Kids do belong to God. It's better that they know Him at an early age.

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. (Proverbs 22:6)

 

[dcentity2000]

Don't we owe it to our children and the Lord to raise our children to be curious and inquisitive as opposed to blindly obedient? A child who turns willingly to Christianity is worth ten who are pushed into it.

Just an opinion



Rich::

 

[Ariel Mae]

Why leave the most important decision of their life soley to them?? If they are not old enought to understand, we need to aid their understanding.

Well, because it's their life, not ours. Their decision, not ours. That's the problem. We can aid to their understanding by teaching them all, teaching them the good, the bad, and the ugly. But, in the end, personally, I believe, it is up to the child. They don't have to be the same religion as the parents. They don't have to be the same faith as their ancestors. The path their feet land upon is the path into which they must heed. Not the path of their father, nor their mother, but the path of their own. Otherwise, it's not their path, anymore.

Kids do belong to God. It's better that they know Him at an early age.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe in the Christian God, so that Proverb does not apply to my faith/belief system. What I do believe is that the religion comes to the children, not the children to the religion. I don't believe in forcing a child into religion. No matter what. They will find it on their own.

 

[Ariel Mae]

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

And, yet, we still have people straying from their paths as they get older, and their eyes open to the world around them.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Don't we owe it to our children and the Lord to raise our children to be curious and inquisitive as opposed to blindly obedient? A child who turns willingly to Christianity is worth ten who are pushed into it.

Just an opinion


Rich::

No, not blindly obediant. If they see God's love thru His Word and their parents, I believe turning to Christianty will be something that most children will willingly embrace.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Well, because it's their life, not ours. Their decision, not ours. That's the problem. We can aid to their understanding by teaching them all, teaching them the good, the bad, and the ugly. But, in the end, personally, I believe, it is up to the child. They don't have to be the same religion as the parents. They don't have to be the same faith as their ancestors. The path their feet land upon is the path into which they must heed. Not the path of their father, nor their mother, but the path of their own. Otherwise, it's not their path, anymore.



I'm sorry, but I don't believe in the Christian God, so that Proverb does not apply to my faith/belief system. What I do believe is that the religion comes to the children, not the children to the religion. I don't believe in forcing a child into religion. No matter what. They will find it on their own.

We are still to guide them. It is too important not to. Ultimately, yes, it will be up to them.

 

[dcentity2000]

Joe, just to clarify, what do you endorse?

1. Total autonomy for your children when it comes to choosing religion or lack thereof;
2. Partial favouring of a religion in teachings;
3. Pushing your children towards a certain relgion.

All options retain the right later in life to independently challenge, accept or reject their stance, be it of their own free will or of the will of the parent.



Rich::

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

We are still to guide them. It is too important not to. Ultimately, yes, it will be up to them.

sorry, but to guide them - in my mind - is to present them with ALL the information they need so they can truly decide what is right in their hearts.

to present them with only one option is more akin to controlling or forcing them along one narrow path. They can't say they know what is right in their own heart - if they have only known one way and have no true choice: is it really what they feel in their heart or is it all they know?


DD will have knowledge of all religions, beliefs, choices - when she is an adult then she can decide what she knows to be the answer in her heart.

 

[dcentity2000]

sorry, but to guide them - in my mind - is to present them with ALL the information they need so they can truly decide what is right in their hearts.

to present them with only one option is more akin to controlling or forcing them along one narrow path. They can't say they know what is right in their own heart - if they have only known one way and have no true choice: is it really what they feel in their heart or is it all they know?


DD will have knowledge of all religions, beliefs, choices - when she is an adult then she can decide what she knows to be the answer in her heart.

BINGO! Very well said



Rich::