Covid And The Rest of Us

[Jrb1979]

Really once those that are most likely to have a severe case or be hospitalized are vaccinated and those numbers decrease the gene ram public isn’t going to tolerate the strict restrictions for much longer.

I for one would love it if social distancing is a permanent thing. I fully enjoy having my personal space.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I for one would love it if social distancing is a permanent thing. I fully enjoy having my personal space.

Wanting a bit of space around you (I'm thinking the checkout area for one which I don't disagree with) isn't the same as social distancing. I doubt you'd like to be at least 6ft from everyone including your family and friends for all time and social distancing is just that, 6ft apart from those not living in your household. I'll be glad when that is a thing of the past but I wouldn't mind spatial awareness (which is a bit more of what you seem to mean) to be a bit more on people's minds.

 

[jlwhitney]

I for one would love it if social distancing is a permanent thing. I fully enjoy having my personal space.

I can agree to that! Or maybe people will have more awareness how close they actually are....but I doubt it lol. I really don't want to ever be on a disney bus with how smashed in they use to be.

 

[White Cat]

I for one would love it if social distancing is a permanent thing. I fully enjoy having my personal space.

Then don’t ever move to South America.

 

[NFLDERS]

In Toronto, Canada a challenge is being put forth by a church regarding gathering restrictions...

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/12/09/toronto-church-challenging-covid19-lockdown-rules/

 

[BadPinkTink]

You might see reports of 2 UK nurses having an allergic reaction to the Pfizer Covid vaccine. In order to not cause even more distrust in the vaccine, these 2 nurses have severe allergies and carry an adrenaline Epipen on a daily basis. Just like with everything else in day to day life, a very small amount of people will have a reaction. This is normal and nothing to get worked up about.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ions-not-to-have-pfizer-biontech-jab-12155916

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

You might see reports of 2 UK nurses having an allergic reaction to the Pfizer Covid vaccine. In order to not cause even more distrust in the vaccine, these 2 nurses have severe allergies and carry an adrenaline Epipen on a daily basis. Just like with everything else in day to day life, a very small amount of people will have a reaction. This is normal and nothing to get worked up about.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ions-not-to-have-pfizer-biontech-jab-12155916

We were just talking about that on a different thread.

Within the article a person posted in that thread : "Vaccine expert Dr. Paul Offit said that rather than a "blanket recommendation" for people with allergies, "the smarter thing to do would be to try and look at these two patients and see what specific component of the vaccine they were allergic to."

Unfortunately people will see allergies and run with it but the 2 people mentioned had a history of significant severe reactions and is different than allergies in general and mild reactions.

The general consensus on that other thread seems to be just like you mentioned not something to get worked up about presently.

 

[NFLDERS]

You might see reports of 2 UK nurses having an allergic reaction to the Pfizer Covid vaccine. In order to not cause even more distrust in the vaccine, these 2 nurses have severe allergies and carry an adrenaline Epipen on a daily basis. Just like with everything else in day to day life, a very small amount of people will have a reaction. This is normal and nothing to get worked up about.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ions-not-to-have-pfizer-biontech-jab-12155916

We are watching this closely as Dh uses an Epipen when in bee sting situations, and I am sensitive to any meds I've ever had to take. My body reacts with almost all possible side effect reactions, and I'm sulfa sensitive too.

 

[BadPinkTink]

We were just talking about that on a different thread.

Within the article a person posted in that thread : "Vaccine expert Dr. Paul Offit said that rather than a "blanket recommendation" for people with allergies, "the smarter thing to do would be to try and look at these two patients and see what specific component of the vaccine they were allergic to."

Unfortunately people will see allergies and run with it but the 2 people mentioned had a history of significant severe reactions and is different than allergies in general and mild reactions.

The general consensus on that other thread seems to be just like you mentioned not something to get worked up about presently.

exactly, people will see oh they had an allergic reaction, therefore thats it I'm not taking it, but don't realize that these two people carry EpiPen's, so they KNOW that in every day life they could have a reaction at any time.

 

[NFLDERS]

Then this!
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/nati...gnore-orders-to-help-distribute-covid-vaccine

 

[BadPinkTink]

Then this!
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/nati...gnore-orders-to-help-distribute-covid-vaccine

YIKES!!!

 

[dez1978]

I need to vent for a second and maybe this isn't the place for it, but since it's a covid thread..... Here goes..

We own a few restaurants. My husband started this business 15 years or so ago. He's busted his behind working upwards of 80 hrs a week most of the time. As a family we've made sacrifices and adjustments working towards his goal of being able to have everything stable enough that he could me home most of the time and have a general manager that oversaw everything. We were sooo close. Like in December we took the final step in a series of moves that I won't bore you with, but it was a significant layout of cash. Which would have been fine, because in a year, with normal sales, we would have recouped that, and normal cash flow would have allowed us to still pay bills. Then Covid. Only one of our restaurants has been able to reopen due to local restrictions. Sales are down there about 30%. We've literally put everything we have towards trying to survive this, and it's just not going to happen. Banks still want their money. Utilities and taxes and rent still have to be paid. the $ from the PPP act and stuff only went so far with 300 employees. We simply can't recover from this. And then I see friends on FB who really haven't suffered at all financially from this talking about the ppl who want businesses to stay open are selfish and awful people. Thats all well and good and I completely understand where they are coming from. But on the other side of that, there are millions of people watching their dreams and entire livelihoods go down the drain right now. And those people aren't selfish awful people for wanting to find a way to survive this. They aren't horrible for wanting to find a way to safely remain open. First world problem, I know. But I think sometimes its easy for people to only focus on the big companies like walmart or whatever, and how they can totally financially make it through this, without ever taking into account how this affects small business owners.

 

[mommasita]

Health Canada approved Pfizer vaccine. https://apple.news/AzPjhyJQIRXGAHQFt_iT7ig

 

[mommasita]

I need to vent for a second and maybe this isn't the place for it, but since it's a covid thread..... Here goes..

We own a few restaurants. My husband started this business 15 years or so ago. He's busted his behind working upwards of 80 hrs a week most of the time. As a family we've made sacrifices and adjustments working towards his goal of being able to have everything stable enough that he could me home most of the time and have a general manager that oversaw everything. We were sooo close. Like in December we took the final step in a series of moves that I won't bore you with, but it was a significant layout of cash. Which would have been fine, because in a year, with normal sales, we would have recouped that, and normal cash flow would have allowed us to still pay bills. Then Covid. Only one of our restaurants has been able to reopen due to local restrictions. Sales are down there about 30%. We've literally put everything we have towards trying to survive this, and it's just not going to happen. Banks still want their money. Utilities and taxes and rent still have to be paid. the $ from the PPP act and stuff only went so far with 300 employees. We simply can't recover from this. And then I see friends on FB who really haven't suffered at all financially from this talking about the ppl who want businesses to stay open are selfish and awful people. Thats all well and good and I completely understand where they are coming from. But on the other side of that, there are millions of people watching their dreams and entire livelihoods go down the drain right now. And those people aren't selfish awful people for wanting to find a way to survive this. They aren't horrible for wanting to find a way to safely remain open. First world problem, I know. But I think sometimes its easy for people to only focus on the big companies like walmart or whatever, and how they can totally financially make it through this, without ever taking into account how this affects small business owners.

I am really sorry for everything you and your family are going through. I can not speak for everyone, but I have many friends who are restaurant owners, so I although I don’t “ know” firsthand what you are living, I have a lot of compassion.
We have so many fundraisers for small business owners, mainly restaurants in our area, we support by take out (closed here), as often as we can.
With numbers here so high, death high, etc, I can’t see them open, but don’t denounce so many, because I would much rather give to you than Walmart.

I wish you nothing but the best.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I need to vent for a second and maybe this isn't the place for it, but since it's a covid thread..... Here goes..

We own a few restaurants. My husband started this business 15 years or so ago. He's busted his behind working upwards of 80 hrs a week most of the time. As a family we've made sacrifices and adjustments working towards his goal of being able to have everything stable enough that he could me home most of the time and have a general manager that oversaw everything. We were sooo close. Like in December we took the final step in a series of moves that I won't bore you with, but it was a significant layout of cash. Which would have been fine, because in a year, with normal sales, we would have recouped that, and normal cash flow would have allowed us to still pay bills. Then Covid. Only one of our restaurants has been able to reopen due to local restrictions. Sales are down there about 30%. We've literally put everything we have towards trying to survive this, and it's just not going to happen. Banks still want their money. Utilities and taxes and rent still have to be paid. the $ from the PPP act and stuff only went so far with 300 employees. We simply can't recover from this. And then I see friends on FB who really haven't suffered at all financially from this talking about the ppl who want businesses to stay open are selfish and awful people. Thats all well and good and I completely understand where they are coming from. But on the other side of that, there are millions of people watching their dreams and entire livelihoods go down the drain right now. And those people aren't selfish awful people for wanting to find a way to survive this. They aren't horrible for wanting to find a way to safely remain open. First world problem, I know. But I think sometimes its easy for people to only focus on the big companies like walmart or whatever, and how they can totally financially make it through this, without ever taking into account how this affects small business owners.

Don't feel bad at all for venting. Just because you live in a first world doesn't mean you don't still want security financially. It's all too easy for things to happen that take security away and with that comes much more than people realize.

I really hope y'all make it through

 

[tlcdoula]

I need to vent for a second and maybe this isn't the place for it, but since it's a covid thread..... Here goes..

I am so sorry your family is going through this, I want to thank you for fighting so hard not only for yourself but for your employees. We do need to be shopping at the little stores, going to the local restaurants and supporting all the families that are trying to survive. I wish you and your family all the best...

 

[NFLDERS]

I need to vent for a second and maybe this isn't the place for it, but since it's a covid thread..... Here goes..

We own a few restaurants. My husband started this business 15 years or so ago. He's busted his behind working upwards of 80 hrs a week most of the time. As a family we've made sacrifices and adjustments working towards his goal of being able to have everything stable enough that he could me home most of the time and have a general manager that oversaw everything. We were sooo close. Like in December we took the final step in a series of moves that I won't bore you with, but it was a significant layout of cash. Which would have been fine, because in a year, with normal sales, we would have recouped that, and normal cash flow would have allowed us to still pay bills. Then Covid. Only one of our restaurants has been able to reopen due to local restrictions. Sales are down there about 30%. We've literally put everything we have towards trying to survive this, and it's just not going to happen. Banks still want their money. Utilities and taxes and rent still have to be paid. the $ from the PPP act and stuff only went so far with 300 employees. We simply can't recover from this. And then I see friends on FB who really haven't suffered at all financially from this talking about the ppl who want businesses to stay open are selfish and awful people. Thats all well and good and I completely understand where they are coming from. But on the other side of that, there are millions of people watching their dreams and entire livelihoods go down the drain right now. And those people aren't selfish awful people for wanting to find a way to survive this. They aren't horrible for wanting to find a way to safely remain open. First world problem, I know. But I think sometimes its easy for people to only focus on the big companies like walmart or whatever, and how they can totally financially make it through this, without ever taking into account how this affects small business owners.

This Canadian also sends my empathy to you and yours.

 

[gotomu212]

So that's interesting about holding back the shipment itself. To my knowledge that hadn't been mentioned before. Just that the amount sent would be for X number of people when considering 2 doses.

Like the wording from my state, which is still assuming EUA is granted, was "Kansas’ 23,750 doses from Pfizer won’t cover the 40,000 people in the top priority group. Each person needs two doses, so only about 16,875 people in the state will get immunized. Missouri’s 50,000 will take care of about 25,000 people." Both of those numbers are from the first shipment and don't include the numbers mentioned for by the end of the month. But that wasn't official communication from either state saying that's what they will do either depleting the full supply they get and then circling back or if they will only vaccinate about 16,875 and 50,000 people respectively despite the wording saying "will get immunized".

There was a discussion on the other thread where Dr. Gottleib I guess was saying basically to deplete the shipment even with a small risk of a subsequent shipment with doses (that would give the first people their second dose) not making it in time, but another article mentioned experts saying it was critical people get the second dosage due to effectiveness (which would cast doubts on the depleting supply) but now Pfizer has come out discussing the effectiveness based on 1 dose. Seriously it's a bit like whiplash here!

This seems like something that could vary all over not only in the U.S. but also throughout the world how they will handle multiple doses. I'm actually intrigued now how different places will do this. One of my biggest concerns is consistent shipments that arrive in time for the second dose (21 days for Pfizer, 28 days for Moderna) and of course hearing about the U.S.'s issues with the amount they purchased from Pfizer is putting doubt on that, that's why your mention of holding doses in reserve would actually work out. The concern of people only getting 1 dose and unable to get the 2nd dose because there aren't any supplies available at that time wouldn't be there so long as the doses meant for the second shot stay specifically in reserve for the people who got it the first time.

Sorry..I know kinda rambling here hope I'm making sense


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On a random note apparently my state will have 5 to 6 distribution centers located throughout the state though locations of such have not been disclosed. I will automatically assume one will be in my area simply because we are right by the major airport in a very populated area with easy access to the main highway that feeds east to west of the state and we are a big rail and trucking hub but of course I can't confirm that.

Actually taking delivery and holding half on hand for the second dose can’t work due to vaccine viability. Pfitzer’s isn’t very stable. Once it arrives the clock is ticking and they need to use them all within 5 days which doesn’t meet the second dose timeframe. It’s going to have to be delayed delivery.

 

[SirDuff]

Actually taking delivery and holding half on hand for the second dose can’t work due to vaccine viability. Pfitzer’s isn’t very stable. Once it arrives the clock is ticking and they need to use them all within 5 days which doesn’t meet the second dose timeframe. It’s going to have to be delayed delivery.

The five day clock only starts when removed from the -70C freezer. It can stay in the freezer for much longer than that (long enough to meet the second dose time frame). So, you cannot deliver to the doctor's office etc., but the country, state, county can take possession.

 

[White Cat]

In Toronto, Canada a challenge is being put forth by a church regarding gathering restrictions...

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/12/09/toronto-church-challenging-covid19-lockdown-rules/

Let’s hope they win that challenge.