Covid-19 closer to "home" than I'd anticipated...

[wgeo]

Take a look at the numbers out of South Korea. They are going the opposite way. They are only looking at about 1-1.5% and dropping.

Ok, so stats from one country are much higher and one country is lower - so that doesn't exactly prove that the number is dropping overall.

I think that's the main problem is that it is too soon to actually "know" yet. We have ideas about what is currently happening and how that will extrapolate to other countries but we simply don't know.

 

[Minnie1222]

"Someone" had stolen 1/3 of masks from a box I kept at home. I know exactly who the culprit is since I have indoors surveillance. I am beyond disappointed. My husband told me to let it go and pretend we don't know. This virus really is bringing out the worst in some people.

 

[Wendy31]

Yeah I'd also like to see where the information is coming from that the death rate is improving in developed countries. Because Italy just upped their death total to 631 out of 10149 cases. That doesn't seem like a rate that is dropping to me. It's actually over 5% unless I am misunderstanding how they calculate these things.

Right.

The statistics in Italy are very concerning to me.

And, currently, if you look at the number of confirmed cases in the US & our current number of fatalities, our statistics don’t look that great either. Yes, I know (I think!) our COVID-19 deaths have all happened to those in the “elderly” category, but, still, the ratio isn’t great. And I think we all know and are close to people in the elderly category.

People keep saying, it’s just the flu!”

But it’s not just the flu - it is spread more easily than the flu &, so far, the death rate has been higher than the flu.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Yesterday, the man went to a pre scheduled medical appointment at a doctor's office.
He said everyone reeked of medical alcohol and soap both clientele and staff.
Told him to not be worried if anyone smelt of vodka since it's the new disinfectant.

 

[Wendy31]

We now have 7 cases in our state, & they stopped releasing where the cases are.

 

[leebee]

Right now, as I type, CNN is reporting 29 deaths and 950 reported cases, so that's about a 3% case fatality rate (CFR), which is more than 10 times that for seasonal flu.

 

[RamblingMad]

Right now, as I type, CNN is reporting 29 deaths and 950 reported cases, so that's about a 3% case fatality rate (CFR), which is more than 10 times that for seasonal flu.

I’m seeing +270 today.

 

[TLSnell1981]

We now have 7 cases in our state, & they stopped releasing where the cases are.

Not knowing where they are shouldn’t change your behavior. Be proactive and use the necessary precautions...regardless.

Right now, as I type, CNN is reporting 29 deaths and 950 reported cases, so that's about a 3% case fatality rate (CFR), which is more than 10 times that for seasonal flu.

You do know the stats are skewed...right?

Ok, so stats from one country are much higher and one country is lower - so that doesn't exactly prove that the number is dropping overall.

Italy's population is the oldest in Europe..roughly 25% are elderly. Also, only the sickest are being treated. The system is overwhelmed and those with milder cases aren't being tested or treated.

 

[LilyWDW]

Right now, as I type, CNN is reporting 29 deaths and 950 reported cases, so that's about a 3% case fatality rate (CFR), which is more than 10 times that for seasonal flu.

Which is skewed because there is NO way we know the true number of cases out there. We are seeing the numbers from those who have been tested. (1) Not everyone is going to seek out medical assistance and testing especially when they have a mild case and (2) we did not test for a VERY long time. This has already been in the US for months. We just did not know it for sure because we did not have a test. Someone's cold? Or flu? Or upper respiratory infection? Could have easily been Covid19.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

Apparently there was a toilet paper shortage in the early 70's, caused somewhat indirectly by Johnny Carson. My mom was telling me about this, I was just a little kid so I have no recollection of it, but just shows you how something on TV can start a panic: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toilet-rumor/

 

[sndral]

I think there are millions and millions of people with the exact same thing on their mind today, whether or not they are aware of having even a vague chance of contact. I've heard so much on social media that points out just how uninformed many are of the symptoms of Covid. It has a very specific and limited set of identified symptoms; there's no report of it causing sniffles, sneezing, sinus congestion, weepy eyes, sore throat, body aches or any type of gastro-intestinal effects. A lady I heard on a radio talk show yesterday insisted it caused bloody diarrhea, which is why everybody is buying toilet paper. Seriously. Here's what the CDC has to say and based on this, leebee, you can rest a little easier:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html

Page 12 of the 2/28, WHO report on China’s data gives you the % of cases reporting various symptoms including sore throat (13.9%) and diarrhea (3.7%) https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...na-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
The CDC’s list of 3 symptoms most likely focused on the most common, but it’s not exhaustive.

 

[lovin'fl]

DH has coworker who was in China in Jan. And he has another coworker whose wife works in hospice where an older patient had visit from family member from CA. After family member left the hospice patient developed a high fever and the coworker's wife has been put on home quarantine. DH and I are feeling mildly crummy. Not bad and no fever. But run down, scratchy throat and runny nose. Maybe more allergies or a cold. Just wish we knew. We have elderly parents with health issues who we don't want to go around just in case.

But our area seems okay though I am staying at home as much as possible. Been home for about 10 days except a quick grocery run yesterday. No empty shelves at all. Could get anything. But did notice one of the 3 cashiers was hacking up a lung. Not sure why she was there working.

 

[MrsCobraBubbles]

I actually think the incubation time isn't right, so I'm not truly worried, but it does make one pause and wonder. I don't imagine that many people will be able to self-quarantine; who's going to earn a living to pay the mortgage (and health insurance premiums)? It's going to be a mess if it's as widespread here as in Asia and Europe, because I don't know many people who would self-incubate, even if they did have the days off. I just don't think people will do it.

I was pleasantly surprised to get an email from my bank saying that they would help people financially effected by the coronavirus. Probably they just want to give people loans, but the way it was worded was nice

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I was pleasantly surprised to get an email from my bank saying that they would help people financially effected by the coronavirus. Probably they just want to give people loans, but the way it was worded was nice

Did they mention a prince in Nigeria?

 

[goofy4prez]

I’m not seeing a media frenzy locally or on any of the platforms where I get my news. All I’m seeing is reporting of cases as the come up, cdc info being reported, etc. Exactly what makes it a frenzy?

Media frenzy? That's all I hear on the news, Coronavirus, Coronavirus, Coronavirus. Stock up on supplies, plan in case you are quarantined, cancel your vacation plans, prepare for the worst. Stock market plummeting, That to me is a media feeding frenzy. Sneeze in a public building and your looked at as a leper and someone is calling security to report you as a carrier. I live in the state of Ohio and there were 3 confirmed cases of Coronavirus yesterday. Within hours the Governor declared Ohio a state of emergency. People are buying out bottled water, toilet paper, soap, hand sanitizer, Lysol and so on. Ohio State University is now going remote, Kent State is now going remote, my wife's job (major bank) is now working remote out of home; go on vacation or leave the city you are required to report where you went. People are stealing soap containers out of restaurants, places of business and etc. Frezny??? Not attacking you at all, but in my 56 years of existence on this earth, this is the worst I have ever seen it. Lepers, Salem witch hunt, and now the Coronavirus epidemic.

 

[goofy4prez]

Did they mention a prince in Nigeria?

She is correct. A major bank out of Pittsburgh and has a large presence here in Ohio has made it public offering help to those who may become victim of the Coronavirus hysteria.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Media frenzy? That's all I hear on the news, Coronavirus, Coronavirus, Coronavirus. Stock up on supplies, plan in case you are quarantined, cancel your vacation plans, prepare for the worst. Stock market plummeting, That to me is a media feeding frenzy. Sneeze in a public building and your looked at as a leper and someone is calling security to report you as a carrier. I live in the state of Ohio and there were 3 confirmed cases of Coronavirus yesterday. Within hours the Governor declared Ohio a state of emergency. People are buying out bottled water, toilet paper, soap, hand sanitizer, Lysol and so on. Ohio State University is now going remote, Kent State is now going remote, my wife's job (major bank) is now working remote out of home; go on vacation or leave the city you are required to report where you went. People are stealing soap containers out of restaurants, places of business and etc. Frezny??? Not attacking you at all, but in my 56 years of existence on this earth, this is the worst I have ever seen it. Lepers, Salem witch hunt, and now the Coronavirus epidemic.

This just tells you how good we have had it in the US. Most of the world has seen far worse than this time and again.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

She is correct. A major bank out of Pittsburgh and has a large presence here in Ohio has made it public offering help to those who may become victim of the Coronavirus hysteria.

I was just trying to inject some levity

 

[LSUmiss]

Media frenzy? That's all I hear on the news, Coronavirus, Coronavirus, Coronavirus. Stock up on supplies, plan in case you are quarantined, cancel your vacation plans, prepare for the worst. Stock market plummeting, That to me is a media feeding frenzy. Sneeze in a public building and your looked at as a leper and someone is calling security to report you as a carrier. I live in the state of Ohio and there were 3 confirmed cases of Coronavirus yesterday. Within hours the Governor declared Ohio a state of emergency. People are buying out bottled water, toilet paper, soap, hand sanitizer, Lysol and so on. Ohio State University is now going remote, Kent State is now going remote, my wife's job (major bank) is now working remote out of home; go on vacation or leave the city you are required to report where you went. People are stealing soap containers out of restaurants, places of business and etc. Frezny??? Not attacking you at all, but in my 56 years of existence on this earth, this is the worst I have ever seen it. Lepers, Salem witch hunt, and now the Coronavirus epidemic.

Like I said I only get my news from npr, bbc & locally. Most of what I have seen & heard has just been the info & about what precautions to take like hand washing. But yes afar you described does sound like a frenzy. Guess that’s why I never watch or listen to any of those especially the cable news networks.

 

[gotomu212]

Take a look at the numbers out of South Korea. They are going the opposite way. They are only looking at about 1-1.5% and dropping.

S Korea’s numbers may be unique due to one unique factor-their early and comprehensive testing, however many think it’s too soon to use S Korea’s numbers as definitive yet. Given the length of this illness between symptoms and death, we cannot yet say if S. Korea’s rate is dropping OR if their robust testing is catching cases early before some of them end in death? The lag for this can be 4-6 weeks so a positive test today may lead to a death in a month. No one else is catching these very early cases so their positives are found much later in the illness lifecycle.

One very big red flag is S Korea’s reported recovery rate- it’s currently 3%. So about 96% of their cases are still active. I spoke with 2 researchers looking specifically into S Korea’s numbers and they are specifically looking at positive tests from 2 weeks ago and trying to track these to see the final recovery/fatality rate on these and determine if early testing found more “mild” cases OR if they identified future deaths.