Coronavirus and DCL Megathread - Suspension of Departures for the fleet until early November. Booking only available from early December.

[vegs1]

I booked a dover cruise but it’s 100% non refundable as they pick my stateroom

but I’m thinking it could be cancelled the way things are going

surly only fair they give you the 125% of the extra I paid. But I’ll just need to wait and see I guess

Just curious if your travel insurance will cover you since you rebooked for a time knowing the pandemic exists. My girlfriend rebooked a cruise forSeptember in Europe (not DCL) since her May cruise was cancelled but her insurance company has told her she has no coverage for anything related to the virus.

 

[harriet2]

Just curious if your travel insurance will cover you since you rebooked for a time knowing the pandemic exists. My girlfriend rebooked a cruise forSeptember in Europe (not DCL) since her May cruise was cancelled but her insurance company has told her she has no coverage for anything related to the virus.

Our insurance already excluded pandemics to begin with

 

[BadPinkTink]

Just curious if your travel insurance will cover you since you rebooked for a time knowing the pandemic exists. My girlfriend rebooked a cruise forSeptember in Europe (not DCL) since her May cruise was cancelled but her insurance company has told her she has no coverage for anything related to the virus.

I checked the same with my travel insurance. I have a September European Cruise booked on Disney Magic. Right now, as the cruise and the travel insurance were booked before March 13 2020 I am cover for Covid 19 medical. If the cruise is cancelled and I re schedule to any other cruise itinerary , I am NOT covered for Covid 19 medical. The travel insurance see the reschedule as a new booking, not an existing booking.

 

[Garyjames220]

Just curious if your travel insurance will cover you since you rebooked for a time knowing the pandemic exists. My girlfriend rebooked a cruise forSeptember in Europe (not DCL) since her May cruise was cancelled but her insurance company has told her she has no coverage for anything related to the virus.

to be honest I’m trusting Disney will only sail if it’s safe

 

[smmco]

Given the current state in Europe, I highly doubt there will be any rioting for keeping the Schengen borders closed all summer, I think everybody will be applauding it and everybody is already preparing that they won't leave their own country at all this summer. We don't want new infections again now that we seem to be starting to handle it.

I thought Europe was all about open borders. I can’t imagine with unemployment reaching 20 to 30% people aren’t going to want tourism back. I guess time will tell how bad this economic collapse is going to be. It will be interesting to see peoples breaking point.

 

[LAX]

I thought Europe was all about open borders. I can’t imagine with unemployment reaching 20 to 30% people aren’t going to want tourism back. I guess time will tell how bad this economic collapse is going to be. It will be interesting to see peoples breaking point.

Have you seen the recent death tally over in Europe? Spain & Italy together account for over 40K of reported deaths (based on what I can find on MSN). I admittedly don't know the most up-to-date situations over there, but I can't imagine anyone would be interested in opening the borders any time soon, especially in those harder hit countries. I realize people can't be isolated from each other forever, but it's too soon to welcome back tourists in droves, especially from countries that have high confirmed cases.

LAX

 

[Candycane83]

I thought Europe was all about open borders. I can’t imagine with unemployment reaching 20 to 30% people aren’t going to want tourism back. I guess time will tell how bad this economic collapse is going to be. It will be interesting to see peoples breaking point.

It’s really 2 fold, people who need the income but have also been affected by this virus. I cancelled a tour with a tour operator who told my her father passed away due to the virus but she is also currently unemployed with 2 young kids. My guess is if the government can support them through the next few months, they would prefer not having the borders opened. As much as they need income from tourists, they also have been deeply affected and would be afraid to have people from other countries risking another wave.

 

[smmco]

It’s really 2 fold, people who need the income but have also been affected by this virus. I cancelled a tour with a tour operator who told my her father passed away due to the virus but she is also currently unemployed with 2 young kids. My guess is if the government can support them through the next few months, they would prefer not having the borders opened. As much as they need income from tourists, they also have been deeply affected and would be afraid to have people from other countries risking another wave.

That's a sad story but the percentage of people in the world that have lost someone to COVID is extremely small. Most people want to go back to work, travel, take vacations and live their lives. I don't think the government supporting people for months on end is sustainable. You can't just print money. If the US economy collapses so goes the rest of the world. 22 million unemployed in one month is pretty scary. I think there's going to be a lot more layoffs and bankruptcies to come.

 

[spacecanada]

For those complaining about Disney being slower than other cruise lines to announce cancellations, be grateful for Disney’s handling of this situation. From the logistics side, they are handling this MUCH better than other cruise lines. When they cancel, you can rebook immediately and use your credits right away, at no extra expense. Other cruise lines are taking months to issue future cruise credits. Many have further restrictions on those credits so they cannot be used toward the deposit on your new cruise. There are other back end things I cannot mention here, too. Of all the cruise lines, Disney actually has the best cancellation and rebooking experience, and they are a very small cruise line in comparison! Please try to be patient. If waiting is making you upset or frustrated, cancel now.

Please remember to be grateful in this time.

 

[Karin1984]

I thought Europe was all about open borders. I can’t imagine with unemployment reaching 20 to 30% people aren’t going to want tourism back. I guess time will tell how bad this economic collapse is going to be. It will be interesting to see peoples breaking point.

I think there is a mix up about the word 'Schengen borders', what is now closed officially are the borders around the Schengen area. No people from non-Schengen allowed in. The borders within the Schengen area what we refer to as 'open borders', can differ per country now. The border between Germany and the Netherlands isnt officially closed, but there are checks at the border now (which we normally don't have) and people who are making non-essential trips are very much discouraged not to do so by the police. Belgium is a lot stricter than The Netherlands and Germany and decided to officially close down the country: no one in, no one out (except essential workers). Before that we had some issues mid-March, Belgium had already closed down its bars and restaurants before The Netherlands had done so and some Belgians crossed the border to come drinking here.

Before the Schengen area opens up to non-Schengen visitors, all the internal borders have to be open again.

For the breaking point, I think the amount of rioting or protests will differ per country. It depends on the relationship the country has with authority. But then even so, France has a history with strikes and protests, the government is definitely not popular and the French have some very strict lockdown rules, and even there it is quiet. As long there is light at the end of the tunnel, I think we can go on for a while.

I can't imagine my country of The Netherlands will have any riots or protests. The only thing we were upset about was that the government didn't want to lockdown the schools, due to the risk for children and to keep it manageable for the parents to keep working and keep the economy going. The government did change their mind a few days later after public pressure. Same is happening now about masks. We are not required to wear them here (as it brings a false sense of security and more importantly: let's keep the ones we do have for our health care workers), but the people do see different advice being given in other countries, which makes the people a little anxious. The PM has now said we might going to use them during our exit policy. Which made the people calm down again

For tourism, we are heavily dependent on Belgium and Germany and not every tourist company will survive, but I do think some of it can be made up for it by domestic tourism. Not in the big cities, like Amsterdam, which attracts million of tourists from all over the world, but for regional tourism, I can see people this summer exploring their own country. Certain areas are already publishing about their plans for tourism in a 6ft society. The bike companies will probably do well, one factory has re-opened as they saw a rise in demand. And maybe Amsterdam will see it as a blessing in disguise as the city is really suffering from the amounts of foreign tourists it attracts each year.(seriously, if some of you are planning a trip to The Netherlands, there are more and better places to go than Amsterdam).
Festivals are now being cancelled one by one, not by the government, but by the organizations for safety reasons, but also as preparation time is too short now.

Normally 60% of our population travels abroad during the holidays. The majority will not this summer, if only quarter of what they normally spend abroad is spent on domestic tourism, it might be a relatively okay summer, under the circumstances.

But as everyone says: we shall see.

 

[harriet2]

That's a sad story but the percentage of people in the world that have lost someone to COVID is extremely small. Most people want to go back to work, travel, take vacations and live their lives. I don't think the government supporting people for months on end is sustainable. You can't just print money. If the US economy collapses so goes the rest of the world. 22 million unemployed in one month is pretty scary. I think there's going to be a lot more layoffs and bankruptcies to come.

Europe is different from America, the government supporting people for months is normal business here, sure, there are more people to support, but there is also still a lot of money coming in. I think you're overestimating the importance of tourists from outside of the EU for the overal economy, do people make money of that? Sure, but for the overall economy it's really minor.

 

[smmco]

Europe is different from America, the government supporting people for months is normal business here, sure, there are more people to support, but there is also still a lot of money coming in. I think you're overestimating the importance of tourists from outside of the EU for the overal economy, do people make money of that? Sure, but for the overall economy it's really minor.

I wasn’t referring to tourist when I was talking about economic collapse and no country can sustain itself with business shutdown and people not working.

 

[harriet2]

I wasn’t referring to tourist when I was talking about economic collapse and no country can sustain itself with business shutdown and people not working.

But people are working and the closing of the borders, would be a measure that's not connected to the internal economy being shutdown or not. More specific, first they'll start up each country (at their desired pace), then the internal boarders will open and after summer, the EU borders will open.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Some of the Schengen countries are also closing internal borders. So it isn't just closure to the outside. Sweden, Denmark and France are all closed internal as well.

 

[AquaDame]

I can't imagine my country of The Netherlands will have any riots or protests.

Unless and until they come for your new years' bonfires or fireworks...

My husband's company is very eager to get people back into the factories that were impacted as well. I see both sides of the coin on restarting the economy but hope it is done prudently and not in a panic. The sentiment that we did too much is exactly what Fauci was hoping for, so good on everyone. Our governor has stated she will not ease up until the number of active cases are declining and she is assured we have plenty of PPE equipment, beds, better testing capability, and a solid plan to combat any spikes that may occur. Sounds very reasonable to me? California and Washington seem to hold the same sentiment... I'm feeling comfortable with the way the western states are handling this though I do wish people weren't having so much trouble filing for unemployment. There are also talks from our governor about doing away with the "waiting week" for entitlements which would be great.

 

[gotomu212]

That's a sad story but the percentage of people in the world that have lost someone to COVID is extremely small. Most people want to go back to work, travel, take vacations and live their lives. I don't think the government supporting people for months on end is sustainable. You can't just print money. If the US economy collapses so goes the rest of the world. 22 million unemployed in one month is pretty scary. I think there's going to be a lot more layoffs and bankruptcies to come.

It’s very different in Italy and Spain. Their deaths per 1 mil population is 4 times the US rate. In some areas of Italy almost everyone lost a grandparent or parent/in-law. We’re talking about keeping US borders closed awhile after we reopen and we’re the ones with the highest cases. I really doubt the EU wants an influx of US tourists this summer. We’ll get to experience the other side of closed borders.

 

[Karin1984]

Unless and until they come for your new years' bonfires or fireworks...

Okay, except that. It would have been very interesting if this had happened between November and January ;-)

On this thread we have talked about procedures to get on board, getting quarantined on board, no character meets, and dinner solutions. Did we talk about shows yet?

My brother is theatre technician and this week he made this picture, trying to figure out how to make theater work in a 6ft society. In his theatre there are 700 seats. With the distancing rules, there is only room for 135 guests.

Most likely, when we can cruise again, but if there is still a 6ft distance desired, then shows (and movies) will probably all be cancelled as well.

To me the shows are a major selling point of a Disney Cruise. If there are no shows, I would wait till shows are available again on cruises.

Me and my friend have discussed our travel plans for August/September: we hope now that the travel restrictions from Europe to the US will extend till August and we can change our flights for free. Mainly because it's part of a big Disneyland/Disney World/Disney Cruise vacation, we fear now that the parks will be open by then, but in a modified form. This trip is too expensive to go for a modified experience. As soon as decisions are made about flight change policies for August, we will go for a February/March 2021 trip (and changing a 4-night Fantasy to a 5 night Magic, but I haven't told my friend that yet )

 

[FigmentSpark]

When/if anything happens to the food chain, there will be the beginnings of riots. People are calm as long as their basic needs are met. When that starts to become scarce, real unrest will follow.

Another point, the longer people are not able to work and be productive, you risk an underground economy flourishing. You don't want that. We need rule of law.

 

[smmco]

I expect the travel bans to be lifted by June/July. European airlines are risk of collapse just like US airlines. European Union is at risk of collapse too. We’re all screwed if things don’t go back to normal soon.

 

[Trera]

just reported. Royal and Celebrity extending cancellations to June 12th.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/ne...se-cancellations/ar-BB12N0cG?ocid=hplocalnews