Contemporary Suites Permits

my word -- this must be getting "interesting" to those who have previously sworn that DVC will never be apart of the CR !!! :laughing:

I never saw anyone make that comment here, did you read that elsewhere?

DVC had a very high chance of going to the Contemporary until the annoucement of AKV then it dropped off the Disney radar. Right now the North Wing is being rehabbed for Disney resort operations. There is nothing to stop DVC from pursuing this project again in 5 years or even less. But right now the North Wing is still going to be rehabbed for the Contemporary resort.

I personally think the Contemporary will be the next resort to add DVC after the AKV at WDW. I don't think it will however be the next DVC resort after AKV.
 
That is the point, I think, about the different names. If the Contemporary were going to be a DVC projrct, wouldn't the land would have to be "leased" by an operating company of DVC, and the permits issued to that entity, rather than WDW Co.?


I don't know...:confused3 I guess we'll find out when the permit comes through the Comptroller. I think at that point it would be under Disney Vacation Development, as the AKL permit was.

ETA: There are some permits for BCV on the site that also show WDW Co. as the owner.
 
can't get threads to load nor sign in on site...

can someone give me a cliff note version?

Is this confirmation of the CRV or a fancy rehab for the resort?

Hate to add on @ AKV if the CRV is around the corner.
 
DVC had a very high chance of going to the Contemporary until the annoucement of AKV then it dropped off the Disney radar. Right now the North Wing is being rehabbed for Disney resort operations.

Thanks for the insider perspective Sammie! ;) :yay:
 

We just talked to a CM at Grand Floridian a few days ago who volunteered info that he read about a DVC property at Contemporary in his 'Company Newsletter.' We thought this was interesting and laughed at the rumour, but he said they were taking it as serious as it has been written about as of late.

I guess we'll have to wait and see, Tiger :)
 
I have to agree with Sammie. Interesting documents though.
 
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rehab or new construction - there were some very full dumpsters by the garden wing when we went by on the monorail New Year's Eve-There were windows missing and no attempt to cover them with plastic or anything. I took it to mean the building is coming down but then didn't see the beginning of the work that was done on the south wing so can't compare. There is definite actiivity of some kind going on there so it doesn't seem that they can keep it secret much longer- whatever it is.
 
rehab or new construction - there were some very full dumpsters by the garden wing when we went by on the monorail New Year's Eve-There were windows missing and no attempt to cover them with plastic or anything. I took it to mean the building is coming down but then didn't see the beginning of the work that was done on the south wing so can't compare. There is definite actiivity of some kind going on there so it doesn't seem that they can keep it secret much longer- whatever it is.

That is true, time will tell. I know they are doing asbestos removal and as to whether they are going to refit the North Wing with more suites, that I don't know. I do know that prior to AKV announcement I was told in no uncertain terms that DVC was going to the Contemporary and then AKV. After AKV was announced I asked what happened and was told basically what Nuts source said, that Disney resort operations was not ready to give up the Contemporary and it was staying as part of the resort for now.

It will be several years before AKV is complete and by then who knows. I personally think they will announce something in CA before Contemporary but I don't think Contemporary is completely out of the long term plans.
 
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I personally think the Contemporary will be the next resort to add DVC after the AKV at WDW. I don't think it will however be the next DVC resort after AKV.

Sammie, my sources out here in CA insist DLR is next after AKV. Do you have any thoughts on that? Especially now that Disney is doing the CA cruise again in '08.
 
Here's hoping!!

We just brought into DVC so maybe by the time I'm ready to add-on there will be a formal anouncement about the CRV.
 
Sammie, my sources out here in CA insist DLR is next after AKV. Do you have any thoughts on that? Especially now that Disney is doing the CA cruise again in '08.

FWIW, today's article on miceage says that DVC at DCA will be announced on January 24th...

As for whether the Contemporary is going to undergo renovation instead of demolition, we will know for sure soon enough. There haven't been any permits for renovation yet, so I would think we would see them soon if that's what's going on.
 
FWIW - I thought it interesting that on the Hardin Construction Co website under projects there is an entire category for Timeshares.

They actually list a few Marriott's.:scratchin
 
I don't know what's going on, but...the timing on all this is very odd.

AKV was announced on 10/11/06 (that's the date the PR is dated for).

Disney issued a check for 1000.00 for the permit fees on 10/12/06. And they've continued to submit documentation for the application right up through November and December.

It seems, if the project really was dead....they'd stop pursuing it, right? Why would they pay a permit fee on a "dead project" the day AFTER announcing the one they chose? Why would they continue to submit more info? I mean, the original COMPLETED app is stamped as arriving on November 6th..almost a month after AKV was announced.

None of it adds up......
 
I don't know what's going on, but...the timing on all this is very odd.

AKV was announced on 10/11/06 (that's the date the PR is dated for).

Disney issued a check for 1000.00 for the permit fees on 10/12/06. And they've continued to submit documentation for the application right up through November and December.

It seems, if the project really was dead....they'd stop pursuing it, right? Why would they pay a permit fee on a "dead project" the day AFTER announcing the one they chose? Why would they continue to submit more info? I mean, the original COMPLETED app is stamped as arriving on November 6th..almost a month after AKV was announced.

None of it adds up......

ITA!!!

I know that people "in the know" have said that the project is dead, but why would someone "in the know" want to confirm? It's in DVC's best interest to keep it quiet for as long as possible- at least until after VAKL starts selling. Also, it certainly doesn't seem like the plans that Tink10 found were the "one of thirty different plans Disney has commissioned" line we have also heard. It's not like a 16 story tower is going to be built overnight. If the plans truly are dead, we will see confirmation when/if permits are posted for a standard rehab. As for me, I'm keeping my fingers crossed! :wizard:
 
It seems, if the project really was dead....they'd stop pursuing it, right? Why would they pay a permit fee on a "dead project" the day AFTER announcing the one they chose? Why would they continue to submit more info? I mean, the original COMPLETED app is stamped as arriving on November 6th..almost a month after AKV was announced.

None of it adds up......

Because sometimes in large companies, the head doesn't know what the hands are doing. At one time there were overwhelming signs that DVC was coming to the CR. But the more time goes on the more we see documentation WITHOUT DVC being mentioned. Just because DVC is mentioned on some of the paperwork doesn't mean it's still in the cards.

A $1000 filing fee is chump change. Disney spent millions developing the Eagle Pines project (just to mention one example that's near-and-dear to DVC members) and it's been on the shelf for nearly a decade.

I don't know whether they are renovating or working toward new construction at the CR, but I'm still leaning toward believing that the project will end up being cash rooms which are easily-convertible to DVC at a later date. IMO, there are too many points on the table between SSR, AKV and Disneyland for DVC to commit resources to a project of that magnitude at the CR.
 
Because sometimes in large companies, the head doesn't know what the hands are doing. At one time there were overwhelming signs that DVC was coming to the CR. But the more time goes on the more we see documentation WITHOUT DVC being mentioned. Just because DVC is mentioned on some of the paperwork doesn't mean it's still in the cards.

I'd agree...if everything wasn't signed by the same VP. I know..they sign a lot of stuff, but.....

What you're saying is that the same division, within the same company, doesn't know what it's doing. That, I find hard to believe. If it was merchandising outlaying the 1000.00 (yes, chump change, I agree...but still needless expenditure) based off of something Feature Animation had in the works but cancelled...I'd be right there with you.

But it's not. And it's not like AKV was decided on the DAY before the PR came out...so there was a longer period of time between the AKV decision and the check being cut for the CR Suites Construction Permit fees.

Again, maybe it's NOT DVC anymore..that's possible. But I find it hard to believe the NG Wing is simply going to be rehabbed, given all the information, and current work, being done on something deemed a "dead project". Maybe they will be cash rooms built with an eye toward future conversion, but SOMETHING is going on...and it doesn't seem to be what has been made immediately apparent.

A $1000 filing fee is chump change. Disney spent millions developing the Eagle Pines project (just to mention one example that's near-and-dear to DVC members) and it's been on the shelf for nearly a decade.

But they weren't filing for permits, or updating the paperwork filed for the permits, months after the decided to go in a different direction. They just let it die. They're now throwing good money (in the form of resource usage in updating and providing more info) after bad (the 1000 fee) if, in fact, there is no new construction actually planned.

I don't know whether they are renovating or working toward new construction at the CR, but I'm still leaning toward believing that the project will end up being cash rooms which are easily-convertible to DVC at a later date. IMO, there are too many points on the table between SSR, AKV and Disneyland for DVC to commit resources to a project of that magnitude at the CR.

Again, it looks like we'll have to wait and see. But the paperwork that's been found, and shown in this thread, makes no sense when compared to the information we're being given (NG is simply being rehabbed, no DVC, no new construction, etc).
 
besides you know that DVC likes to surprise us.

my prediction - the Cont Suites will start in 2009 - be finished in 2011 (might be 2012) and surprise it is part of (if not the whole thing) a DVC resort.

although that other person was certain this would be build just not a DVC resort. well suites don't have kitchen - this plan shows a kitchen - really sounds like a DVC resort to me.
 
ITA!!!

I know that people "in the know" have said that the project is dead, but why would someone "in the know" want to confirm? It's in DVC's best interest to keep it quiet for as long as possible- at least until after VAKL starts selling. Also, it certainly doesn't seem like the plans that Tink10 found were the "one of thirty different plans Disney has commissioned" line we have also heard. It's not like a 16 story tower is going to be built overnight. If the plans truly are dead, we will see confirmation when/if permits are posted for a standard rehab. As for me, I'm keeping my fingers crossed! :wizard:

I am keeping my fingers crossed also!
 
Just a guess but IF we see a tall tower going up in the location of the N wing DVC could wind up getting some of the floors in the future.

Less likely if the N wing is about the same size as the it is now.
 















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