Conspiracy theory's

[maelstrom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjjIy1DO0gs

Have you heard about secrets involving the building of the Denver Airport? Just google Denver airport mystery. VERY interesting in a scary way.

Denver Airport creeps me out, majorly. Jesse Ventura has a whole show about it, but I see that you've watched some of the YouTube videos. You've seen pictures and/or videos of the murals, right? It REALLY makes you think, doesn't it? And the mine cart graphic built into the granite floor with "AuAg" etched onto it (the elements gold and silver, standing for the silver and gold standard versus the bogus Federal Reserve). And the reference to the "New World Airport Commission" on the dedication plaque, which, as far as regular people know, does not exist. New World... New World Order... draw your own conclusions.

 

[maelstrom]

I love Dr. Michio Kaku:

I do too.

 

[disneylovin24]

No possible way that 9/11 was pulled off by our government?

Yes, they're proud of 9/11 in the Middle East, because they hate our freedoms. And some stuff went down. But that doesn't mean that they were responsible for 9/11. They're just rejoicing in the fact that we got our stuff handed to us.

I *have* watched the documentaries, and I *have* done the research.

The laws of physics do not lie. There is no possible way that the towers could have fallen at the speed they did without additional energy (usually in the form of explosives) to eliminate the structural resistance of the lower floors of the towers. It is simply not possible for the twin towers and building seven to fall to the ground how they did without additional energy provided. Any person who has taken high school physics, let alone any advanced physics course, could not reasonably assume that the towers could have fallen at that speed without some additional energy provided. Building Seven (which was not hit by an airliner), fell at nearly free-fall speed, which defies the laws of physics, if it wasn't for additional energy provided.

Due to these simple incontrovertible facts, the official story cannot possibly be true. There are many physicists, pilots, architects, and scholars who have proven scientifically (empirically) that the official story cannot possibly be true. If you choose to believe the official story, that is your choice, but for others, perhaps more open-minded, there is significant evidence to at least lean to the contrary. The official story has, on many occasions, been proven inaccurate and impossible. If you cannot at least open your eyes to the possibility that there is more to the story, then I hope that you may choose to do more thorough research into the subject.

I was about to write so much but then I decided that I did not want to waste the time or energy. I have actually encountered so many people in the last year that believe 9/11 was an inside job and Im sorry but all I can do anymore is laugh at them.

If you want to be open minded here's some reading for you
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html#Is there evidence of complicity in 9/11?

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm



And Im sorry but honestly I just can't take someone who watches Jesse Ventura seriously that much. Not only do I have people I trust have been eyewitnesses to him putting on a show I have watched the show and he is a nutcase who you can tell is putting on a show.

 

[dodukes]

"Wag thee Dog" is not the best conspiracy theory movie. Check out the original version of "The Manchurian Candidate". It has an eerie similarity to the 2008 election....

I didnt say it was the best, it just got me thinking.....the original version? ill make sure to check it out, thanks!!

 

[JoShan1719]

I don't really believe in conspiracy theories. I'm just not the type to think that "everyone" (the government, groups, what have you) is out to lie and cover things up. Having said that, however, I do have a lot of issues with the 9/11 thing. I don't understand how two buildings that are hit near the top by airplanes fall down... and then fall from bottom to top? Feel free to explain it to me, I just don't get it.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I do not believe that there is any real evidence for global warming. It's not exactly a conspiracy theory, unless the conspiracy is to make Gore richer!

Green Energy will be the next Stock Market bubble.

"Wag thee Dog" is not the best conspiracy theory movie. Check out the original version of "The Manchurian Candidate". It has an eerie similarity to the 2008 election....

I love "Conspiracy Theory" with Mel Gibson.

 

[MsPeggySue911]

No possible way that 9/11 was pulled off by our government?

Yes, they're proud of 9/11 in the Middle East, because they hate our freedoms. And some stuff went down. But that doesn't mean that they were responsible for 9/11. They're just rejoicing in the fact that we got our stuff handed to us.

I *have* watched the documentaries, and I *have* done the research.

The laws of physics do not lie. There is no possible way that the towers could have fallen at the speed they did without additional energy (usually in the form of explosives) to eliminate the structural resistance of the lower floors of the towers. It is simply not possible for the twin towers and building seven to fall to the ground how they did without additional energy provided. Any person who has taken high school physics, let alone any advanced physics course, could not reasonably assume that the towers could have fallen at that speed without some additional energy provided. Building Seven (which was not hit by an airliner), fell at nearly free-fall speed, which defies the laws of physics, if it wasn't for additional energy provided.

Due to these simple incontrovertible facts, the official story cannot possibly be true. There are many physicists, pilots, architects, and scholars who have proven scientifically (empirically) that the official story cannot possibly be true. If you choose to believe the official story, that is your choice, but for others, perhaps more open-minded, there is significant evidence to at least lean to the contrary. The official story has, on many occasions, been proven inaccurate and impossible. If you cannot at least open your eyes to the possibility that there is more to the story, then I hope that you may choose to do more thorough research into the subject.

Talking like that is just proof of all the wacky conspiracy theorists out there. To think that our own government would murder thousands of US citizens is borderline mentally ill. Ppl that think like that wear aluminum foil hats to keep the government waves out of their head. Thinking 9/11 was the work of the US government is about as far out there as you can go without being in lock up at the looney bin. Terrorist have never been known, at any time in History, to take credit for things they didn't do. Osama Bin laden had tried to take down the twin towers one other time and didn't succeed. He came back to finish the job. And just having taken high school physics doesn't qualify anybody to discuss what kind of energy it would take to bring down those towers. Since NOBODY has ever in the History of man flown jet planes into skyscrapers, we don't know how the steel supports will react until it happens. It happened. Now we know. And to imply that someone is stupid or not open minded because they don't agree with your paranoid way of thinking doesn't show you have an open mind. Quite the contrary.
Having an open mind would be being open to the debate of how humans may or may not have contributed to the current global warming crisis.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

...To think that our own government would murder thousands of US citizens is borderline mentally ill...

 

[maelstrom]

To think that our own government would murder thousands of US citizens is borderline mentally ill.

No, putting such blind trust in your government to think that they wouldn't do something like this to advance their own agenda would make one "borderline mentally ill", in your words. In my words, it would make you a "sheep" (mental illness has nothing to do with it). Blindly follow the herd, blindly follow the government. When body cavity searches become the new necessary procedure to board an airplane, how will you feel then? It's coming. Already the TSA is free to grope, molest, and sexually abuse travelers for the simple reason that they are boarding an airplane. The TSA is free to expose you to cancer-causing rays in order to board an airplane. The government does not have your best interests at heart. I feel truly sorry for you if you really believe that the government gives two craps about you. Everyone can make their own decisions. If you want to be a sheep, go ahead. If you want to read, do research, ask questions, and really analyze the situation, that's great too.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

... When body cavity searches become the new necessary procedure to board an airplane, how will you feel then? It's coming. Already the TSA is free to grope, molest, and sexually abuse travelers for the simple reason that they are boarding an airplane...

OMG

 

[maelstrom]

I was about to write so much but then I decided that I did not want to waste the time or energy. I have actually encountered so many people in the last year that believe 9/11 was an inside job and Im sorry but all I can do anymore is laugh at them.

I was going to reply to you as well, but then I just realized that you're a lost cause; you're a sheep. You're just following the herd. And if you weren't being so arrogant about it, I'd feel sorry for you. But it's a waste of my time and energy. You choose to be a sheep. That's unfortunate, but it is what it is. I hope that someday you'll see the light. Well wishes.

 

[joviroxx]

Interesting thread......

 

[rie'smom]

Talking like that is just proof of all the wacky conspiracy theorists out there. To think that our own government would murder thousands of US citizens is borderline mentally ill. Ppl that think like that wear aluminum foil hats to keep the government waves out of their head. Thinking 9/11 was the work of the US government is about as far out there as you can go without being in lock up at the looney bin. Terrorist have never been known, at any time in History, to take credit for things they didn't do. Osama Bin laden had tried to take down the twin towers one other time and didn't succeed. He came back to finish the job. And just having taken high school physics doesn't qualify anybody to discuss what kind of energy it would take to bring down those towers. Since NOBODY has ever in the History of man flown jet planes into skyscrapers, we don't know how the steel supports will react until it happens. It happened. Now we know. And to imply that someone is stupid or not open minded because they don't agree with your paranoid way of thinking doesn't show you have an open mind. Quite the contrary.
Having an open mind would be being open to the debate of how humans may or may not have contributed to the current global warming crisis.

Revolutionary War
Civil War
Spanish American War
WWI
WWII
Korean Conflict
Viet Nam
Gulf War
Afghan, Iraqi War/Conflict whatever they call it.

I've researched both sides and I have not made up my mind either way, however, I would not say that the gov't would never do this. Did they, I don't know. There are many things that gov'ts do and have done in the name of security, defense, etc.
If you look into it, there are things that will definitely make you wonder.

 

[Phil'sFrontier]

I have a hard time believing in 9/11 and what happened.
Being a construction worker(carpenter) I understand how buildings are made, and how the structure comes together.
quick example, if your house is 2 floors the first floor is made to hold up the second. Well it is the same in tall buildings like the wtc towers. The first floor is built to hold up the hundred or more floor above it. So the columns on the first floor are going to be bigger than columns on the 50th floor, and they are bigger than ones on the 100th floor. For this reason a few floors failing does not equal a building collapse.
The 3 wtc towers were the first and only steel framed high rise buildings to ever collapse due to fires alone.

Just think about how much stress is put on a building during a mega thrust earthquake like Japan just experienced and what forces are put on those tall buildings.
To me there is no explanation for why the building core containing the elevators collapsed. It is basically a building within a building, with heavy steel columns placed very close together(I would guess a foot or two apart). Even if the buildings floors collapse like pancakes like they say, this would leave the massive building core....unless somehow the columns were physically cut in some way or another....

my .02 cents

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Not conspiracy theorist here. Not saying there are things the gov does that we don't know all the details. But, I do find it interesting that it is usually the same group of people that think the government is too incompetent to be in charge of education or healthcare find the government capable of large scale conspiracies. Hmmm....

As for global warming, the particular phenomena is occurring. The argument about whether it is man made or a natural cycle is really the question. My thoughts are - shouldn't we prepare for the consequences either way?

 

[maelstrom]

I have a hard time believing in 9/11 and what happened.
Being a construction worker(carpenter) I understand how buildings are made, and how the structure comes together.
quick example, if your house is 2 floors the first floor is made to hold up the second. Well it is the same in tall buildings like the wtc towers. The first floor is built to hold up the hundred or more floor above it. So the columns on the first floor are going to be bigger than columns on the 50th floor, and they are bigger than ones on the 100th floor. For this reason a few floors failing does not equal a building collapse.
The 3 wtc towers were the first and only steel framed high rise buildings to ever collapse due to fires alone.

Just think about how much stress is put on a building during a mega thrust earthquake like Japan just experienced and what forces are put on those tall buildings.
To me there is no explanation for why the building core containing the elevators collapsed. It is basically a building within a building, with heavy steel columns placed very close together(I would guess a foot or two apart). Even if the buildings floors collapse like pancakes like they say, this would leave the massive building core....unless somehow the columns were physically cut in some way or another....

my .02 cents

Dear Sir or Madam, thank you for your sane, well-balanced, and in-the-business reply. Everything you said is absolutely true. The WTC would be the first high-rise buildings to EVER collapse from fire alone. Kind of suspect, isn't it.

You get a gold star... or... well the DIS doesn't seem to have one, so you get the happy face with hearts.

 

[maelstrom]

As for global warming, the particular phenomena is occurring. The argument about whether it is man made or a natural cycle is really the question. My thoughts are - shouldn't we prepare for the consequences either way?

Yes, very good point.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

I have a hard time believing in 9/11 and what happened.
Being a construction worker(carpenter) I understand how buildings are made, and how the structure comes together.
quick example, if your house is 2 floors the first floor is made to hold up the second. Well it is the same in tall buildings like the wtc towers. The first floor is built to hold up the hundred or more floor above it. So the columns on the first floor are going to be bigger than columns on the 50th floor, and they are bigger than ones on the 100th floor. For this reason a few floors failing does not equal a building collapse.
The 3 wtc towers were the first and only steel framed high rise buildings to ever collapse due to fires alone.

Just think about how much stress is put on a building during a mega thrust earthquake like Japan just experienced and what forces are put on those tall buildings.
To me there is no explanation for why the building core containing the elevators collapsed. It is basically a building within a building, with heavy steel columns placed very close together(I would guess a foot or two apart). Even if the buildings floors collapse like pancakes like they say, this would leave the massive building core....unless somehow the columns were physically cut in some way or another....

my .02 cents

Here is why....

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

 

[Lou Holtz]

Dear Sir or Madam, thank you for your sane, well-balanced, and in-the-business reply.

You're not exactly the most credible judge of what is and isn't sane.

When it comes to conspiracies, the blunt truth is that the people who believe them either are not very intelligent or are mentally unbalanced (or both). There's no logic or reason to just about any of them. One of the first posts in the thread should have ended it when they said large scale conspiracies are not possible because they would have to involve too many people to never be found out. People who cannot get that simple logic through their heads....well there's nothing you can do.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Dear Sir or Madam, thank you for your sane, well-balanced, and in-the-business reply. Everything you said is absolutely true. The WTC would be the first high-rise buildings to EVER collapse from fire alone. Kind of suspect, isn't it.

You get a gold star... or... well the DIS doesn't seem to have one, so you get the happy face with hearts.

They were also the first buildings to have a 90,000 L Molotov Cocktail launched into them.

"A basic engineering assessment of the design of the World Trade Center dispels many of the myths about its collapse. First, the perimeter tube design of the towers protected them from failing upon impact. The outer columns were engineered to stiffen the towers in heavy wind, and they protected the inner core, which held the gravity load. Removal of some of the outer columns alone could not bring the building down. Furthermore, because of the stiffness of the perimeter design, it was impossible for the aircraft impact to topple the building.

However, the building was not able to withstand the intense heat of the jet fuel fire. While it was impossible for the fuel-rich, diffuse-flame fire to burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel, its quick ignition and intense heat caused the steel to lose at least half its strength and to deform, causing buckling or crippling. This weakening and deformation caused a few floors to fall, while the weight of the stories above them crushed the floors below, initiating a domino collapse. "