Conservative Thread: We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once

[Tink & Goofy]

Teresa>> the JL needs you!

Everyone... NO, I didn't get an interview, job offer, job... but I did get my acceptance letter to U of Michigan's MA/ED program! I have 15 credits already towards my MA, but with another University. I don't think any of it will transfer, but at least I'll be doing something! I'm going for the Sp Ed MA/cognitive impairment endorsement.

I find myself wondering if God is working to bring about a revival in America. By drawing a definite line between what is Christian and what is not. People seem to want complete separation of the Christian faith and our government. They will most likely get that separation in the next 4 years. Will God choose to use this for good?
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Anyone else thinking about this?

God turns everything to good for those who love Him.
"For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope and a future." Jeremiah 29:11

It sounds more like the way Jesus described the end times before His return so I certainly hope it makes people turn back to God.
And yes, we talk about this a lot at my house.

 

[wonderlanne]

hi...don't know if you've covered this yet (i'm at work and can't catch up), but found this. i'd heard about the british thing before, but only minimally.

"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen 'at birth', just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens".

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

May God bless all those men and women who are protecting us and keeping us safe. Let's all pray today that they receive the respect, kindness, leadership and safety they deserve as they give up everything for us.

Amen!

I have been thinking about our country. I am really just trying to get my thoughts together and I thought a discussion would help me define what I am feeling. Not an open debate ( read I have no intent to get the other sides thinking here).

I find myself wondering if God is working to bring about a revival in America. By drawing a definite line between what is Christian and what is not. People seem to want complete separation of the Christian faith and our government. They will most likely get that separation in the next 4 years. Will God choose to use this for good?

What will that bring to our nation? I think more hopelessness. The government - no government - can provide the hope that God can and does offer. Is that the hope and change the people really desire? It is built into humanity to desire God. Will God, by allowing America to detach government from Christianity actually cause the people to desire Him?

Anyone else thinking about this?

DCM, I think you're on the right track. This is something I think about a lot. Hey, I get paid to. My take on it is that America is not a Christian nation; I don't know that it ever was, but I'll leave that for the historians to sort out. We live in what I would call a post-Christian world. Following Jesus, believing in God or a god... for the majority of folks those are just items on the line at a spiritual cafeteria. People grab a slice of this or a bowl of that and make their own tray of spiritual goodness to suit their own palates.

The problem with that is that everything becomes relative. Nothing has greater value than anything else. There is no ultimate good or ultimate truth. This people can choose to "cling" to strange things and call that the ultimate good (ie a party's political platform; being green; the gay agenda; the anti-gay agenda; guns ; good looks; the pursuit of money; etc ad infinitum)

Hold on to you hat, because I say that this is not a bad thing at all. It's not a tendency that needs to be changed. It only needs to be redirected. People are like lost sheep in need of shepherd. That makes me sad, because it breaks my heart to know that people are lost in this world. And I don't mean they're "sheep" in the "mindless follower" sense; I mean that people need to know they belong and that they have a good and loving source of ultimate truth to follow. As a Christian I believe that ultimate truth is God, and the way to him is through Jesus.

Yet all I do as a follower of Jesus myself is to invite, point, and welcome. It's not my place to bash someone over the head with a 20-pound Bible, or insist that everything has to go my way. I do think that it's not sad but exciting living during this post-Christian era. Just think, God has entrusted us -little old us -with the task of moving his church forward in the era of history. Wow! God must really think a lot of us!

This is a hopeful time, not a time of despair. What gov't does or doesn't do is small potatoes to the hope and change only God can unleash.

 

[debbieandroo]

I have been thinking about our country. I am really just trying to get my thoughts together and I thought a discussion would help me define what I am feeling. Not an open debate ( read I have no intent to get the other sides thinking here).

I find myself wondering if God is working to bring about a revival in America. By drawing a definite line between what is Christian and what is not. People seem to want complete separation of the Christian faith and our government. They will most likely get that separation in the next 4 years. Will God choose to use this for good?

What will that bring to our nation? I think more hopelessness. The government - no government - can provide the hope that God can and does offer. Is that the hope and change the people really desire? It is built into humanity to desire God. Will God, by allowing America to detach government from Christianity actually cause the people to desire Him?

Anyone else thinking about this?

I agree -- we, as Christians, will get to the point that we can't take the acceptance of our beliefs for granted. Hopefully we'll use this to reach out to those around us and to spend less time fussing at each other. I think, in light of the darkening economy, the church will have greater opportunities to help those in need. There will be a starker difference between those love Jesus and those who hate Him or don't know who He is.

Teresa>> the JL needs you!

Everyone... NO, I didn't get an interview, job offer, job... but I did get my acceptance letter to U of Michigan's MA/ED program! I have 15 credits already towards my MA, but with another University. I don't think any of it will transfer, but at least I'll be doing something! I'm going for the Sp Ed MA/cognitive impairment endorsement.

I'm so proud of you - for using this less-than-desirable situation for good.

Amen!



DCM, I think you're on the right track. This is something I think about a lot. Hey, I get paid to. My take on it is that America is not a Christian nation; I don't know that it ever was, but I'll leave that for the historians to sort out. We live in what I would call a post-Christian world. Following Jesus, believing in God or a god... for the majority of folks those are just items on the line at a spiritual cafeteria. People grab a slice of this or a bowl of that and make their own tray of spiritual goodness to suit their own palates.

The problem with that is that everything becomes relative. Nothing has greater value than anything else. There is no ultimate good or ultimate truth. This people can choose to "cling" to strange things and call that the ultimate good (ie a party's political platform; being green; the gay agenda; the anti-gay agenda; guns ; good looks; the pursuit of money; etc ad infinitum)

Hold on to you hat, because I say that this is not a bad thing at all. It's not a tendency that needs to be changed. It only needs to be redirected. People are like lost sheep in need of shepherd. That makes me sad, because it breaks my heart to know that people are lost in this world. And I don't mean they're "sheep" in the "mindless follower" sense; I mean that people need to know they belong and that they have a good and loving source of ultimate truth to follow. As a Christian I believe that ultimate truth is God, and the way to him is through Jesus.

Yet all I do as a follower of Jesus myself is to invite, point, and welcome. It's not my place to bash someone over the head with a 20-pound Bible, or insist that everything has to go my way. I do think that it's not sad but exciting living during this post-Christian era. Just think, God has entrusted us -little old us -with the task of moving his church forward in the era of history. Wow! God must really think a lot of us!

This is a hopeful time, not a time of despair. What gov't does or doesn't do is small potatoes to the hope and change only God can unleash.

yeah, what the most fascinating person of 2009 just said....

*emailing Barbara right now because I know she'll listen to me*

 

[Tink & Goofy]

Just think, God has entrusted us -little old us -with the task of moving his church forward in the era of history. Wow! God must really think a lot of us!

This is a hopeful time, not a time of despair. What gov't does or doesn't do is small potatoes to the hope and change only God can unleash.

I once read that, if we are indeed in the end times, God has chosen us as individuals specifically for this time.
Which means we must have been hand-picked and meant as spiritual warriors; we fight not against flesh and blood but against principalities and so forth.

 

[debbieandroo]

hi...don't know if you've covered this yet (i'm at work and can't catch up), but found this. i'd heard about the british thing before, but only minimally.

"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen 'at birth', just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens".

I have a lot of respect for Michelle Malkin and the folks of Hot Air -- and they've been dismissing a lot of this BC stuff....likening it to the 9/11 conspiracy theorists....

I don't know -- I respect Alan Keyes a lot and he's one of those making a fuss about this -- I don't think HE has a tin foil hat, does he?

 

[debbieandroo]

I once read that, if we are indeed in the end times, God has chosen us as individuals specifically for this time.
Which means we must have been hand-picked and meant as spiritual warriors; we fight not against flesh and blood but against principalities and so forth.

Like Esther!!!

And I don't think it is an accident that we [the DIS'ers on the con thread] have found each other...

 

[mickeymedic]

DCM, I think you're on the right track. This is something I think about a lot. Hey, I get paid to. My take on it is that America is not a Christian nation; I don't know that it ever was, but I'll leave that for the historians to sort out. We live in what I would call a post-Christian world. Following Jesus, believing in God or a god... for the majority of folks those are just items on the line at a spiritual cafeteria. People grab a slice of this or a bowl of that and make their own tray of spiritual goodness to suit their own palates.

The problem with that is that everything becomes relative. Nothing has greater value than anything else. There is no ultimate good or ultimate truth. This people can choose to "cling" to strange things and call that the ultimate good (ie a party's political platform; being green; the gay agenda; the anti-gay agenda; guns ; good looks; the pursuit of money; etc ad infinitum)

Hold on to you hat, because I say that this is not a bad thing at all. It's not a tendency that needs to be changed. It only needs to be redirected. People are like lost sheep in need of shepherd. That makes me sad, because it breaks my heart to know that people are lost in this world. And I don't mean they're "sheep" in the "mindless follower" sense; I mean that people need to know they belong and that they have a good and loving source of ultimate truth to follow. As a Christian I believe that ultimate truth is God, and the way to him is through Jesus.

Yet all I do as a follower of Jesus myself is to invite, point, and welcome. It's not my place to bash someone over the head with a 20-pound Bible, or insist that everything has to go my way. I do think that it's not sad but exciting living during this post-Christian era. Just think, God has entrusted us -little old us -with the task of moving his church forward in the era of history. Wow! God must really think a lot of us!

This is a hopeful time, not a time of despair. What gov't does or doesn't do is small potatoes to the hope and change only God can unleash.

AMEN!!!

 

[debbieandroo]

Check out this conspiracy theory --

Andrew Sullivan, from The Atlantic, STILL believes that SP did NOT give birth to TRIG!!!!!! Seriously!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html

 

[Tink & Goofy]

Like Esther!!!

And I don't think it is an accident that we [the DIS'ers on the con thread] have found each other...

Speaking of Esther, another Veggietales song, this one from Esther:
The battle is not ours
We look to God above
For He will guide us safely through and guard us with His love

I will not be afraid
I will not run and hide
For there is nothing I can't face when God is at my side, no there is nothing I can't face when God is at my side.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

yeah, what the most fascinating person of 2009 just said....

*emailing Barbara right now because I know she'll listen to me*

Kid if you must, but a person must have goals.

Check out this conspiracy theory --

Andrew Sullivan, from The Atlantic, STILL believes that SP did NOT give birth to TRIG!!!!!! Seriously!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html

I remember back when I used to think Andrew Sullivan had some dang sense.

 

[debbieandroo]

Kid if you must, but a person must have goals.

Zip! All kidding aside, I'm with Breezy on this one -

and, speaking of Breezy, I've had a hankering for a chocolate-minty dessert ever since she posted all those peppermint bark pictures. So I found a chocolate-minty dessert --

http://www.hersheys.com/recipes/recipes/detail.asp?id=3511

The base calls for chocolate syrup - I thought I had enough but I didn't. Determined not to go to the store, I looked up a substitution for the syrup - a concoction made up of cocoa, water, and sugar that you stir stir stir until it bubbles then you let it cool then you add vanilla [goodness, it would have been faster to go to the store!].

Anyway, so after all that, I found out that I didn't have mint extract I needed for the second layer - so I have to go to the store anyway! Argh!!!! Boy these better be good.

 

[debbieandroo]

100% of the vote in MN have been counted -- Coleman is officially 238 votes ahead...wonder what Franken will do now.

 

[Database]

Hi Finny, welcome.

What he said.

Hi Finny. I was reading thru and saw some of your posts. Welcome to the thread! From the post or two of yours that I read it sounds like you're going to fit right in. Contrary to popular opinion, we do not seek unanimity or conformity, just coolness.

I just don't get it with the left sometimes re healthcare. They make it out like conservatives are against healthcare. We're just against make a huge costly beaurocratic mess out of it. I want people to be well. I want them to be happy and whole. Honestly, I wish someobody would think outside the box and show me a way to provide healthcare for the vast majority of citizens. And I don't mean Obama's plan.

Viva La Coolness!

They’re not looking at the picture properly. Our healthcare system, as is, is far from perfect and it does need focus and improvement. Insurance companies do need to be dealt with and be more fair and more providing when someone who has been paying their premiums actually needs their service.

The lib’s think that if the government was handling healthcare everyone would get the type of coverage they need, the treatments they need and we wouldn’t have the current problems of insurance rejection or hassle that we sometimes do have with our current system.

The thing is; they’re wrong. The government taking over healthcare will not guarantee that you will get the medical attention you need or that your medical needs will be financially covered. They will provide some service but they won’t have the money to provide that you get all of the medical attention that you may need.

<snip>

We do need to work on our healthcare system. It does need to be more affordable and accessible to everyone but I don’t believe that government run universal healthcare should be our answer.

You are CORRECT.

JMHO as someone that provides universal healthcare.

Too late!

You've been a bad, bad girl!

GASP! MR Man is an Aggie?

awesome. i love those!

Welcome!

 

[What the Heck]

Zip, I like what you wrote, but one comment - when we began as a nation, the question of whether we were a Christian nation had no consideration at all - it would have been assumed by every Founding Father that we were. there was no question about it.

Seperation of Church and State meant, to them, only that no religion should have preference over another. Atheism was not seen as an option, worshiping pagan gods would not have been an option. Judaism would have been accepted, barely, but no church that did not have a basis in the One God would have been.

And it took a while to reach that point. Some states did have an association with religion. Maryland (if I remember correctly) was Catholic, Pennsylvania was Quaker, New England was Evangelical/Puritan, Virginia was Church of England/Episcapalian, etc.

But there are some that would have us ignore the history, or attempt for us to even forget it, so they can push their own agenda on us, so the minority can tell the majority what is acceptable to believe and what is not.

 

[What the Heck]

Check out this conspiracy theory --

Andrew Sullivan, from The Atlantic, STILL believes that SP did NOT give birth to TRIG!!!!!! Seriously!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html

Gee, she looks so sexy with her belly as big as her ****s, while she is standing up. No pregnancy there at all.

I think Andrew Sullivan has the right initials, (especially if his middle name started with an s).

 

[breezy1077]

I have been thinking about our country. I am really just trying to get my thoughts together and I thought a discussion would help me define what I am feeling. Not an open debate ( read I have no intent to get the other sides thinking here).

I find myself wondering if God is working to bring about a revival in America. By drawing a definite line between what is Christian and what is not. People seem to want complete separation of the Christian faith and our government. They will most likely get that separation in the next 4 years. Will God choose to use this for good?

What will that bring to our nation? I think more hopelessness. The government - no government - can provide the hope that God can and does offer. Is that the hope and change the people really desire? It is built into humanity to desire God. Will God, by allowing America to detach government from Christianity actually cause the people to desire Him?

Anyone else thinking about this?

Well, my neighbor said something that struck a chord with me and actually helped draw me back to Christ. He said...

"One doesn't usually seek God when they're at the top of the mountain."

Amen!



DCM, I think you're on the right track. This is something I think about a lot. Hey, I get paid to. My take on it is that America is not a Christian nation; I don't know that it ever was, but I'll leave that for the historians to sort out. We live in what I would call a post-Christian world. Following Jesus, believing in God or a god... for the majority of folks those are just items on the line at a spiritual cafeteria. People grab a slice of this or a bowl of that and make their own tray of spiritual goodness to suit their own palates.

The problem with that is that everything becomes relative. Nothing has greater value than anything else. There is no ultimate good or ultimate truth. This people can choose to "cling" to strange things and call that the ultimate good (ie a party's political platform; being green; the gay agenda; the anti-gay agenda; guns ; good looks; the pursuit of money; etc ad infinitum)

Hold on to you hat, because I say that this is not a bad thing at all. It's not a tendency that needs to be changed. It only needs to be redirected. People are like lost sheep in need of shepherd. That makes me sad, because it breaks my heart to know that people are lost in this world. And I don't mean they're "sheep" in the "mindless follower" sense; I mean that people need to know they belong and that they have a good and loving source of ultimate truth to follow. As a Christian I believe that ultimate truth is God, and the way to him is through Jesus.

Yet all I do as a follower of Jesus myself is to invite, point, and welcome. It's not my place to bash someone over the head with a 20-pound Bible, or insist that everything has to go my way. I do think that it's not sad but exciting living during this post-Christian era. Just think, God has entrusted us -little old us -with the task of moving his church forward in the era of history. Wow! God must really think a lot of us!

This is a hopeful time, not a time of despair. What gov't does or doesn't do is small potatoes to the hope and change only God can unleash.

Amen! Well said Zip. The bolded part reminds me of one of my favorite passages....

Well, actually the whole of John chapter 10 is awesome - but here's some of my favorite parts...

"I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were theives and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me- just as the Father knows me and I know the Father-and I lay down my life for the sheep..."

I don't know, this is the image that popped into my head when I read Zip's post. Jesus will always be the gate, but I'd love to do my part in helping to shepherd lost sheep with His message. I don't know, I'm kinda new to this, am I off base?

 

[debbieandroo]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, WALT!

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Zip, I like what you wrote, but one comment - when we began as a nation, the question of whether we were a Christian nation had no consideration at all - it would have been assumed by every Founding Father that we were. there was no question about it.

Seperation of Church and State meant, to them, only that no religion should have preference over another. Atheism was not seen as an option, worshiping pagan gods would not have been an option. Judaism would have been accepted, barely, but no church that did not have a basis in the One God would have been.

And it took a while to reach that point. Some states did have an association with religion. Maryland (if I remember correctly) was Catholic, Pennsylvania was Quaker, New England was Evangelical/Puritan, Virginia was Church of England/Episcapalian, etc.

But there are some that would have us ignore the history, or attempt for us to even forget it, so they can push their own agenda on us, so the minority can tell the majority what is acceptable to believe and what is not.

Good post! I actually would not argue against it. I guess from my perspective I just don't care how America would have been labeled in the past. (sheesh that sounds snotty, but you know what I mean... dadgum internet)
Certainly our history is what it is and should not be rewritten or monkeyed with in any way. But my driving concern as a follower of Christ is moving forward into a curiously changing nation and world. I want to be an effective witness and a faithful disciple.

 

[ford family]

Zip, I like what you wrote, but one comment - when we began as a nation, the question of whether we were a Christian nation had no consideration at all - it would have been assumed by every Founding Father that we were. there was no question about it.
Seperation of Church and State meant, to them, only that no religion should have preference over another. Atheism was not seen as an option, worshiping pagan gods would not have been an option. Judaism would have been accepted, barely, but no church that did not have a basis in the One God would have been.

And it took a while to reach that point. Some states did have an association with religion. Maryland (if I remember correctly) was Catholic, Pennsylvania was Quaker, New England was Evangelical/Puritan, Virginia was Church of England/Episcapalian, etc.

But there are some that would have us ignore the history, or attempt for us to even forget it, so they can push their own agenda on us, so the minority can tell the majority what is acceptable to believe and what is not.

Is that factual?
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ... Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. Give a loose to them, they will support the true religion, by bringing every false one to their tribunal, to the test of their investigation." - Thomas Jefferson

I understand that Jefferson and Franklin, amongst others, were deists and George Washington and John Adams were "anti organised religion" .

ford family