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That Prop 8 thread is just about enough to make me ticked off. I think I better steer clear of that thing. :faint: I can't stomach the sickening game of the lefties pretending that google-map site is anything more than an intimidation tactic. I'm so darn aggravated at some of them!

*OK... feel better now... had to get that off my chest somewhere* :smokin:

Well... maybe one day the tables will be turned on them. Then they'll sing a different tune. Maybe one day some crazy conservative will get ticked off at them for voting for something (gay rights... abortion...ect...) and will put their names and numbers on google maps so that I can look them up and hold a protest in their front lawns.

:teeth:

I glanced at the thread when it first began last night; but to anyone who condones stalking and potential harassing (which is all that google map is promoting) than I have a very low opinion of that person. I saw them pathetically attempt to rationalize it (but.. but.. it's open records. Are they ashamed of their vote?).

It has nothing to with being ashamed for a vote and everything to do that they're being targeted for their vote.


Oh yeah, no chance of that happening.:rolleyes2

“Trust me. I’ve got a big list of names of mormons and catholics that were big supporters of Prop 8. … As far as mormons and catholics ... I warn them to watch their backs.”

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6081

My point.
 
On that Prop 8 thread last night I invited someone to come forward and post all their donations along with name and address. Funny thing... there are no takers. That right there tells me the thread is worthless hot air -the lefties defending the indefensible.
 
I guess that pretty soon there will be an all out war on conservative talk radio hosts. We've already seen Obama childishly call out Limbaugh and a bunch of lib's (who have no problem whatsoever with people like Olberman) go off about Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh.

I never intended to read this entire article; the “let’s bring up talk radio hosts when playing the blame game” caught my eye while checking out what was going on out there. The article is a bit long, but I couldn’t help :rolleyes: as I kept reading. So, I’m posting it (if anyone is bored enough for a read) and decided to throw in my own commentary along with it.

Obama losing the stimulus message war

At this crucial juncture in the push to pass an economic recovery package, President Obama finds himself in the most unlikely of places: He is losing the message war.

Despite Obama’s sky-high personal approval ratings, polls show support has declined for his stimulus bill since Republicans and their conservative talk-radio allies began railing against what they labeled as pork barrel spending within it.


Newsflash: It is pork barrel spending that will not help the economy (despite what some hard core lib's on this message board and elsewhere seem to think...)

The sheer size of it — hovering at about $900 billion — has prompted more protests that are now causing some moderate and conservative Democrats to flinch and, worse, hesitate.

The anxiety over lost momentum seemed almost palpable this week as the president in television interviews voiced frustration

Wait a minute! The President couldn't have voiced frustration. All liberal's 100% agree that this man is as cool as a cucumber. Voicing frustration shows that he's not so calm and collected - now doesn't it?

with his White House’s progress and the way his recovery program was being demonized as a Democratic spending frenzy.

:lmao: So, the President didn't like that it was called for what it really is? That's what his "frustration" is all about? Some people saw through his game of words and were smart enough to realize that it is a Democratic spending frenzy and nothing to help out the economy? Awwww..... poor Obama.

In Obama’s own words in an NBC interview, it’s his job to “get this thing back on track.”

Already, he’s trying — rolling out Michelle Obama

...Whoa. Why Michelle Obama? 1) Why is he sending her out - like he's still on the campaign trail campaigning for the election? 2) Does he still have her listed as part of his administration? Since when is the First Lady part of a Presidential administration? First Ladies don't know enough; don't have enough experience. Remember Hillary Clinton? She, as a former First Lady, didn't have enough "experience" to run as President. Remember? That’s what Obama said. That’s what his supporters said. That’s what the media pundits said. All she knew how to do was throw a tea party. Is Michelle throwing a lot of tea parties this week?

to talk stimulus Wednesday, Vice President Joe Biden

Anyone care to take bets on how many gaffs he makes over this? :lmao:

on Thursday (at a train station, no less) and sitting down with key senators one-on-one.

But this is unfamiliar turf for a team that achieved near epic status for its communication skills during the presidential campaign. It has rarely ever had to play catch-up.

With the president’s gifted oratory and a technologically savvy team, the Obama camp was able to seize control of the national conversation as early as April and never fully relinquish it right through his inaugural address two weeks ago.

To be sure, some of Obama’s headaches stem from the normal dysfunction that occurs when a White House is in transition. Phones don’t work, chains of command are fuzzy, and there are formalities that need tending to.

But the Obama team also made its own mistakes. The president’s troubled cabinet nominees added to the cacophony that at times drowned out the White House economic messages in the past two weeks.
And it seems more apparent each day that the nascent Obama administration isn’t fully prepared for the task at hand.

The president’s decision to push through a massive stimulus bill, while perhaps unavoidable, is forcing the much-vaunted Chicago crowd to adapt at lightning speed to its more skillful adversaries on Capitol Hill, while at the same time taking a crash course on harnessing the full power of the bully pulpit. If he doesn’t figure it out soon, Obama is likely to find out that his stimulus package looks very different than he had in mind indeed.

The Jetsons versus the Flinstones

Obama’s campaign was lauded for its visionary use of modern tools for old-fashioned politics. Through the Internet, it recruited supporters, collected dollars, rallied supporters and organized get-out-the vote operations.

But when these modern heroes arrived at the White House, it was like the lights all went out.
Their contact with their millions-fold supporters was cut off, literally, as e-mail systems broke down and ‘The List’ of political supporters was blocked at the iron gate.

To meet government ethics rules,

So, Obama, as a campaigner didn't meet government ethic rules?

Does Obama meet any ethic rules? :confused3

the campaign operation and its grass-roots army were forced to de-camp to the Democratic National Committee, robbing the president of one of his most potent political weapons just as the stimulus bill was under consideration in the House.

But while the White House team struggled to adapt, it was business as usual on Capitol Hill for Republicans.

They could practically sleep-walk through their attack plan

Yeah.. because that’s the only reason they’re voting against the package. It couldn’t have anything to do with that it’s not a true stimulus package and will do nothing but put our country further into debt as we continue to spiral down into a recession. It has to because they just want to attack the Dem’s. uh-huh. Right.


once House Democrats began to fill in Obama’s broad outlines for a stimulus with a few pet projects of their own.

It required two simple steps: Scream pork, call Rush Limbaugh.

1) there was pork
2) Haven’t the actually added a few things that would truly help the economy should this thing pass – unlike the Dem’s?
3) The left gives Rush waaaaay to much credit. Why does this one man frighten them so?


They even could have used a rotary phone.

The result: Every House Republican saw a free pass and voted against the first version of the bill.
The outcome is not surprising. Obama had roughly 90 people working at his headquarters on Internet outreach and new technology projects, observes Joe Trippi, a Democratic operative who broke new ground on modern campaigning during Howard Dean’s 2004 Democratic primary bid.

Even with closet-size spaces, the White House can accommodate only about 200 or so people for jobs ranging from national security to health care reform to Internet guru.

The Obama team “built this incredible campaign and now they have these ridiculously primitive tools. The communication tools they mastered don’t exist in the White House. It’s like they are in a cave,” said Trippi.

And now we have the full cop-out excuse for why Obama’s stimulus plan is failing; why he is failing at his first big plan. Ladies and gentleman, it has nothing to do with pork. It has nothing to do with government controlled programs that will cause our tax dollar to rise in order to pay for it, cause the value of our dollar to go down in inflation and will still do absolutely nothing for our tanking economy.

It’s because Obama’s former method of “getting things done” didn’t meet the US Government’s ethic regulations so he had to forgo those and his team doesn’t know how to pick-up a rotary phone – like the Republican’s apparently do.

“Then there are the masters of the Stone Age, and they are doing a good job,” he added.

Learning to play well with others

During the campaign, Obama had complete control over his message. Now, he doesn’t, and that’s not an easy adjustment for any president.

Yup, now he has to deal with reality and not his Obama-world skewed vision.

Obama must suddenly yield turf to both Capitol Hill and outside interest groups who are trying to help. The results in both cases can be messy.

Wait a minute! “Outside interest groups” Aren’t those lobbyists? Didn’t Obama say that he would have nothing to do with them? If so – why are they a hang-up?

Obama’s decision to provide broad guidelines for the stimulus — “targeted, timely and temporary” — rather than issuing specific legislation, was done in deference to Hill lawmakers, especially the Democratic leaders that lord over the legislative branch.

Hey! Hey! An admission that it is the “Democratic leaders” that lord over the legislative branch. When things (continue) to go wrong – remember that, Lib’s.

But it’s hardly a secret that the president found unhelpful the House Democrats’ decision to slip funding for special groups into its version of his stimulus bill.

Oh. The “special interest groups” have nothing to do with Obama (except for the dozen or so he appointed to his administration) It’s the ‘House Dem’s’ that deal with “special interest groups”.

Got it. :thumbsup2

Funding to allow Medicaid programs to provide contraceptives as part of its family planning services to low-income recipients was the Republicans’ first easy mark for attacking the legislation.

“How you can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on contraceptives — how does that stimulate the economy?” House Minority Leader John A. Boehner asked.

With a phone call from the White House, Obama had that provision stripped from the legislation, but the damage was done, and Republicans soon moved to the next so-called pork project to launch a new attack.

Senate Democrats have vowed to strip those measures from the bill. But now moderate senators, including some Democrats, uneasy with the size of the package are considering trimming one of Obama’s top priorities: providing seed money for doctors and hospitals to begin computerizing patient records, a first step in broader reforms he plans to offer on health care.

Similar disconnects are evident in the public campaign for the legislation.

A host of unions and liberal advocacy groups have stepped up to try to help Obama move the legislation through Congress. Their intentions are all good, but it’s an untested alliance given the Obama’s decision to shun such independent support in the campaign. The effort also lacks the dramatic punch — and deep pockets — that became the signature of his campaign.

According to Evan Tracey, president of Campaign Media Analysis Group, about $65,000 has been spent on pro-stimulus ads in a handful of states.

$65000 to promote a bill that will do nothing? Why don’t you use that money to help out the economy, Obama? I mean, you're all for Gov hand-outs vs. free enterprise. You blew 65k of Gov hand-out money that you could have used on the people without jobs.

In the last week of the presidential campaign, Obama was spending an average of $250,000 a day on commercials in the Philadelphia market, alone.

The pro-stimulus television ads aired by the outside coalitions echo Obama’s message about helping working families survive the worst economic conditions since World War II.

I think that the economist are still in a debate on how bad this is – if it is to that level yet. I thought that the liberals weren’t for fear-mongering? Yet we have one lib on this message board that’s eating up the fear daily and is blinded to how back this package is because of it.

But the legally required lack of coordination between the White House and its newest allies has led to other inefficiencies.

Among the targets of the television ad campaign was New Hampshire Republican Sen. Judd Gregg. Just days later, Obama nominated Gregg to become his new commerce secretary.

More discordant, however, was the impact of a radio ad by Americans United for Change.

“Are you with Rush or with Obama?” the commentator asked.

The commercial ran in only three states, but it wound up capturing national headlines, elevating a mere radio talk show host to presidential status and sending the White House efforts to recruit moderate Republican support wildly off message.

Owning the bully pulpit

During the presidential campaign, Obama’s team used big events to elevate the candidate’s big ideas or respond to emerging, divisive issues. Remember Philadelphia and the big speech on race relations?

That’s not so easy to do in the White House, which thrives on its own rhythms and traditions.

Thank goodness since Obama’s “big ideas” or whatever were never anything more than hype and propaganda throughout the election.

Obama has certainly tried to exploit those opportunities, offering radio addresses and using what seem to be such routine administration events as announcing a new cabinet pick to pitch the recovery package.

In addition, he has fallen back on the time-honored White House photo-op/meet-and-greet to drive the news of the day.

But the Obama team hasn’t mastered the less-is-more formula that isolates a presidential appearance for maximum impact.

That’s a fact. We don’t need to see a picture of him on television just to sign a bill. Daily! Mr. President, you are the leader of the free-world (at least until you change that); not a Hollywood celebrity that needs to be on television daily.

Simply put, the way to exploit a White House moment is not to compete with it.

That kind of PR self-control can drive the coverage from the relentless and omnipresent cable outlets back — again and again — to that singular event.

But the new White House sometimes runs over its own, central economic message.

For instance, Obama hosted at the White House nearly a dozen corporate executives who support his recovery package on the same day the House passed its version of the legislation on a party line vote.

As a consequence, the support for the legislation from a host of cutting-edge technology CEOs was buried amid coverage of the lack of a single House Republican vote in favor of it.

On Monday, the White House tried again.

Obama had sought to illustrate the support he has among governors for the stimulus package by inviting Republican Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas for remarks.

But that news was quickly overtaken by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s swearing-in ceremony.

Obama finally getting one-upped in the media. :lmao: I’m sure that he was less than thrilled about that – used to being the sole center of attention that he’s been. Especially since the second time was by Hillary Clinton! :rotfl2:

Indeed, the Obama team has yet to fully exploit the open and enthusiastic support it has received from such higher profile Republican governors as Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California for his stimulus program.

Eric Eikenberg, Crist’s chief of staff, said in an interview this week that his boss is hoping federal aid can help the Sunshine State avoid significant layoffs and that the governor is burning the phone lines to turn Republican opposition on Capitol Hill into support.

“This can help Florida,” Eikenberg said.

But when White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs had a chance to highlight that support on Wednesday, he referred reporters to television interviews of Crist on cable networks rather than an Oval Office moment.

To make matter worse, the White House’s failure to space out events took another toll on its economic public relations campaign.

Just hours after Obama issued new rules on corporate compensation aimed at renewing public support for his recovery package, he signed a major bill expanding health care for children.

“To me, each one of those is a stand-alone event,” said Tad Devine, a Democratic political consultant. “There is a risk of overwhelming things.”
 
"The sheer size of it — hovering at about $900 billion — has prompted more protests that are now causing some moderate and conservative Democrats to flinch and, worse, hesitate."

Heaven forbid, because nothing could be worse than Democrats hesitating.:rotfl:

On a side note, Robert Gibbs sure is making lots of friends with reporters.:happytv:
 

Dolce - you speak for me. :) Would you mind sharing the link of that article you posted? Where did you find it?
 
:wave2: I'm off to see the mouse!

(ok ok, parents first THEN the mouse!)

And breezy, I'll be sure to ride Soarin, don't you worry!
 
Oh yeah, no chance of that happening.:rolleyes2

“Trust me. I’ve got a big list of names of mormons and catholics that were big supporters of Prop 8. … As far as mormons and catholics ... I warn them to watch their backs.”

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6081

oh my gosh...it is this behavior which causes people on the fence to vote against such initiatives. bullying people into compliance is unacceptable.
 
Did you see the lady next to her holding in her laughter?

Someone, probably that "I don't know" guy or "Not me" spilled pancake syrup all over the fridge and it needs to be cleaned out. Blech.
No, I didn't notice the person sitting next to her. I'll have to check that out.

:lmao: :thumbsup2

They travel as far as Washington too.
And yeah, I think they live in my house, too. Except in my house stuff really does disappear, get moved, and all that jazz and nobody really does seem to have moved it. :confused3
So I don't know.

Dolce, that breakdown was awesome. You know it'll just glaze a few lurker's eyes, though. They don't care to think about it.

As for the google map prop 8 thing, that's intimidation and it's BS. :mad: No one should be intimidated because they voted a certain way.
A word of warning: Step on my lawn to protest my vote on anything and you'll be carted off in handcuffs. I don't take kindly to trespassers. It's private property and you can and will be arrested.
Or maybe I wouldn't call the cops and you can just deal with me. :smokin:
 
I guess that pretty soon there will be an all out war on conservative talk radio hosts. We've already seen Obama childishly call out Limbaugh and a bunch of lib's (who have no problem whatsoever with people like Olberman) go off about Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh.

I never intended to read this entire article; the “let’s bring up talk radio hosts when playing the blame game” caught my eye while checking out what was going on out there. The article is a bit long, but I couldn’t help :rolleyes: as I kept reading. So, I’m posting it (if anyone is bored enough for a read) and decided to throw in my own commentary along with it.

Thanks for posting that, and it was much more enjoyable reading with your own commentary!:thumbsup2
 
Okay, the Stimulus thing has gotten personal. My mom calls (she is 90) scared to death after hearing there is a CATASTROPHE coming. This woman's cc is through her Merrill Lynch account and she has watched her portfolio drop from 7 figures prior to my Dad's death in August to a number I don't even ask about for fear of her becoming even more upset. She is now afraid to use her cc (which is paid through cash in the account) and wants to carry cash around in her purse, lots of it! Can you imagine what a target she would be?

Did he never hear FDR's "the only fear we have to fear is fear itself". This fear mongering is childish. Pass a couple of real stimulus items to get people spending that can (what happened to that new car credit?) and then look closely and deliberately at the other items, if you must. But, STOP scaring elderly people that remember the real Depression!

A note on my parents: my Dad was raised by a Mother who was the hardest working person I have ever known. When he was around 10, she decided she would make some extra money providing chickens for the rich folks' Sunday lunch at the Mayo Hotel. This meant they got up at 3 or so in the morning, rang dozens of chickens' necks (I could not do that if my life depended on it), plucked them (one of the nastiest, hardest jobs ever), and then drove in the old Ford fifteen miles to the Mayo. This is the kind of work that people of my parents' generation remember; what they had to do to survive. So when they hear someone yell, "FIRE!!!" in the movie theater, they panic. Sorry for the vent, but it is crazy; I understand people have lost jobs and they need help: extend unemployment and make COBRA decent instead of over-priced. But do things in a manner that is statesmanlike, not theatrical.
 
Did he never hear FDR's "the only fear we have to fear is fear itself". This fear mongering is childish. Pass a couple of real stimulus items to get people spending that can (what happened to that new car credit?) and then look closely and deliberately at the other items, if you must. But, STOP scaring elderly people that remember the real Depression!

bho has been trying to scare people since before the election. he's been telling us that the country is essentially about to crumble, and only by spending a trillion more, can it be fixed, and only by him. even the tiniest perception of improvement will cause people to believe he's a good president and he'll be elected for a second term. nevermind that we aren't in the situation he has represented.

i'm sorry that your mother is upset. it must be really horrible to think that, after doing the right thing, working so hard your whole life, it could all be taken to give to the couch potatos.
 
That Prop 8 thread is just about enough to make me ticked off.

I don't understand the libs. It's okay to persecute someone who has opposing beliefs? I thought we were supposed to be more caring, understanding, inclusive, etc.? I don't get it.
 
i'm sorry that your mother is upset. it must be really horrible to think that, after doing the right thing, working so hard your whole life, it could all be taken to give to the couch potatos.

She loses my Dad in August and then she is told that the sky is falling. Needless to say, not a good year.
 
I don't understand the libs. It's okay to persecute someone who has opposing beliefs? I thought we were supposed to be more caring, understanding, inclusive, etc.? I don't get it.

There is a radical militant fringe that sees eveything as a one way street. :sad2:
 
Not bad overall. We stayed four nights at the Mirage. We saw the Cirque show playing there, The Beatles:Love, which was an incredible show.

Our only set back was Saturday. They spray the air in the Venetian with some kind of sickly sweet perfume, which triggered an asthma attack in my SO. She was OK, but we weren't able to get out the rest of the day. It also caused her to miss seeing Wayne Brady, who was playing at the Venetian. She talked me into going as our tickets were already payed for and that way we only ate the cost of one ticket. It was also a great show and WB is a very talented performer. The show was a mix of improv, comedy, and music. The theater was small, so even in the cheap seats you were close enough to the stage to have a great view.

We toured a few of the hotels on the South end of the Strip on our last day there, and hope to make it a yearly trip even if only for a couple of days.
Glad you enjoyed Vegas! I haven't seen that Cirque show. I have seen Mystere (loved it) and O. Dh and I have been thinking of going back in a couple of months.

That Prop 8 thread is just about enough to make me ticked off. I think I better steer clear of that thing. :faint: I can't stomach the sickening game of the lefties pretending that google-map site is anything more than an intimidation tactic. I'm so darn aggravated at some of them!

*OK... feel better now... had to get that off my chest somewhere* :smokin:
:sad2: I haven't read that thread, yet. Almost afraid to. My pastor already gets numerous threats and we have to have undercover cops in our church services. I can't believe people would be defending that google map site. You don't go after people just because they vote differently than you. I detest Obama's stances on abortion, as I am very pro-life, but I would never dream of hunting down those who voted for him.
:wave2: I'm off to see the mouse!

(ok ok, parents first THEN the mouse!)

And breezy, I'll be sure to ride Soarin, don't you worry!

Have a great time!
 
Good Afternoon, Cons. I'm shamelessly directing you to another thread I posted, in which the Congressional Budget Office says Obama's stimulus will HURT the economy in the long-term. Will he listen? I see he's scheduled a prime time "Scare the American People" press conference Monday night. Drudge has a link up saying he's in "combat mode." It's so bizarre. Every characteristic these people accused George Bush of — arrogance, not listening, trading in fear, partisanship, being tone deaf to the will of the people — none of which was true about Bush, is ENTIRELY true of our new president. It's the most blatant case of projection I have ever seen.

Also, did anyone hear Sean Hannity today play the clip with the disgraceful Sen. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) saying "it's time" to bring back the Fairness Doctrine? Yeah, conservative radio let the American people know what kind of CRAP was in this wretched bill, so now the democrats need to make sure THAT never happens again. They want to legislate in the dark, so no one will know what they are doing. They aren't upset that this stimulus bill is a pork bribe that won't help the economy at all — they're upset that the American people were told the truth about it! Disgusting!

Also, dig my sweet siggy quotations. Yeah, I finally figured out how to do that.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2081779
 
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