Congress concerned over MagicBand security issues..

[doconeill]

How are they telling Susie this? The bands have no monitor or speakers, after all. What is more likely to happen is that after waiting in the line to see Belle, mom gets a text with a coupon code for a Belle tshirt for Susie.

I said it was an extreme example...but since you want to play the game..a cast member could get the info and talk to the girl...a video screen in the window, etc.

And I'm NOT saying that's the plan. Just that it's possible and what they need to assure the public about.

 

[doconeill]

Ummmmmm, the band can't tell the kid anything.

As I said it doesn't need to be the band.

 

[finedice]

Ummmmmm, the band can't tell the kid anything.

No, you're very correct, but the band tells Disney about preferences. The message goes to the parent, who gets the bargain, and buys the whatever. Princess is happy.

22 years later as the princess is preparing her kids for their first trip to WDW...."Yes honey, it is a magical place where wishes come true". "if you wish for it hard enough for something, you will get it".

Didn't you all see Wall-E?

 

[Granny square]

As I said it doesn't need to be the band.

I'm sorry but all I can picture is some seedy character whispering to the kid that they can buy some "stuff" with the magic band...

 

[Granny square]

Please play the semantics of the language any way that makes you feel more at ease about it. If you don't care, more power to you. I do, and I also like taking my family to WDW. It shouldn't be penalized for protecting my family's identities as much as possible in this world.

I don't want to have to offer up personal information to large scale corporations just to use a service of theirs; I feel that the financial pricetag is enough. I don't feel I should have to give them anymore that that, but they want more. They want to know about me intimately, and I am not comfortable with their desire to know me that way. If you are, fine... I have no problem with that desire...

It is like everything. There is give and take. You give the information and you are given privileges. As far as shouldn'ts I this world, this one is pretty low on the list of world concerns.

 

[Granny square]

No, you're very correct, but the band tells Disney about preferences. The message goes to the parent, who gets the bargain, and buys the whatever. Princess is happy.

22 years later as the princess is preparing her kids for their first trip to WDW...."Yes honey, it is a magical place where wishes come true". "if you wish for it hard enough for something, you will get it".

Didn't you all see Wall-E?

Do you think the parent doesn't know that child likes belle and that they sell belle merchandise?

And as far as bringing their children later and saying disney is magical, really? Do you read this board?

 

[doconeill]

I'm sorry but all I can picture is some seedy character whispering to the kid that they can buy some "stuff" with the magic band...

You can never trust those streetmosphere characters...

Like I keep saying, it as an extreme theoretical example, and that was just in the park. I already gave a potential example outside the park using a technology Disney has already said they are considering...Disney Infinity.

It all comes down to the fact that the _can_ collect information, more than they currently had, regardless of what that information is. Because it involves children, they need to explain what that information is and how it will be used.

 

[Granny square]

so true

While I see your point I guess that I have just seen too many big concerns be for nothing to be too concerned. People, in general not meaning you!, seem to get off on paranoia and panic. So if rather see what comes than speculate the worst. If that makes sense.

I do think there are far greater concerns that need to be addressed by our national leaders!

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

so true

While I see your point I guess that I have just seen too many big concerns be for nothing to be too concerned. People, in general not meaning you!, seem to get off on paranoia and panic. So if rather see what comes than speculate the worst. If that makes sense.

I do think there are far greater concerns that need to be addressed by our national leaders!

Makes sense to me!

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[doconeill]

so true

While I see your point I guess that I have just seen too many big concerns be for nothing to be too concerned. People, in general not meaning you!, seem to get off on paranoia and panic. So if rather see what comes than speculate the worst. If that makes sense.

I do think there are far greater concerns that need to be addressed by our national leaders!

Keep in mind...the exact same thing came up in 2006, when they changed to the single finger scans from the two-finger geometry scans.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Please play the semantics of the language any way that makes you feel more at ease about it. If you don't care, more power to you. I do, and I also like taking my family to WDW. It shouldn't be penalized for protecting my family's identities as much as possible in this world.

I don't want to have to offer up personal information to large scale corporations just to use a service of theirs; I feel that the financial pricetag is enough. I don't feel I should have to give them anymore that that, but they want more. They want to know about me intimately, and I am not comfortable with their desire to know me that way. If you are, fine... I have no problem with that desire...

I'm not "playing semantics" -- what I've said is literally true -- and pretty simple and straightforward. It is your choice. You don't like that you're being forced to make it. I get that, but that is the world we live it wrt technology -- all around us.

Whether at a grocery store, on google, with FaceBook, using cell phones, having stores ask for your email address, phone number and zip, etc. With each of these -- and with MagicBands -- we have a choice to make. Some element of privacy vs. an improved product (of some sort). Incidentally, for a couple of the ones I listed above I opt out. I'm not worried about Disney -- that's the choice I'm making.

To each his own! But trying to engage in individualized marketing isn't evil -- it's what any company with the resources would try to do. We can choose not to give them our business if we don't like it, or the specific way they ultimately use the info. With Disney, we don't know yet, do we?

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[Granny square]

Keep in mind...the exact same thing came up in 2006, when they changed to the single finger scans from the two-finger geometry scans.

The paranoia? Some people insist on believing that disney keeps real fingerprints in their system And would insist it were true even if the person who invented the biometric measuring device signed in blood that it isn't.

Lol, I have conspiracy theorists around me irl and they make me crazy...

 

[doconeill]

The paranoia? Some people insist on believing that disney keeps real fingerprints in their system And would insist it were true even if the person who invented the biometric measuring device signed in blood that it isn't.

Lol, I have conspiracy theorists around me irl and they make me crazy...

The paranoia, the inquiries as to what they were collecting, etc.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

The paranoia, the inquiries as to what they were collecting, etc.

I remember that. Thought it was unfounded and blown incredibly out of proportion then, too. I was but a lurker then...

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[doconeill]

I remember that. Thought it was unfounded and blown incredibly out of proportion then, too.

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People didn't understand the technology they were using. It looked like a fingerprint scanner. It acted like a fingerprint scanner.

Much the same as today.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Just saw this on twitter... From LaughingPlace.com...


"Today, Disney CEO Bob Iger strongly responded to the letter. Among his comments:

We are offended by the ludicrous and utterly ill-informed assertion in your letter dated January 24, 2013, that we would in any way haphazardly or recklessly introduce a program that manipulates children, or wantonly puts their safety at risk.

It is truly unfortunate and extremely disappointing that you chose to publicly attack us before taking the time to review our policies and/or contact us for information, which would have obviated the need for your letter. Had you or your staff made the slightest effort, you would have found most of the answers to your questions already existed and were publicly available online at http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporate/pp.html and https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/my-disney-experience/privacy-policy/"



Haven't seen the full response yet, but he doesn't sound afraid, exactly...


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[MickeyMinnieMom]

Full Iger response here from Deadline: http://m.deadline.com/2013/01/disney-bob-iger-magicband-congressman-ed-markey-magicband-privacy/

January 28, 2013
The Honorable Edward Markey
2108 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515

Congressman Markey:

For 90 years, Disney has been synonymous with high-quality entertainment for families and children of all ages. We use creativity, innovation and technology to create memorable moments and experiences for our hundreds of millions of customers and guests. And, as you well know, Disneys record and commitment to childrens safety and security and the protection of their privacy is exemplary. People around the world trust Disney and its products. That trust is the cornerstone of our company, and we take it very seriously.

We are offended by the ludicrous and utterly ill-informed assertion in your letter dated January 24, 2013, that we would in any way haphazardly or recklessly introduce a program that manipulates children, or wantonly puts their safety at risk.

It is truly unfortunate and extremely disappointing that you chose to publicly attack us before taking the time to review our policies and/or contact us for information, which would have obviated the need for your letter. Had you or your staff made the slightest effort, you would have found most of the answers to your questions already existed and were publicly available online at http://corporate.disney.go.com/corporate/pp.html and https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/my-disney-experience/privacy-policy/.

In the enclosed attachment, we address the questions in your letter about our new, yet-to-be* launched program, MyMagic+. However, to ensure that you fully understand our practices as they pertain to children, and our commitment to our guests privacy, let me be clear and reiterate the basic facts.

MyMagic+ is a completely optional program that was designed with privacy controls from the outset. Disney does not use personal information to market to children under age 13, does not personalize or target advertisements to an individual child, and never shares childrens personal information with any third party for their marketing purposes. Additionally, parents have full control over their childs participation in MyMagic+. We have transparent privacy practices, guests can control and limit the amount of information they provide to us  and how their information is used.

Further details are attached

Sincerely,
Robert A Iger

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[finedice]

I wonder if anyone can find the attachment... I would like to see the specific answers... there should be some answers to a lot of our questions in there...

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I wonder if anyone can find the attachment... I would like to see the specific answers... there should be some answers to a lot of our questions in there...

I'm sure it'll be somewhere on the web if it isn't already -- clunky to try to search on my phone.

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[goofy4prez]

Congress wrote a letter to Disney asking for clarification of the MagicBand, what data they intend to collect from children, etc.. because they are "deeply concerned."

http://markey.house.gov/sites/markey.house.gov/files/documents/Letter -- Disney -- 1-24-13.pdf

I am "deeply concerned" about congress and have written a letter to my congressman. Eight months later I'm still waiting for his reply.