Congress concerned over MagicBand security issues..

[doconeill]

Easy enough to associate your Magicband and your rose-shaped beeper...which very likely has a GPS chip in it...

Those roses appear to also be RFID from descriptions. The tables themselves may have receivers.

GPS would not be useful at the granularity of tables in a restaurant - it's not that accurate. But there are some indoor radio systems, and it could use one of those.

 

[larryz]

Those roses appear to also be RFID from descriptions. The tables themselves may have receivers.

GPS would not be useful at the granularity of tables in a restaurant - it's not that accurate. But there are some indoor radio systems, and it could use one of those.

DGPS isn't that expensive anymore and IS granular enough -- witness the golf cart devices...

 

[mesaboy2]

Those roses appear to also be RFID from descriptions. The tables themselves may have receivers.

GPS would not be useful at the granularity of tables in a restaurant - it's not that accurate. But there are some indoor radio systems, and it could use one of those.

Exactly. There are RFID sensors at each table, from everything I've read. That is how they find you. Worked great both times I've done it, including 3 days ago.

 

[mesaboy2]

DGPS isn't that expensive anymore and IS granular enough -- witness the golf cart devices...

But golfers who use that system do not have distance control that granular. They mostly stink and are not going to question a 133-yd reading by insisting their shot went 133 yards.

 

[larryz]

Exactly. There are RFID sensors at each table, from everything I've read. That is how they find you. Works'ed great both times I've done it, including 3 days ago.

RFID direction finding would be more expensive and more difficult to integrate than a simple GPS chip in the puck...

But never underestimate the complexity an engineer builds into his system... I agree wireless RFID sensors is an option.

 

[mesaboy2]

RFID direction finding would be more expensive and more difficult to integrate than a simple GPS chip in the puck...

But never underestimate the complexity an engineer builds into his system... I agree wireless RFID sensors is an option.

It doesn't need direction finding. The range of each puck is probably less than the distance between the tables. The system simply reports what table senses your puck.

 

[doconeill]

DGPS isn't that expensive anymore and IS granular enough -- witness the golf cart devices...

Are they really using DGPS for golf carts? They can't find a golf cart within 10-15 meters of a location?

RFID direction finding would be more expensive and more difficult to integrate than a simple GPS chip in the puck...

But never underestimate the complexity an engineer builds into his system... I agree wireless RFID sensors is an option.

Is it directional finders, are are the servers simply told which table you are at? Or may be there are visual cues that we are not aware of? I really need to check this out...

 

[larryz]

Are they really using DGPS for golf carts? They can't find a golf cart within 10-15 meters of a location?

Check out this patent.

 

[doconeill]

Check out this patent.

Nice...they can yell at duffers electronically because they aren't playing fast enough

Can they make DGPS devices small enough yet? I thought they were somewhat larger.

I still don't see them using it in a restaurant...I don't think the servers are doing geocache hunting..."Nope, 4 feet further west...oops, sorry sir, didn't mean to trip over you..."

 

[jade1]

Someone who skims your Disney RFID might be able to make some purchases (PIN codes are supposed to be required on all purchases now), and might be able to get some pictures taken and added to your PhotoPass (some thieves aren't too bright ), and might be able to get into the park with your ticket (if the finger scanners are off). And if they are very very lucky at guessing what resort you are staying at and what room, get into your room. And only while you are still at WDW. That's about it.

I really only care if they take my FP+ attractions.

Actually everything you list is pretty bad-so I'm not sure if your kidding or not. I'm sure Mickeyminniemom is correct on the coding (I hope).

But if you think they "might" be able to access my room-why couldn't they just wait for someone to leave a room and stand by them in the elevator? Then go right back up to the room as soon as they see them get on a bus.

 

[doconeill]

I really only care if they take my FP+ attractions.

Actually everything you list is pretty bad-so I'm not sure if your kidding or not.

But if you think they "might" be able to access my room-why couldn't they just wait for someone to leave a room and stand by them in the elevator? Then go right back up to the room as soon as they see them get on a bus.

Not really kidding.

1) Purchases: If Disney is now requiring PIN codes for all purchases, then the skimmer would also somehow need to obtain that. Hopefully the pinpads are somewhat obscured.

2) Photopass...is it that bad if you have a few extra pics of a stranger, who you now know skimmed your RFID and can be used in evidence for making fraudulent purchases and a room break-in?

3) Ticket use - easily detected and fixed in general.

4) Room access - that is the most concerning out of anything. But hopefully security would notice someone loitering in the hallways like that...

5) Using FP+ - it would be fun to both show up at the same time....

 

[linzbear]

Oh not this again. It is cheaper, easier, and more lucrative to skim credit card numbers. No one is going to steal your Magic Band RFID.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Not really kidding.

1) Purchases: If Disney is now requiring PIN codes for all purchases, then the skimmer would also somehow need to obtain that. Hopefully the pinpads are somewhat obscured.

2) Photopass...is it that bad if you have a few extra pics of a stranger, who you now know skimmed your RFID and can be used in evidence for making fraudulent purchases and a room break-in?

3) Ticket use - easily detected and fixed in general.

4) Room access - that is the most concerning out of anything. But hopefully security would notice someone loitering in the hallways like that...

5) Using FP+ - it would be fun to both show up at the same time....

Some of this I don't understand -- I'm no RFID expert.

Unless they get the pin, as you say, 1) is a no-go.

How can a skimmer do these items 2)-5)? Assume they skim the unique ID from the band -- practically speaking, how do they find out my room number, my FP+ reservations, or use this to enter the park as me?

Wouldn't they need to be able to transfer that ID# to a new band for 2)-5), and access Disney's database for 4)?

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[MickeyMinnieMom]

Oh not this again. It is cheaper, easier, and more lucrative to skim credit card numbers. No one is going to steal your Magic Band RFID.

I'm with you on this, btw. Seems like a ridiculous amount of work to fleece someone through the band route...

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[disneyfan55]

Just to make sure you understand, there is NO information on an RFID device other than it's unique code. That code has to be tied to information somewhere else - in this case, Disney's computers. If you've provided that info to Disney in the past - say, to be able to charge to your room - it isn't much different with the RFID.

A thief after personal information is not going to go after your RFID. They'd go after Disney's computers, since that's where it all is.

I read on the WDW blog that charging could be made using the wristband. That would lead me to think the credit card info has to be there somewhere? To be honest, I don't provide WDW with my credit card info on the room key card. I keep my credit cards in protected sleeves and use remove only when using. Too many have had issue with the RFID in the credit cards being stolen with readers. I just don't see the need for all the RFID radiation either.

 

[jade1]

I'm with you on this, btw. Seems like a ridiculous amount of work to fleece someone through the band route...

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I agree, were kinda just "discussing" and certainly Disney has this covered.

I just don't want to sit at SAB and have my room number skimmed. They could just walk down the halls until a room opens.

 

[kaligal]

When Disney says it is optional, is that TRULY optional or is that "you're going to lose out if you don't participate" optional?

I don't want anything to do with these bands.

 

[disneyfan55]

I'm sure the wheels are turning regardless though.



From 4riction:

New credit cards and debit cards have what is called an RFID chip in them.
The RFID chip in a credit card emits the account number, expiration data and other information.

About 100 million credit cards now have this contactless technology embedded into them. However, over the next 2-3 years, it is expected that credit card issuers will replace every single magnetic stripe credit and debit card with a new contactless smartcard.

This technology update will enable you to use your credit card without ever needing to take it out of your pocket.

But watch out ! Thieves are quick to jump on this technology upgrade which makes their job so much easier. These new tech criminals are called SKIMMERS and what they can do to you will scare the life right out of you. If it doesn't they will certainly scare the life out of your credit card.

How does it work ?

SKIMMERS have a device which by doing as little as passing by you in a shopping center which will read your credit card number and expiration date of your card.

It's basically a small computer and as the SKIMMER walks by you and others, it stores the information of every card he or she passes by that day.

Later when they get home is when they do series damage to your account without you even knowing about it.

But you can protect yourself against this, companies are now offering cases for your credit card which will block the RFID signal. You can get these for as little as $3, which in my opinion is money well spent. This doesn't protect you against a SKIMMER who may be standing beside you in line when you pull it out to use it at the store.



I have a feeling this type of crime is going to skyrocket in the next year.
Consider yourself warned !

This is correct. I had the sleeves to protect my credit cards/passport. They were lined paper sleeves. I recently purchased a leather wallet (actually for my kids and husband for Christmas as well) as well. Too much information is stolen and these RFID bands are something I basically will refuse to wear going on vacation. I have been visiting WDW for almost 40 years and won't return if this is the only way to visit. WHen on vacation, I want to enjoy myself not be tracked and plan my every breath prior to getting there. Dining has become cumbersome as well with reservations months in advance. I like to be able to plan my day as I go, so this great new idea isn't even something I would want to do if not an RFID.

 

[mesaboy2]

I read on the WDW blog that charging could be made using the wristband. That would lead me to think the credit card info has to be there somewhere? To be honest, I don't provide WDW with my credit card info on the room key card. I keep my credit cards in protected sleeves and use remove only when using. Too many have had issue with the RFID in the credit cards being stolen with readers. I just don't see the need for all the RFID radiation either.

It is not on the band itself.

 

[disneyfan55]

It amazes me how progressives like Markey are so concerned about Disney collecting data all the while Obamacare and now these new potential gun laws will be collecting and amassing more data on you then Disney ever will. You better be more worried about the tens of thousand of new IRS agents and your doctor.

Yes so so true. And the type of weapon they are trying to outlaw is a 'asault weapon' when we own one and a 'personal defense weapon' when they buy it (and theirs can multifire! not the civilian version!!)