Congratulations to Elton John

[PaulaSB12]

One thing though the child was born in America with american donated egg and an American surragote does that mean the child has the right to be duel citizen (british/American). Also I wonder how the legalities over here will affect them because by british law the woman who gives birth to a baby is the legal parent whether they are the biological parent or not. There was a case where a british couple had a pair of twins which where part asian. It wasn't known if the wrong ova or the wrong sperm had been used (it was the wrong sperm and the husband was allowed to legally adopt them). If it had been the ova that had been used the biological mother would still not have had any legal right to get the children back as the woman who gave birth to them is legally their mother.

 

[PaulaSB12]

Why have a baby then get 2 nannies and put the baby in another appartment? That child is just a toy. Also the other child he promised to help support his grandmother says she has heard nothing in at least a year.
http://boomnews.info/elton-johns-ne...luxury-flat-with-two-nannies-round-the-clock/

A New York television star who is a long-time friend of the couple said: ‘Elton and David have wanted this baby for a long time. They bought their first apartment in 2007 and then the following year they bought the smaller one next door.

‘Everyone originally thought they bought the smaller apartment because they wanted extra space, but then I found out they were trying to have a baby.

‘They haven’t said whether they have knocked the wall down between the two apartments but I must say at Elton’s age, I wouldn’t blame him if there is no adjoining door. Will he really want to be woken up at night by a screaming baby?

‘From what I understand the baby and his nannies are living in one apartment and Elton and David are living in another.’

 

[DeluxePrincess]

Why have a baby then get 2 nannies and put the baby in another appartment? That child is just a toy. ’

They have oodles of money to do whatever they please. Most of us regular folks are happy to give our child his own room if we can. I would expect nothing less of Elton in buying his child an entire apartment.

As far as his child being a "toy", I've seen plenty of that on Facebook. A few of my acquaintances have teen daughters that have recently become mothers. Some of the pictures they post seem like nothing more than a child dressing up their dolly for pictures. Meanwhile, grandma posts about the late night/early morning feedings and diaper changes.

 

[PaulaSB12]

They have oodles of money to do whatever they please. Most of us regular folks are happy to give our child his own room if we can. I would expect nothing less of Elton in buying his child an entire apartment.

As far as his child being a "toy", I've seen plenty of that on Facebook. A few of my acquaintances have teen daughters that have recently become mothers. Some of the pictures they post seem like nothing more than a child dressing up their dolly for pictures. Meanwhile, grandma posts about the late night/early morning feedings and diaper changes.

How are you going to be there for your child when he is ill at night if you are asleep in a different apartmet? Who will the child call for if he is having a nightmare? Being a parent means being there in person not in a different address.

 

[PaulaSB12]

Will you pray for my child also? You see, he is adopted, and I have not led a pure life. I have made mistakes and done things that I am not proud of. I can stand up and admit that I am neither a perfect person or parent. As such, I am raising an imperfect child who makes mistakes and misbehaves. The poor thing is probably living a life of quiet torment and anguish. So please, pray for both children.

Did you put your child in a different apartment with 24 hour nannies so you didn't get woken up in the night? No I bet you looked after your child yourself. It is being said that he wants another baby in one way I hope he does get one soon because at least the first child will then get company.

 

[powellrj]

How are you going to be there for your child when he is ill at night if you are asleep in a different apartmet? Who will the child call for if he is having a nightmare? Being a parent means being there in person not in a different address.

After a 2 day marathon of watching House Hunters, that is very common for people to do. They will buy 2 apartments and then tear down walls to make 1 large apartment. If you like where you live and can afford to do it, go for it!

 

[Wall-E1]

Why have a baby then get 2 nannies and put the baby in another appartment? That child is just a toy. Also the other child he promised to help support his grandmother says she has heard nothing in at least a year.
http://boomnews.info/elton-johns-ne...luxury-flat-with-two-nannies-round-the-clock/

A New York television star who is a long-time friend of the couple said: ‘Elton and David have wanted this baby for a long time. They bought their first apartment in 2007 and then the following year they bought the smaller one next door.

‘Everyone originally thought they bought the smaller apartment because they wanted extra space, but then I found out they were trying to have a baby.

‘They haven’t said whether they have knocked the wall down between the two apartments but I must say at Elton’s age, I wouldn’t blame him if there is no adjoining door. Will he really want to be woken up at night by a screaming baby?

‘From what I understand the baby and his nannies are living in one apartment and Elton and David are living in another.’

How are you going to be there for your child when he is ill at night if you are asleep in a different apartmet? Who will the child call for if he is having a nightmare? Being a parent means being there in person not in a different address.

Did you put your child in a different apartment with 24 hour nannies so you didn't get woken up in the night? No I bet you looked after your child yourself. It is being said that he wants another baby in one way I hope he does get one soon because at least the first child will then get company.

Whoa there! Don't get yourself all worked up into a tizzy. You seem to be getting a little hysterical over this "news" article you read. I personally don't hold much credence in tabloids, but to each their own. Let's take a deep breath here. It's not like some reputable news source has fact checked this for accuracy. This is simply an article posted on some celebrity rag. It's main source is an anonymous "New York television star." I'd say the likelihood of a "N.Y. television star" feeling the need to spread gossip about Elton John to a U.K. gossip rag is pretty slim. And I seriously doubt that this "television star" has any insight into the day to day care of this baby, including the nannie's ethnicities. The whole article sounds like "National Enquirer" type rubbish to me. You see, the way these papers work is that they take one fact (in this case, the purchase of an adjoining unit) and embellish upon it to get readers. Most intelligent adults are able to disseminate between fact and rumor. Some, not so much. Not knowing Elton or his partner personally, I tend to believe that this child is being cared for in nothing less than a loving and caring environment.

 

[luvmy3]

I do have a hard time congratulating someone that is becoming a parent in their late 60's, but thats just me.

 

[Wall-E1]

I do have a hard time congratulating someone that is becoming a parent in their late 60's, but thats just me.

What is your cut off age on congratulating new or first time parents? And why can't some people simply congratulate and wish new parents well no matter their age, sexual orientation, etc. It's just a nice thing to do.

 

[luvmy3]

What is your cut off age on congratulating new or first time parents? And why can't some people simply congratulate and wish new parents well no matter their age, sexual orientation, etc. It's just a nice thing to do.

My cut-off would be when a parent can't physically do all the things younger parents do with their kids.
Since I don't know EJ personally, why would I have to congratulate him to be nice? I didn't say I don't wish them well, I just don't think I need to congratulate someone for doing something I don't feel is something to be congratulated.

 

[DeluxePrincess]

Did you put your child in a different apartment with 24 hour nannies so you didn't get woken up in the night? No I bet you looked after your child yourself.

Sure, I look after my own children, but then again I don't have the choices the mega rich do.

 

[Wall-E1]

My cut-off would be when a parent can't physically do all the things younger parents do with their kids.

I can't physically do all the things younger parents can do with their kids. Being almost 40, I have some lower back issues. If he were still small enough, I wouldn't be able to have him sit on my shoulders for very long. There's no way I can ski or snowboard as long as my son and other younger parents can. He kicks my butt in distance running. A younger parent would probably be able to keep up. I just can't. I guess I have aged out of your criteria for offering congratulations. And here I was considering having another child in a few years. I would be in my early 40's. Oh, the horror! Younger parents could run circles around me at that age.(p.s. - If I decide to have another child and post about it here, please do not come on my congratulatory thread to specifically announce that you will not be congratulating me based on my age. I would find that to be rude).

What about young, handicapped parents? Some of them can't physically keep up with young parents of a similar age. They measure to your criteria of being younger but do not measure up on being able to keep up with similar young parents. How do you decide whether they are worthy of your congratulations?

Since I don't know EJ personally, why would I have to congratulate him to be nice? I didn't say I don't wish them well, I just don't think I need to congratulate someone for doing something I don't feel is something to be congratulated.

Well, then why did you feel the need to come onto a thread that was titled "Congratulations to Elton John" for no other reason than to state that you do not congratulate him? Do you typically walk into events or celebrations of others to specifically let them know that you do not congratulate them?

 

[Art 1]

What is your cut off age on congratulating new or first time parents? And why can't some people simply congratulate and wish new parents well no matter their age, sexual orientation, etc. It's just a nice thing to do.

Some don't believe in gays adopting would be my guess.

 

[Wall-E1]

Some don't believe in gays adopting would be my guess.

And you would be correct. Bigotry usually does get in the way of congratulatory wishes.

 

[luvmy3]

Some don't believe in gays adopting would be my guess.

You would be wrong, at least about me. I don't believe a 67 year old gay, straight, man, woman, black, white or blue person should become a parent. No hidden bigotry, just a personal opinion that I was sharing on this message board. As for why I came to this thread, I was interested in reading why EJ needed to be congratulated, I had no idea he had adopted a baby. After reading, I shared my opinion, just like everyone else on this thread. I'm sure Wall that I could read through your posts here on this board and found where you have done the same

As far as my cut-off age and being physically able to do things, if you all believe that a now 67 year old man will be able to keep up with his toddler, middle schooler and all the physical kids want to do then you are fooling yourself. I have 3 kids, my father is 67 now and there is a clear difference in what he was able to do with me when i was a child and what he can now do with his grandchildren. IMO its unfair to that child to have one so late in life, it has notihng to do with sexual preference, it is all about age. (For other reasons besides physical ability too) YMMV

 

[Art 1]

You would be wrong, at least about me. I don't believe a 67 year old gay, straight, man, woman, black, white or blue person should become a parent. No hidden bigotry, just a personal opinion that I was sharing on this message board. As for why I came to this thread, I was interested in reading why EJ needed to be congratulated, I had no idea he had adopted a baby. After reading, I shared my opinion, just like everyone else on this thread. I'm sure Wall that I could read through your posts here on this board and found where you have done the same

As far as my cut-off age and being physically able to do things, if you all believe that a now 67 year old man will be able to keep up with his toddler, middle schooler and all the physical kids want to do then you are fooling yourself. I have 3 kids, my father is 67 now and there is a clear difference in what he was able to do with me when i was a child and what he can now do with his grandchildren. IMO its unfair to that child to have one so late in life, it has notihng to do with sexual preference, it is all about age. YMMV

I agree with you.

 

[luvmy3]

And you would be correct. Bigotry usually does get in the way of congratulatory wishes.

I love how someone who doesn't want to congratulate a man old enough to be a grandfather on becoming a father is a bigot. Here's a newsflash, disagreeing with something a gay person does has nothing to do with the fact they are gay, it just means I disagree with what they have done. I realize that doesn't apply to the know-it-alls here on the DIS, but what is it the say when you assume things?

 

[Wall-E1]

You would be wrong, at least about me. I don't believe a 67 year old gay, straight, man, woman, black, white or blue person should become a parent. No hidden bigotry, just a personal opinion that I was sharing on this message board. As for why I came to this thread, I was interested in reading why EJ needed to be congratulated, I had no idea he had adopted a baby. After reading, I shared my opinion, just like everyone else on this thread. I'm sure Wall that I could read through your posts here on this board and found where you have done the same

I leave my opinions on plenty of threads. However, I generally do not go on to threads that are congratulating something, offering sympathies, etc. to specifically declare that I will not be offering my congratulations, sympathies, etc.

As far as my cut-off age and being physically able to do things, if you all believe that a now 67 year old man will be able to keep up with his toddler, middle schooler and all the physical kids want to do then you are fooling yourself. I have 3 kids, my father is 67 now and there is a clear difference in what he was able to do with me when i was a child and what he can now do with his grandchildren. IMO its unfair to that child to have one so late in life, it has notihng to do with sexual preference, it is all about age. (For other reasons besides physical ability too) YMMV

I do think that 67 is a bit old to be having kids, but that wouldn't stop me from congratulating the person. Also, I think Elton is 63, not 67. His partner is 48. Should his partner not be allowed kids because his spouse is too old?

I love how someone who doesn't want to congratulate a man old enough to be a grandfather on becoming a father is a bigot. Here's a newsflash, disagreeing with something a gay person does has nothing to do with the fact they are gay, it just means I disagree with what they have done. I realize that doesn't apply to the know-it-alls here on the DIS, but what is it the say when you assume things?

Just remember that you are the only one making this wild accusation. Like self persecuting yourself much? Nobody has ever suggested that you are a bigot. Art simply made a general statement that people who do not agree with gay adoptions would probably not offer congratulations. I agreed with that statement. Both he and I were not talking about you. Not everything on this thread is about you.

 

[luvmy3]

I leave my opinions on plenty of threads. However, I generally do not go on to threads that are congratulating something, offering sympathies, etc. to specifically declare that I will not be offering my congratulations, sympathies, etc

Generaly I don't either, but I did here. So what.



I do think that 67 is a bit old to be having kids, but that wouldn't stop me from congratulating the person. Also, I think Elton is 63, not 67. His partner is 48. Should his partner not be allowed kids because his spouse is too old?

Who said they shouldn't be allowed to have kids? And again, sending congrats isn't a requirement, and I wouldn't do it if I felt what they were doing didn't deserve it. Do I wish them well, of course but I personally don't see this as something to celebrate. And yes, IMO 48 is still too old to have a baby.



Just remember that you are the only one making this wild accusation. Like self persecuting yourself much? Nobody has ever suggested that you are a bigot. Art simply made a general statement that people who do not agree with gay adoptions would probably not offer congratulations. I agreed with that statement. Both he and I were not talking about you. Not everything on this thread is about you.

I can admit when I'm wrong, I misread the below posts, not a big deal, I can come back and apologize that I read something into them that wasn't there. I took Art's response to the post he quoted as a direct comment to me. Since the post he quoted of your's was a question to me. since you seem to have a problem with the fact that I'm not here offering congrats, I thought you were sharing your assumptions on why I am not. I made a mistake, no big deal, not trying to make this about me, just misread the chain of responses, thats all. You sure are touchy.

What is your cut off age on congratulating new or first time parents? And why can't some people simply congratulate and wish new parents well no matter their age, sexual orientation, etc. It's just a nice thing to do.

Some don't believe in gays adopting would be my guess.

And you would be correct. Bigotry usually does get in the way of congratulatory wishes.

 

[Wall-E1]

I can admit when I'm wrong, I misread the below posts, not a big deal, I can come back and apologize that I read something into them that wasn't there. I took Art's response to the post he quoted as a direct comment to me. Since the post he quoted of your's was a question to me. since you seem to have a problem with the fact that I'm not here offering congrats, I thought you were sharing your assumptions on why I am not. I made a mistake, no big deal, not trying to make this about me, just misread the chain of responses, thats all. You sure are touchy.

Thank you for coming back to acknowledge this. A lot of posters on the Dis probably wouldn't do that. No harm done. The comments really in no way were directed at you.

I guess we should just agree to disagree. I personally feel that a couple having a new baby is worthy of congratulations, as well as good wishes. I also don't feel that 48 is too old to be a parent. I happen to know some adoptive parents that have become parents at that age. I'm sure that if I asked their children if they felt it was unfair to them that their parents adopted them at that age, they wouldn't think it unfair. I just think it's a bit insulting to the many older parents out there who do an exceptional job at raising their kids to make a blanket statement that 48 is too old to have a child. So, we have our own opinions on this, and I'm sure we aren't going to change each other's minds.