Conclusion - Need to Book FP+ as soon as possible

I'm not a meme hater lol, I thought the kitty's face was cute!

Better?

I used a real calender and Dali clock to document it. Now you throw in a pint or two of Rogue Dead Guy Ale and an officially licensed JAWS pewter bottle opener? I call that a party! Actually, we are just sort of giddy since our DL trip is in a couple of days.

 
Better?

I used a real calender and Dali clock to document it. Now you throw in a pint or two of Rogue Dead Guy Ale and an officially licensed JAWS pewter bottle opener? I call that a party! Actually, we are just sort of giddy since our DL trip is in a couple of days.

That bunny is mad chillin'. <3

Have fun at DL!
 
Thanks...we will have a great time.

I prefer the Haunted Mansion candelabra, personally.....but the calender bunny is sorta cool, too. He's like "I got 3 FP+s.....I can totally chill in the Mystery Machine most of the day...maybe hop outside and eat some "grass"....maybe hop back inside the Mystery Machine for a nap." I bet he is afraid of Fireworks, though. Mad chillin' indeed!
 
Jade, I'm always going to take issue with your view of the clean slate at WDW lol. I know we've debated this before, but the sheer act of pre-scheduling any FP's, especially 3 FP's, IMO negates the clean slate. Sure, part of your day might be free and open; however, when people are talking about a clean slate at WDW within the context of FP+ scheduling- most likely what they're meaning is the entire day being free and clear (like in the pre FP+ days). Entering a park with nothing pre-scheduled. Perhaps having a touring plan, or perhaps not. But often times just going where the moment takes them and making on-the-spot, spur-of-the-moment decisions with regard to FP's. This type of touring is how a lot of people were used to doing WDW with Legacy FP, and why so many are flat out against FP+. It's the *schedule* part of it all. Having to schedule...keeping to the schedule...feels too much like work and less like fun.

How do I know what the exact conditions on the ground will be 60 days out, 30 days out, a week before, the night before, even the morning of? We used to walk up to the rides in question and decide right then if a FP was even warranted at that moment in time. Sometimes it wasn't even needed, other times it was. Who's to know so far in advance? There are too many variables to even attempt listing as to why the conditions on the ground could and would change. With a FP+ schedule, changing things is now a challenge when it didn't used to be. Also, keep in mind that most secondary attractions didn't even have FP's, and didn't need them. But now they are FP-equipped and voila- their SB lines are longer.

IMO, not a good mix altogether: the pre-scheduling, loss of true clean-slate, lack of true flexibility, lack of headliner availability, long SB lines at secondary attractions, etc.


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It's also important to note the second half of the "clean slate" argument. It's not just that WE are starting the day with a clean slate. It's that every other guest at WDW was starting the day with a clean slate. Meaning that every morning you got up, every single fast pass in every single park was still available. So if you wanted to change things up because someone got sick earlier in the week, or because your day got rained out, or because you decided it would be fun to let your child pick a park for the day.......... you could do so without picking from scraps.

It's about the difference between something being possible and something being probable. Yes, it's possible you might get the headliner FP you want if you book last minute. But is it probable? That's really the issue in these dueling threads.
 
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It's also important to note the second half of the second half of the "clean slate" argument. It's not just that WE are starting the day with a clean slate. It's that every other guest at WDW was starting the day with a clean slate. Meaning that every morning you got up, every single fast pass in every single park was still available.

You beat me to it. That's what I meant by "clean slate". Not just that your day was free, but that the slate was not "written on" by ANYONE.

With FP+, the slate begins being "written on" at somewhere around 70 days out by people with 60+10 FP+ booking capability. If I'm booking same day FPs, the slate has been written on for more than 2 months by the time I start trying to "write on it" ... Not exactly ideal.

With that analogy, makes sense to be one of the first "writers", right?
 
Very much agree, the clean slate has 2 parts. Its not just about YOU not having anything planned and being able to do whatever you want, its about having access to the entire pool of FPs, having no one already reserved rides ahead of you. I don't understand how this gets lost on people ?
 
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Very much agree, the clean slate has 2 parts. Its not just about YOU not having anything planned and being able to do whatever you want, its about having access to the entire pool of FPs, having no one already reserved rides ahead of you. I don't understand how this gets lost on people ?
People get very intent on proving their point.
 
Better?

I used a real calender and Dali clock to document it. Now you throw in a pint or two of Rogue Dead Guy Ale and an officially licensed JAWS pewter bottle opener? I call that a party! Actually, we are just sort of giddy since our DL trip is in a couple of days.

I'm mesmerized by the clock. :)
 
This site has a nice "Change Log" available that shows FP's for Test Track and Soarin were all gone before the park even opened this morning. Soarin was gone at 6:40am, Test Track at 7:11am.
I suspect that this is what is typical. Therefore it would seem wise to prebook and not wait day of. So those who prefer starting the day with a clean slate have a good point IMO.
 
This site has a nice "Change Log" available that shows FP's for Test Track and Soarin were all gone before the park even opened this morning. Soarin was gone at 6:40am, Test Track at 7:11am.

This site is fantastic, absolutely fantastic.
 
I can see the clean slate points made-in other words "everybody" having a clean slate first thing in the am. Point taken.

Our "usual" touring (and the average arrival guest being noon) didn't permit that, and Easter week (and XMAS) it was dramatically worse.

However-now you have the choice IMO. You can "be safe" and reserve ahead, or you can do what we did Easter week.

We did in fact start each day with a clean slate. We woke up and picked a park-it can't be argued.

One example is Wednesday of Easter week-we woke up and went to DHS. Doing TSM/RNR/TOT in 45 minutes a peak week is a success IMO. We also woke up and did AK by noon (nemo was at noon), Safari/EE/Dino/FOTLK/TTBAB/Nemo.

These were without any FP+ Easter week. So none of that has changed with FP+, I would think folks would be happy to hear that.

The fact that we could have reserved FP+ for later, or even evenings makes that even better.

The fact we were able to reserve all headliners in the parks "day of" should be even better news.

We needed no phones, no computers, and no plans.


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It's just so simple.
What could possibly go wrong?
 
Another perfect example of someone just being unable to allow a phrase with negative connotation being attached to FP+.

A clean slate has 2 parts, 1) You haven't pre-planned anything, you can decide what to do at the moment. 2) Other people haven't had the opportunity to book things ahead of time.

2 - is the most important element. Even if you and only you had booked FP+ (no one else was allowed to) you could argue that every morning was a clean slate because you could decide whether to follow those plans or not, you could do something else. Each day would be a clean slate.

You did not start a day with a clean slate - it can be argued but to do so looks foolish.

If there are 10 slots available in a day for an attraction and people have already pre-chosen 8, and I wake up in the morning and pick that attraction and indeed get a reservation, that is NOT a clean slate. That is me still being able to get what I want, despite the fact that others have pre-booked. And of course, as we have seen MANY times here, this simply is not an experience you can count on having.
 













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