Complaints...AP Codes

[Sammie]

Disney does not see this as a problem.

Bottom line is Disney is a company & out to make money.

They know if the release these "codes", people who would not usually but APs, will buy them. And since these people have them, they will in a lot of cases plan at least one more trip before the APs expire, where if they did not have them they may not be back for a year or more.

I understand people who have current APs being frustrated that they get locked out of rates. But no one is promised or guarenteed a "code". You need to get on the phone & hold just as long as everyone else.

Some get the discount, some don't. That is the way the world works.

Disney is in this business to make money. And they will make money anyway they can. They are not in business just to give people "magic". If that was the case, they would not be looking for a profit (just to make ends meet).

I keep seeing "Walt would be so upset". You know, I really dont think so. Walt wanted to spread some magic sure. But he was wanted to make money just like everyone else. He wanted his company to grow & continue.

Very few people just want to "give". No one in the entertainment business is in it for the "joy it brings". Everyone has a bottom line, bills to pay, mouths to feed, and profits to grow.

Absolutely correct. As to Walt he might have been upset, but Roy Disney would not have. Without the business sense of Roy knowing to make Magic you have to turn a profit, Disney World would have never made it. Walt was famous for his poor sense of business.

Stockholders would definitely be upset if profits are not made.

 

[cobbler]

Personally, I think Disney should require an AP # or voucher # be attached to any room reservation booked at an AP rate. Just my unpopular opinion.

Not unpopular by me. I agree with you. I guess I too get discouraged too. I mean we are all competeing against one another as it is for very limited rooms but when you add non AP holders or non voucher holders (because you have already paid for it) to the mix who book it without having one and are doing so just to see if a better rate comes out.

I am not saying anyone is more entitled than anyone else but when you don't have a pass, don't know if you are going to buy one and are waiting to see if something better comes out then you are taking away from someone who has already paid the money to have the pass or voucher.

And most of us that get APs do it more for the room discount. I personally actually spend more money then the discount I get because darn it all if I don't try to squeeze in as many trips as I possibly can with that dangerous little sucker

 

[samnbilly]

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and keep trying. I called often for my last trip and different availability came up each time. People change their ressies all the time. If you don't get what you want, keep calling-bearing in mind that the Disney May celebration is going to be crazy busy and holidays like Memorial Day are also very busy times. Best of Luck to all of you. Sending some PD your way and praying I won't have to pay rack rate in August!

 

[Sammie]

Our family of four have been AP holders for 3 of our last 4 trips and only once did we not pay rack rate.

I get extremely frustrated when I cannot get an AP room rate for my family at a value or moderate resort when we're all holding activated APs; we don't have the luxury of a deluxe option AP rate or not. Particularly, when I know rooms are occupied by no Ap holders or those with one child AP. Just my jealousy. I guess I feel I am "more" entitled to that discount than friends or family without any AP in an adjacent room to an AP holder. I do not offer to book rooms at AP discount for friends or family.

I am also frustrated that I got the so called day early "Passholder mail" (see below) from Disney several hours after many non-AP holders already booked the rate for their rooms...

Since you're a Walt Disney World® Passholder, you can take advantage of these special Resort rates a day early! That's right, we're telling you before anyone else! That way, you can enjoy the best availability possible!

It's the perfect time of year for a Walt Disney World visit, because there's so much going on during the Happiest Celebration On Earth, starting May 5. It's the biggest celebration in Disney history commemorating 50 years of magic at Disney destinations with new Walt Disney World attractions and shows. Look for special Passholder get-togethers coming up, like an advance preview of the high-flying new Soarin'™ attraction April 15-17!

There are also lots of upcoming special events to enjoy, like the Epcot® International Flower and Garden Festival, April 15-June 5, and Star Wars™ Weekends at Disney-MGM Studios, during select weekends in May and June. When you're a Passholder, there's always something great to look forward to!

So don't let this Passholder Resort opportunity pass you by. Call (407) 560-PASS (7277) today and ask for booking code EWY before the word gets out!

Sincerely,

Kerry K. Headrick
Passholder Programs

PS. Be sure to check out disneyworld.com/passholder for offers, updates and more Passholder information.


Personally, I think Disney should require an AP # or voucher # be attached to any room reservation booked at an AP rate. Just my unpopular opinion. I'm seriously considering DU for our next trip. I think they may have more success than me.

I would contact Kerry Headrick, at Passholder Programs and let them know how you feel. Only then will things ever be changed.

 

[northern michigan]

I would contact Kerry Headrick, at Passholder Programs and let them know how you feel. Only then will things ever be changed.
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Good idea! I don't know why I didn't think of that.

 

[G&J's Mom]

Ya know, the parks, even in the value season are becoming more and more packed. I would think that the media blitz and constant in your face Magic Your Way packages are making it possible for more people to go. Did you ever think the lack of discounts could be associated with that rather than someone booking with a child AP or a current non-AP holder booking?? I just think that there is nowhere to lay the blame on this issue. I on the other hand do not think I am "entitled" to a room discount just because I am an AP holder, but boy it sure is nice if I get one, :, but I plan accordingly if I don't.

I don't normally touch debate issues on this board with a 10 foot pole, so I am going to climb off my soap box now

Denise

 

[northern michigan]

No, I don't think it's the current MYW blitz. We've had the same difficulty securing an AP room rate since our first AP in 1999.

 

[cobbler]

Ya know, the parks, even in the value season are becoming more and more packed. I would think that the media blitz and constant in your face Magic Your Way packages are making it possible for more people to go. Did you ever think the lack of discounts could be associated with that rather than someone booking with a child AP or a current non-AP holder booking?? I just think that there is nowhere to lay the blame on this issue. I on the other hand do not think I am "entitled" to a room discount just because I am an AP holder, but boy it sure is nice if I get one, :, but I plan accordingly if I don't.

I don't normally touch debate issues on this board with a 10 foot pole, so I am going to climb off my soap box now

Denise

You are exactly right! It doesn't have to do with non-AP holders exclusively. It has to do with that AND tourism being up. The new MYW packages and tickets. The US dollar being slightly weaker. The big celebration.
A whole world of factors does contribute there is no doubt about that.

Its just that some people do book rates when they don't have these passes and it does make it difficult for those who have them to do so. When in reality you shouldn't buy an AP for the room discount and sadly most people do and there are just going to be some that get hurt and fork over money they may not have expecting one.

 

[undertheradar]

Everybody complaining about lack of discount codes and child APs being allowed to book rooms with the discount need to try and get AP discounts here in California. In ratio to number of rooms versus number of APs, it is a constant battle to find discounts. Many have been upset that parking fees are starting to appear around WDW, yet we have them here in our "resort" fee. Even though many APs have parking added or Deluxe APs that include it, when staying at one of the three Disney resorts in Anaheim the resort fee is charged nightly. Why does it matter that Disney grants the same discounts to a child AP as an adult? Either way, there is a lot of cost for that AP. I personally agree that there should be a policy of one room per AP holder and only one reservation allowed to be held for any dates. How many people reserve multiple resorts while deciding where to stay. This takes away options for other APs. To not allow multiple bookings for the same dates would create a better chance that more APs could participate in the discount. To see how crazy rates can rise, when DCL started booking West Coast cruises, cabin rates rose to extreme levels. Now that those sailings have to be paid for, many sailing dates are becoming available. Many of those sharing information on cabin rates, were also booked into multiple cabins by using several TAs. This drove the prices highre and took away discounted cabins. I searched sailings yesterday for my family of five and we had numerous sailing dates to choose from. I am now hopefull that the prices will drop as DCL attempts to fill those empty cabins. The same occurs at WDW, as once the discounted rooms are booked, they do not get returned to discounted availability if the reservation is cancelled.

 

[northern michigan]

WOW, I didn't realize multiple bookings could be had for one trip. I tried that once a few years back because I couldn't decide quickly and was told at that time the computer wouldn't allow it. I didn't know it was an option.

Oh well, I just booked airfare for our Thanksgiving trip...so I'm happy. No more stress until AP rates come out (or don't come out) and PS window approaches.

 

[YetanotherMouseFan]

What I want to know is:

When do the discounts for Short, Blonde, Near-sighted Grandmotherly People come out?



Happy Almost-Friday!

 

[G&J's Mom]

How many people reserve multiple resorts while deciding where to stay. This takes away options for other APs. To not allow multiple bookings for the same dates would create a better chance that more APs could participate in the discount.

YIKES! Now that could be a problem.......

 

[robsmom]

Our family of four have been AP holders for 3 of our last 4 trips and only once did we not pay rack rate.

I get extremely frustrated when I cannot get an AP room rate for my family at a value or moderate resort when we're all holding activated APs; we don't have the luxury of a deluxe option AP rate or not.
I am also frustrated that I got the so called day early "Passholder mail" (see below) from Disney several hours after many non-AP holders already booked the rate for their rooms... "

I totally understand the frustration as a current ap holder of not getting the rate. I wonder though if the problem is truly people buying the AP just to get a discount. As I follow these threads it seems that it is values and moderates that are booked but not deluxe. I am one of the "guilty" people who got the rate and will now buy an AP. I will need a premium pass as we plan to do waterparks and DQ on our 10 day trip. I had planned to buy a 10 day myw pass. the difference will be in excess of $200 more. For the deluxe discount of $100 per night, i can see many people doing this. Even if i wasn't getting premium the ap would be cheaper but so would myw. I can't see many people in a scenario in which the AP doesn't cost at least $150 more. From what i have seen the value AP resort room rate is $25 per night less than rack. So people have to stay at least 6 nights to break-even. My question, I guess is - are that many people really buying AP's just for the discount at the values? I honestly don't think so. I think that the myw promotion is filling up the values and moderates and the issue is that disney isn't making these rooms available for the discounts. I think that is why today, you can still get AP for deluxe yet not some of the others.

 

[fun & fancy free]

I too think those without AP's/voucher's should not have been allowed to use code until voucher was purchased. This would make only those most serious about the AP/Voucher using those codes. Now if the general codes come out, and say someone who already has an AP discount but no AP/Voucher gets the gen discount will they cancel their AP discount room. Probably. That way they still get the room savings and don't have to spend the extra $ for the AP. Is this why AP rooms continue to pop up?

FYI.. we have 2 adult and 2 children vouchers. These were purchased because we are making 2 trips(so far) to WDW in 2005. It was just $ sense. The perk of a room discount never came into play. I enjoy the fact that it is there and that we were able to get it. In all honesty we will be spending the $$$$ at WDW anyway just not on our room. I hope all who are still waiting get what they need.

One of the pervious posters mentioned how the less expensive rooms are the one's that are sold out. This would explain why the only rooms avail are the most pricey rooms.

 

[BuckNaked]

First off, I don't think that it is possible any longer to book more than one resort for the same time frame, unless you are booking it for different people, so I doubt that is leading to fewer discounted rooms.

Second, a person that buys an AP to get the room rate, even if purchased after the room is booked, is just as much a "valid passholder" as the person that has the AP in their hand when they're dialing CRO. Disney obviously doesn't mind, so why should I?

Third, why do people care why other people buy APs? Is it really anyone else's business whether a family buys an AP for a room discount or for year long admissions? I don't think so.

And finally, I can't believe the way people are upset about what other people are paying for a hotel room. Who cares? If you got a room you like for a price you are willing to pay, why does it matter if the family in the room next to you paid less because they bought a child's AP for a discount? What impact does that have on you?

 

[lclark0621]

First off, I don't think that it is possible any longer to book more than one resort for the same time frame, unless you are booking it for different people, so I doubt that is leading to fewer discounted rooms.

Second, a person that buys an AP to get the room rate, even if purchased after the room is booked, is just as much a "valid passholder" as the person that has the AP in their hand when they're dialing CRO. Disney obviously doesn't mind, so why should I?

Third, why do people care why other people buy APs? Is it really anyone else's business whether a family buys an AP for a room discount or for year long admissions? I don't think so.

And finally, I can't believe the way people are upset about what other people are paying for a hotel room. Who cares? If you got a room you like for a price you are willing to pay, why does it matter if the family in the room next to you paid less because they bought a child's AP for a discount? What impact does that have on you?

Here Here! I totally agree with this post.

 

[DMRick]

This would make only those most serious about the AP/Voucher using those codes.
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Great post naked!
And why would having an AP make someone more serious than someone who is going to buy one? I bought my first one, just so I could use it to get a discount. That's how Disney hooks you. You'd think Disney was a flop and that they had no idea how to run their business, when I read people posting how Disney "ought" to do it and what they should allow LOL! I'm pretty sure they have it figured out by now.

 

[TheWeasel]

First off, I don't think that it is possible any longer to book more than one resort for the same time frame, unless you are booking it for different people, so I doubt that is leading to fewer discounted rooms.

Second, a person that buys an AP to get the room rate, even if purchased after the room is booked, is just as much a "valid passholder" as the person that has the AP in their hand when they're dialing CRO. Disney obviously doesn't mind, so why should I?

Third, why do people care why other people buy APs? Is it really anyone else's business whether a family buys an AP for a room discount or for year long admissions? I don't think so.

And finally, I can't believe the way people are upset about what other people are paying for a hotel room. Who cares? If you got a room you like for a price you are willing to pay, why does it matter if the family in the room next to you paid less because they bought a child's AP for a discount? What impact does that have on you?

AMEN!!!!!!!

 

[ihearttink]

First off, I don't think that it is possible any longer to book more than one resort for the same time frame, unless you are booking it for different people, so I doubt that is leading to fewer discounted rooms.

Second, a person that buys an AP to get the room rate, even if purchased after the room is booked, is just as much a "valid passholder" as the person that has the AP in their hand when they're dialing CRO. Disney obviously doesn't mind, so why should I?

Third, why do people care why other people buy APs? Is it really anyone else's business whether a family buys an AP for a room discount or for year long admissions? I don't think so.

And finally, I can't believe the way people are upset about what other people are paying for a hotel room. Who cares? If you got a room you like for a price you are willing to pay, why does it matter if the family in the room next to you paid less because they bought a child's AP for a discount? What impact does that have on you?

I so agree with everything you said . I had my TA purchase a AP yesterday for the discounted room rate for the BWI. And yes, I do mean purchase, I'm not holding out for any other discounts. Always been a person who likes a sure thing.

I have never gone to Disney more than once in a year, but now that I'm an AP holder, I'm already thinking - when can I get there again before the year is through? Even if I don't go again this year, why would I pay more for something than I have to.

 

[northern michigan]

It has no impact on me IF I too was able to secure an AP room rate. However, if I'm sitting next door with 4 AP's in hand and I'm paying full rack rate for my room, I'm irritated!

Our first 3 on-site trips we paid full rack rate. In our first moderate stay, first day, we took the bus to MK. I chatted with a very nice lady about the CSR we were all staying at for the first time. When she mentioned what she paid for her room, I turned beet red telling her my rack rate! Her rate was booked by a friend and she didn't even know how.

This is the affect it has on me. Until that time, I had assumed the AP room discounts were just a hook Disney used to get people to buy AP's and they probably only offered less than a dozen at each resort. Now, I know better. I'm trying to play their game like everyone else. When they e-mail a so-called special offer, now I know it's not special, it's not actually an advance offer as stated, and it's not only for current Ap holders as it states. It's actually available for anyone able who requests it first. I understand your point of view, I hope you can see mine.