Compensation when airline REALLY messed up your trip? UPDATE heard from USAir post 47

One of the problems traveling during a holiday week is the unavailability of alternative flights if issues come up.
Your outgoing flight was canceled due to mechanical issues. Jet Blue has a formal customer satisfaction policy listed on their website. At most you would have received a $50 voucher. I doubt your airline would give you much more.
You made the choice not to fly home. Nothing wrong with staying with your friend. I might have done the same thing. I'm not sure the airline owes you anything.
If I were your friend I'd be asking for compensation equal to what I'd be entitled to if I was involuntarily denied boarding, my ticket back (to use on a later flight) and 200% of the value of the ticket up to $800. Technically your friend doesn't come under idb, since she wasn't ticketed. I'd settle for vouchers instead of cash since IDB probably doesn't apply.
What is to stop an airline from "making mistakes and canceling tickets" to handle overbooking? I'd probably take the position the flight was overbooked and the airline canceled my reservation.
Sounds like you waited until you got to the airport to print your BP. Had you tried to print your BP before you got to MCO you have known about the problem in time to either call or at least get to the airport a lot earlier.
The PP makes some sense. Airlines are going to give more to their elite flyers. I suspect an elite flyer might get more then a $50 voucher for the canceled outgoing flight. The airline might have accommodated an elite flyer on an earlier flight by further overbooking an overbooked flight.
Doesn't change the fact that every passenger is entitled to a certain degree of service.
Helpful post.
No, there weren't any responses before, most of the ones here are somehow copied over from the other thread....could a moderator be in the middle of merging them?
Yesterday, this one just sank to the second page while the new one had lots of replies. What I was really looking for was anyone with actual past experience receiving compensation of any type for an airlines mistakes - and, while I did get a couple of those, mostly I got opinions, which is fine.
We'll see, I should hear from them sometime this week....

I believe the opinions that were given were trying to be helpful to you. But, in the end, don't you think that the issue is going to be resolved one way or the other by your communications directly with the airline involved?

Good luck in your efforts to get this squared away. Hope your visit was good other than the airline mess.
 
No, there weren't any responses before, most of the ones here are somehow copied over from the other thread....could a moderator be in the middle of merging them?
Yesterday, this one just sank to the second page while the new one had lots of replies. What I was really looking for was anyone with actual past experience receiving compensation of any type for an airlines mistakes - and, while I did get a couple of those, mostly I got opinions, which is fine.
We'll see, I should hear from them sometime this week....


I checked both threads...the first one, regarding 'free travel' had just about 3 pages of responses. This new thread had about 6 posts. I have merged the two threads together. This way, no answers will get lost in the shuffle.
 
Helpful post.


I believe the opinions that were given were trying to be helpful to you. But, in the end, don't you think that the issue is going to be resolved one way or the other by your communications directly with the airline involved?

Good luck in your efforts to get this squared away. Hope your visit was good other than the airline mess.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that I didn't appreciate the opinions, as I said, that was fine. Of course, it's always even more helpful to find someone who's "been there, done that" and can tell me what happened...that's all I meant by my comment...I really didn't mean to be unappreciative to the posters who wished me luck and offered opinions!
And, yes, Disney itself was outstanding! One of my best trips yet! I've started my first trip report on it, never written one before (I guess I'd be considered "elite" when it comes to visiting Disney, if they had such a category, but they do not, they simply treat everyone as though they are the most important guest....one of the things I love about them). It's titled "Flying Fiasco turns to Disney Devine".
 
Check w/ Christopher Elliot. He's a travel writer/blogger and specializes in helping people out of travel messes.

This sounds right up his alley!
 

Couple of questions. Why would you have thrown your DH's name around? I'm not a bit name dropper..the whole entitlement thing and all. How far in advance of your flight did you get to MCO? President's Week is one of the busiest week's of the year to fly. Most flights are sold out so when there are delays, mechanical or otherwise, it is very difficult to get put on another flight. A big reason I stay away from airline travel in the winter months. So, did you say you were already compensated with vouchers? If so, why are you trying to get compensated again? As for voluntarily giving up your seats while waiting for your friend, you will probably not be compensated. You voluntarily did not go to the gate. Your two tickets weren't affected at all; right?
 
Couple of questions. Why would you have thrown your DH's name around? I'm not a bit name dropper..the whole entitlement thing and all. How far in advance of your flight did you get to MCO? President's Week is one of the busiest week's of the year to fly. Most flights are sold out so when there are delays, mechanical or otherwise, it is very difficult to get put on another flight. A big reason I stay away from airline travel in the winter months. So, did you say you were already compensated with vouchers? If so, why are you trying to get compensated again? As for voluntarily giving up your seats while waiting for your friend, you will probably not be compensated. You voluntarily did not go to the gate. Your two tickets weren't affected at all; right?

I would not throw his name around, I was responding to a pp who suggested I do so (threads have been merged). We were there, at the counter 1 hour and 15 min before the flight, and still they couldn't figure it out in time. I didn't go to the gate because we were all actively engaged in fixing the problem,, the ticket agent actually was holding my baording pass anyway, I would have had to ask for those back so I could ditch my friend! I kniow alot of people complain when the problem was out of the companies control. but this one was really their fault!
 
OK, I just got an e-mail back from US Air apologizing for all the problems and including 3 $175 travel with us vouchers - one each for myslef, Christine, and Christine's daughter..I think they forgot my daughter by accident, so I have replied asking if we can have one for her as well. I do believe this is acceptable and am actually impressed with how quickly they responded.
 
OK, I just got an e-mail back from US Air apologizing for all the problems and including 3 $175 travel with us vouchers - one each for myslef, Christine, and Christine's daughter..I think they forgot my daughter by accident, so I have replied asking if we can have one for her as well. I do believe this is acceptable and am actually impressed with how quickly they responded.

wow I would have aske for an opened ened ticket but that just me I hope they do the right thing for you. on that note i hope that they put u in a hotel and paid for your meals ... Im so sorry that you hade such a bad expreance with the airlines. I fell your pain but the trick is to know your right as a passanger ..
 
wow I would have aske for an opened ened ticket but that just me I hope they do the right thing for you. on that note i hope that they put u in a hotel and paid for your meals ... Im so sorry that you hade such a bad expreance with the airlines. I fell your pain but the trick is to know your right as a passanger ..
They did put us in a crowne plaza (2 rooms, very happy we didn't all have to squeeze into one, when they tries to push us through security, they checked our bags, mine made the flight, Christine's did not..turned out to be bad luck for me - I had no pajamas). They did not pay for any meals. They did eventually get us home and these vouchers are basically worth about 1/2 of a round trip for us - so I do think it's reasonable. I'm hoping that not issuing a voucher for Becky was an oversight...we'll see.
Also, to the PP who asked why I wanted another voucher when they already gave me one, the voucher I received was not in compensation for this mess, it was an offer they made to anyone who volunteered to take a different flight than the one they oversold and it was given by United, not US Air...it was just for Becky and me - but I felt it was only right to share it with Christine....
 
I want to take your complaint, point by point.
The original flight that was supposed to get us to our connection was canceled due to a "maintenance" issue,
So did you want them to fly an unsafe plane? You were flying from your home airport (Albany I believe) which is not a hub for US Air. They don't just have a fleet of planes sitting there to take you. Planes break down, sometimes bad things happen. Did you get on the phone and computer and try to see what other options were?
no details given.
What kind of details did you need? The mechanic has determined that the plane was unsafe for flying. Would it have helped to know that the "thing a bob that does the job of XYZ" was broken? Are you mechanic able to repair the problems? You were flying on a very busy weekend and I am sure US Air didn't want to cancel that flight. A plane full of displaced passengers is not what they want, it wasn't a conspiracy against you.


The soonest they could get us out was the next day, and that was going to be 8 hours apart (we were 4 people, two moms each with a daughter) from each other. I spent 4 hours recalling and refreshing the airline website and finally saw seats open on my morning flight, so, due to my time and effort, I salvaged half of the next day.
Flight availability is constantly in motion. You did the right thing by staying on top of it. The airlines do not have an employee that can sit there and continue to search tirelessly for one flight for four displaced passengers. They gave you the only option available at the time on a very busy weekend. They were not going to kick other passengers off of flights due to an earlier mechanical. Unfortunately you lost the game of musical chairs on that day.

So, we lost 1 full day of vacation. That was bad enough, but,
when they changed our outbound flight, for absolutely NO reason, they put their fingers on the return flight for my friend and her daughter. There was no reason for them to touch it, it was confirmed with seat assignments back in August.
You note that your return was on United, which is a Star Alliance partner with US Air. Whenever the outbound is changed the whole ticket needs to be reissued, especially when they need to "pass" the ticket to another carrier. When the two of you were split up on two different PNRs that was a complete reissue.

So, while we got to the airport in plenty of time to get our flight home,
Per your previous post you stated you arrived at the airport 1:15 prior to your flight. You were traveling to a vacation destination on President's Day weekend. How in the world is that enough time for even a "normal" flight? 1:15 is not enough time to safely check bags and clear the zoo of security at a very busy vacation travel airport. :sad2:

when we went to get our boarding passes, next to my friend and her daughters name it said to see agent. The agents spent a very long time trying to figure out how to reissue the tickets and finally tried to push us through with "departure control" passes, but it was too late.
Actually the United term for the blue cards are called "departure management" cards. If all they issued were DM cards then your friends were never cleared for the flights. You and your daughter should have gone to the gate.

I guess the gate agent didn't believe the service manager at the ticket counter when she called her to say she was pushing us through security. The gate agent gave our seats away and when we got there, they slammed the door in our face and snottily said "well, we can't wait forever - we've been paging you" - she knew exactly where we were!
Had they held that flight they would then be responsible for delayed departure for 150 other passengers who then may miss a flight as well.


So, we missed that flight. Now, this is a mess, there are two airlines involved...I never knew that if your itinerary involves more than 1 airline, the first one, the one whose "stock" the ticket is on, is in control of all of it.
The first one is the one who messed up. After denying responsibility, they finally admitted it was their fault, but only for Christine and Nora..they were of the opinion that, instead of standing at the ticket counter straightening out the mess, I should have ditched my friend and her daughter and checked myself and my daughter in and gone home..since two of the tickets were ok. The second airline wound up taking care of me by getting me to DC, where all four of us had to stay until we could get a flight home the following day.
Those are the details....
You made a choice to miss the flight on a very busy weekend.
 
Prncss, thank you for your opinion, I get that you think I'm completely wrong and this entire situation was completely my fault. I disagree, and I'm not wasting anymore time explaining why...the fact that you need to correct what I mistakenly recalled as the name of the blue card tells me you are only interested in picking everything apart to prove why someone else is wrong.
 
I would not throw his name around, I was responding to a pp who suggested I do so (threads have been merged). We were there, at the counter 1 hour and 15 min before the flight, and still they couldn't figure it out in time. I didn't go to the gate because we were all actively engaged in fixing the problem,, the ticket agent actually was holding my baording pass anyway, I would have had to ask for those back so I could ditch my friend! I kniow alot of people complain when the problem was out of the companies control. but this one was really their fault!

Sorry, must have been confused with the merged threads. In the future, 1 hr and 15 minutes is not enough time at MCO. They recommend at least 2 hours in advance. The last time we went it took 45 minutes just to get thru security so you may have missed your flight even if there wasn't an issue. Glad they worked it out for you.
 
In the future, 1 hr and 15 minutes is not enough time at MCO. They recommend at least 2 hours in advance. The last time we went it took 45 minutes just to get thru security so you may have missed your flight even if there wasn't an issue.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
 
Sorry, must have been confused with the merged threads. In the future, 1 hr and 15 minutes is not enough time at MCO. They recommend at least 2 hours in advance. The last time we went it took 45 minutes just to get thru security so you may have missed your flight even if there wasn't an issue. Glad they worked it out for you.

Thanks. I will allow more time next time. I usually travel off season. The paperwork they gave us said to check in no later than 45 minutes before the flight, so I though 1 hr and 15 min was ample time...I see that was wrong!
 
Glad this is all said and done and that the OP has received what she feels (and personally so do I) is adequate and respectful compensation for the issues she experienced.

No offense to anyone, but glad to see the thread coming to a close now. I was getting stressed out with all the back and forth!

And yes Princess, I am qualified to have an opinion on this as an elite flyer.
 
Thanks. I will allow more time next time. I usually travel off season. The paperwork they gave us said to check in no later than 45 minutes before the flight, so I though 1 hr and 15 min was ample time...I see that was wrong!

Seasons don't really come in to play. Most airlines will not accept bags within 30 minutes of the flight. I always arrive for domestic flight 2 hours early giving myself plenty of time to check in, handle any issues that may arise and to make it thru security. MCO is by far the busiest airport that I have been in and takes the longest to go thre security, and I used to travel for business.
 
good for you! I hope you all had a great vacation. i'm glad you didn't let posts that disagreed with the airline's decision to acknowledge their error and compensate you - stop you from sharing your experience with us. I appreciate that. thank you.

ps. in my opinion an hour and 15 minutes is time enough to board your plane if you spend 45 minutes at security. hope that helps.
 
MCO airport is one of the more difficult ones. If checking baggage, the airport itself recommends 2 hours prior to the flight. I think some people forget there are usually lines. When checking bags, it is not uncommon to wait in line for 20 - 30 minutes, then a 45 minute wait thru security, then you need to wait for a tram and take it to your terminal. They also begin loading the flight 20 minutes before the flight time. Once they have paged you they will not hold the flight for you as the PP found out. There is no reason everyone else should have to wait to take off, and possibly miss connections, because others did not give themselves the appropriate amount of time.

OP - glad it all worked out for you in the end.
 
MCO airport is one of the more difficult ones. If checking baggage, the airport itself recommends 2 hours prior to the flight. I think some people forget there are usually lines. When checking bags, it is not uncommon to wait in line for 20 - 30 minutes, then a 45 minute wait thru security, then you need to wait for a tram and take it to your terminal. They also begin loading the flight 20 minutes before the flight time. Once they have paged you they will not hold the flight for you as the PP found out. There is no reason everyone else should have to wait to take off, and possibly miss connections, because others did not give themselves the appropriate amount of time.

OP - glad it all worked out for you in the end.

Thank you ccgirl,
In this particular case, I don't think it would have made a diffgerence if we had been 3 hours early. As far as them holding the plane....what happened here was that the manager for the ticketing area actually called the gate agent and told her that she was "pushing us through security" - the gate agent knew exactly where we were and that we would be there momentarily. It's not as though they were just paging and thinking we were having lunch somewhere ignoring them. There is a special security area for these types of situations..unfortunately, there were already 5 other families going through that way ahead of us. So, the gate agent got impatient, called up a standby family and gave them our seats...that's why she slammed the door shut when she saw us running through the terminal - she knew she had just given our seats away. the plane would not have left one minuter later if she had just listened to the ticketing manager....
But, it is what it is. From now on I will arrive at MCO 2 hours early.
If anyone ever has reason to depart Albany, you really only need an hour...if that!
 
not trying to hyjack this thread, but since the topic has changed to arrival time I figured I save myself a post by asking this question:

I have an 8:10am flight out of MCO, my transportation company said they will be picking us up at 5:45am from Shades of Green, think that is enough time or should I email them back and have them come earlier??? I've always been one to arrive super early, but I dont want to be waking up any earlier than we have to
 











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