Company Policy vs Customer Satisfaction (long rant)

luestrad

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I have to post this after saying that i had wonderful and magical experience with my family on our first visit to WDW. I was met with great customer services and offered a friendly smile till our last day.

Initally we had planned a 12 day florida vacation which we had saved for quite a bit of time do be able to take. As often happens in life on our 3rd day of our vacation, we were in a shuttle on our way to Disney's hollywood studios when we received a call from home. My wife's grandfather had just passed away. I was with my daugher, my inlaws (whos dad it was) and my niece. At this momment in shock we decided to get off from the shuttle and assess the situation on what we woudl do. It took us a while to get our bearings straight and decided to wait for the next shuttle to which ever park it was to go have a sitdown lunch and discuss what we needed to do next. The next shuttle was to the Animal Kingdom, were we honestly did enjoyed a great lunch and allowed us to discussed what we needed. We decided then and there to cut our vacation short and book flights for home for the next day. We also decided we might as well attempt to enjoy our remaining day and visit one of the the other parks we were heading towards.

Here is where I have a problem with company policy. Since we were not thinking at the time, when we went tried to go back into Disneys Studios, we were greeted by a non entry. The CM politley told us, dont worry, as we explained our situation and led us to the guest relations desk and she told us they woudl take care of us. The issue was that we didnt purchase the park hoppers and had just left the animal kingdom.

As we explained the unfortunate circumstances and how we would like to finish our stay at the Disney Hollywood park, the Guest Person(we'll call him Greg for anonimity) told us he was sorry, but we had to either pay a full day fee, or pay to convert all 6 tickets into park hoppers.(Another $300 or so dollars) He was very uncaring for our situation and kept telling us it was company policy. That since we Disney allows for people to "magic your way" admitance and we didnt do the hoppers we woudl have to pay. I informed him we were at most two hours at the other park, and told him our state of mind which basically we were not thinking I also told him that we inially planned to visit all parks, but had to cut our vacation really short and miss out on the remaining days on our tickets. But he refused to asssit. And I use the word Refused, since he did pretty much tell me he has the power to do something, but at this time chose not to, "Since its Company Policy".

I totally understand Company Policy, and can see other how a company needs to hold to the bottom line. But i believe exceptiosn should be allowed. "Greg" pretty much told me exceptions can be made, but he wasnt going to do so in this case. Since we were not given any choice, i decided to pay the additional amount, just to get it over with. I was upset at so many diffrent levels at this this time and given no choice. To add insult to injury he told us, "being that you are leaving anyways, and not stayin here any further, i can purchase thow unused days for $3 dollars - you konw to help with the cost". Given no choice, and trying to defray as much of the cost, and since we were truly having to leave unexepectly back home i took that offer. What burns me more, is after I payed and he processed my credit card. he then led us to a gate, where he simply let us walk thru without swipping our cards. I honestly felt he did this to show that he did have the power to pass someone if he so choose to.

Again, totally understandign company policy - should exceptions like this be allowed? Where can i voice my displeasure the way i was treated?

BTW so no one thinks I dont like Disney - i have faithfully visited Disneyland ever two years since I was 12 (with my parents) and continued the tradition with my own family. Current holder of their credit card and have bought pretty much all Disney movies to date. Was actually considering the DVC, but at this time it is out of my budget, and not exactly on the top of my list after this experience.

This was my very first visit to WDW and was overally impressed with the part and hope to be able to visit again some time soon.
 
I'm so sorry for your loss. I don't know what WDW should have done, but I'm sorry for your loss.:hug:
 
While I understand that your family had a shocking and upsetting situation to deal with, I don't understand why you feel Disney should have allowed your family to park hop without purchasing that option.:confused3 If they made an exception for your family, they would have to do so for every family that came to the gate with a sad story. I don't know they could have handled the situation an better than they did. You did enter and spend time in another park.
 

I'm so sorry :(


I'm a rule follower... but I think that there are times when concessions should be allowed. At the very least, I would think he could have offered you the ability to use one of your remaining days to enter the other park. If it were me and I had the ability to bend the rules, I would have done so. If I didn't have the ability, I would have checked with a supervisor who did.

Sometimes, as long as a rule isn't breaking the law and it truly isn't hurting someone, I think it should be flexible. No, they can't break the rule for every sad story. But I think in this case, there could have been some leeway or at least a discussion with a higher-up person.
 
I'm so sorry for your family, I know losing a family member is so painful. :hug:

I agree with Hunnypots. I am constantly dealing with people at work who are always trying to convince me they have a "special situation" when trying to get me to do something our company policy doesn't allow. I can usually tell when a person is being honest, but even then I don't make an exception because exceptions can come back and bite me in the you-know-where. I am sure the case member knew you were being honest but didn't want to make the exception because of other factors. I am really sorry this happened to you, but I don't think the CM was out of line.
 
Totally with you there.. HonnyPotts

I just wondered why Guest Relations personell, kept telling me he did have the power to do something, but wasnt going to. I totally understand Company Policy and I'm sure people have far worse experiences that had made them cancelled their trips.

Just dont make sense to me why they wave the "i can and have done exceptions but not goint to" and use the " its companhy policy" line when they dont really intent to assist.

Just really at a loss, and although i still ended up paying - and purchasing additnoal itmes inside the resort what the real company policy is.

Thanks for everyone's condolences, we had a beatiful service last thursday and my daughter managed to give him his last stuffed mickey on his flower arraigments.
 
Just curious have you ever had issues that you have discussed with Guest Relations before? They do keep a record of names, complaints etc and if there was some kind of complaint made before about something they might very well have taken that into account with making their decision, right or wrong im just trying to find some logic as to why he wouldn't help you in this particular case.

I will say it seems like you got a raw deal with the buyback on the tickets, I wonder what adding a no expiration option onto the remaining days would have been?, surely you would have got better value out of doing that than the deal he gave you.

Honestly people go to Guest Relations for all kinds of things and they can do quite a lot if they feel inclined to do so. While I understand people could argue that you shouldn't be allowed to use a ticket as a hopper without the hopper option surely in the spirit of Disney considering what you just explained to them and the fact you done what you did with your tickets would be enough to overlook it for this unique case.
 
I have to post this after saying that i had wonderful and magical experience with my family on our first visit to WDW. I was met with great customer services and offered a friendly smile till our last day.

Initally we had planned a 12 day florida vacation which we had saved for quite a bit of time do be able to take. As often happens in life on our 3rd day of our vacation, we were in a shuttle on our way to Disney's hollywood studios when we received a call from home. My wife's grandfather had just passed away. I was with my daugher, my inlaws (whos dad it was) and my niece. At this momment in shock we decided to get off from the shuttle and assess the situation on what we woudl do. It took us a while to get our bearings straight and decided to wait for the next shuttle to which ever park it was to go have a sitdown lunch and discuss what we needed to do next. The next shuttle was to the Animal Kingdom, were we honestly did enjoyed a great lunch and allowed us to discussed what we needed. We decided then and there to cut our vacation short and book flights for home for the next day. We also decided we might as well attempt to enjoy our remaining day and visit one of the the other parks we were heading towards.

Here is where I have a problem with company policy. Since we were not thinking at the time, when we went tried to go back into Disneys Studios, we were greeted by a non entry. The CM politley told us, dont worry, as we explained our situation and led us to the guest relations desk and she told us they woudl take care of us. The issue was that we didnt purchase the park hoppers and had just left the animal kingdom.

As we explained the unfortunate circumstances and how we would like to finish our stay at the Disney Hollywood park, the Guest Person(we'll call him Greg for anonimity) told us he was sorry, but we had to either pay a full day fee, or pay to convert all 6 tickets into park hoppers.(Another $300 or so dollars) He was very uncaring for our situation and kept telling us it was company policy. That since we Disney allows for people to "magic your way" admitance and we didnt do the hoppers we woudl have to pay. I informed him we were at most two hours at the other park, and told him our state of mind which basically we were not thinking I also told him that we inially planned to visit all parks, but had to cut our vacation really short and miss out on the remaining days on our tickets. But he refused to asssit. And I use the word Refused, since he did pretty much tell me he has the power to do something, but at this time chose not to, "Since its Company Policy".

I totally understand Company Policy, and can see other how a company needs to hold to the bottom line. But i believe exceptiosn should be allowed. "Greg" pretty much told me exceptions can be made, but he wasnt going to do so in this case. Since we were not given any choice, i decided to pay the additional amount, just to get it over with. I was upset at so many diffrent levels at this this time and given no choice. To add insult to injury he told us, "being that you are leaving anyways, and not stayin here any further, i can purchase thow unused days for $3 dollars - you konw to help with the cost". Given no choice, and trying to defray as much of the cost, and since we were truly having to leave unexepectly back home i took that offer. What burns me more, is after I payed and he processed my credit card. he then led us to a gate, where he simply let us walk thru without swipping our cards. I honestly felt he did this to show that he did have the power to pass someone if he so choose to.

Again, totally understandign company policy - should exceptions like this be allowed? Where can i voice my displeasure the way i was treated?

BTW so no one thinks I dont like Disney - i have faithfully visited Disneyland ever two years since I was 12 (with my parents) and continued the tradition with my own family. Current holder of their credit card and have bought pretty much all Disney movies to date. Was actually considering the DVC, but at this time it is out of my budget, and not exactly on the top of my list after this experience.

This was my very first visit to WDW and was overally impressed with the part and hope to be able to visit again some time soon.

First, let me say I'm sorry for your loss.

So, if I'm understanding correctly you bought a 10 day non park hopper ticket and only got to use 3 days on your ticket? If that is the case I can understand your dismay with the person not being willing to work with you, since it was obvious you planned to be there longer and would not get the benefit of using your tickets.

Unfortunately, if you only purchased a 3 or 4 day ticket, it may have made the CM less apt to bend policy to accomodate your request. Although you had a legitimate reason for your error with traveling to 2 parks without a park hopper ticket, the reality is that the CMs at Guest Relations frequently deal with guests that want a policy waived for less honest reasons. The sad thing is that the dishonest guests make it difficult for the CMs to believe every story they hear unless there is clear and convincing evidence to support the story. (I'm not saying I agree or that it is right, just that is what I have seen and experienced in the past.)

Op - I would follow up with a letter to WDW to explain your situation and share your concern about how it was handled. I would include whatever supporting documentation you have regarding the situation - receipts from AK showing the upgrade and even the obit from the newspaper. I would be surprised if you aren't contacted by someone from WDW. Good luck!:goodvibes
 
I'm very sorry for your loss, how terrible for that to happen on vacation!

I had a problem with park hoppers in early 2008. I was on a trip with my mother, father, and a friend of mine. My mother and father and I had APs that could hop. We purchased a non-hopper ticket for my friend. We weren't planning on park hopping but we did without thinking about it one day with our ADRs. Since it had been so long since we worried about hopping we did it without thinking and my friend entered one park and then another. It was simply a thoughtless mistake on our part. It counted as two admissions off her allotted admissions. About two days later she was greeted with a non-entry to the park we wanted to go to. We upgraded one more day on her ticket for six or seven dollars.

I was under the impression after that experience that you have a number of entries and entering two different parks in one day would use two of them. If this was the beginning of your vacation and you still had more days on your tickets, why didn't this happen for you as it did for my group? Have they changed the policy?
 
Thanks all
No, never complained before. and really didnt know they was an option for the tickets not to expire.

I will take the suggestion and write to them. Although as far as proof, having cancelled my remaining days in order just to finish up a an afternoon at the park was all i was asking for. But i can see what position CM are placed at, since unfortunately a lot of people probably try to pull somethign similar to get in for free or something.

Honestly I would return though, and have a wonderful time while i was there. Although a return trip is not in the near future.

Sparx - no thats not an option, or so i was informed.
 
I'm very sorry for your loss, how terrible for that to happen on vacation!

I had a problem with park hoppers in early 2008. I was on a trip with my mother, father, and a friend of mine. My mother and father and I had APs that could hop. We purchased a non-hopper ticket for my friend. We weren't planning on park hopping but we did without thinking about it one day with our ADRs. Since it had been so long since we worried about hopping we did it without thinking and my friend entered one park and then another. It was simply a thoughtless mistake on our part. It counted as two admissions off her allotted admissions. About two days later she was greeted with a non-entry to the park we wanted to go to. We upgraded one more day on her ticket for six or seven dollars.

I was under the impression after that experience that you have a number of entries and entering two different parks in one day would use two of them. If this was the beginning of your vacation and you still had more days on your tickets, why didn't this happen for you as it did for my group? Have they changed the policy?

No, this is not how MYW tickets work. If you do not have the hopping option, you will be denied entry to the second park you try to enter. Otherwise, people would buy 10 day non-hoppers and hop for five days for much less than the cost of a five day hopper.
 
Oglet said:
I will say it seems like you got a raw deal with the buyback on the tickets, I wonder what adding a no expiration option onto the remaining days would have been?, surely you would have got better value out of doing that than the deal he gave you.
Oh, I think leustrad got a LOT WORSE than a "raw deal". What 'Greg' did - offering to BUY BACK their unused days for ANY amount of money???????? - was both unethical and illegal!

leustrad, while you're very considerately protecting the Cast Member's privacy here, if you have identifying information about him - time, date, location, name - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact Walt Disney World in writing and report the incident!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I guess I'm in the few that doesn't understand why you wanted them to bend the rules? Stuff happens, even on vacation, but, how many people on boards do you abusing stuff (GAC?). If you got the 'well, we'll let it go this time" response, everyone online would claim the same thing to get something for free.

I don't blame Disney for sticking to policy. Kudos to them!
 
Oh, I think leustrad got a LOT WORSE than a "raw deal". What 'Greg' did - offering to BUY BACK their unused days for ANY amount of money???????? - was both unethical and illegal!

leustrad, while you're very considerately protecting the Cast Member's privacy here, if you have identifying information about him - time, date, location, name - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact Walt Disney World in writing and report the incident!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This. "Greg" buying those tickets should absolutely lead to him being fired. Sorry but that was very VERY wrong. I wish you had realized this and reported him to other management as soon as you were in the parks so he would be caught red handed with your tickets on him. It is very sad that he is getting away with this.

Other than that, I am very sorry for your loss, but I agree with the majority that while it is understandable that you forgot you could not park hop--it is in no way Disney's problem. The best thing to do at that point would have been to go back to AK and to buy the no expiration option for the tickets so you could use them again at another, less stressful, time.
 
Oh, I think leustrad got a LOT WORSE than a "raw deal". What 'Greg' did - offering to BUY BACK their unused days for ANY amount of money???????? - was both unethical and illegal!

leustrad, while you're very considerately protecting the Cast Member's privacy here, if you have identifying information about him - time, date, location, name - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact Walt Disney World in writing and report the incident!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Illegal? Please quote the law in Florida that applies here.

The CM gave him a dollar amount for the buy back. When you buy multi day tickets that first day cost the most and then the remaining are very much reduced. I have never heard of tickets being bought back, but it sounds reasonable. Perhaps the CMs have the leeway to offer that as an option.

And why do people want to have the CM "reported"? SO he can be retrained? Or fired? Perhaps "Gregg" had already been nice and upgraded a bunch of guest tickets for free on another day and was told if he did it again, it would be his job. Maybe he needs that job to pay his rent and put food on the table. Perhaps he could have offered to have a supervisor/manager assist the OP.

But imagine if the OP had come here and posted the same story with a different ending. What if "Gregg" said, fine, I'll add the hopper option and do it for free. Imagine all the people that read here who would say well, if he can do it, so can I. Next thing you know, hundreds of people will be demanding free upgrades due to unforeseen circumstances.

I am sorry the OP had the family loss. But at the same time, I think writing to WDW and reporting the "indecent", that is a bit heavy handed. The CM was doing his job as trained.
 
Illegal? Please quote the law in Florida that applies here.

The CM gave him a dollar amount for the buy back. When you buy multi day tickets that first day cost the most and then the remaining are very much reduced. I have never heard of tickets being bought back, but it sounds reasonable. Perhaps the CMs have the leeway to offer that as an option.

And why do people want to have the CM "reported"? SO he can be retrained? Or fired? Perhaps "Gregg" had already been nice and upgraded a bunch of guest tickets for free on another day and was told if he did it again, it would be his job. Maybe he needs that job to pay his rent and put food on the table. Perhaps he could have offered to have a supervisor/manager assist the OP.

But imagine if the OP had come here and posted the same story with a different ending. What if "Gregg" said, fine, I'll add the hopper option and do it for free. Imagine all the people that read here who would say well, if he can do it, so can I. Next thing you know, hundreds of people will be demanding free upgrades due to unforeseen circumstances.

I am sorry the OP had the family loss. But at the same time, I think writing to WDW and reporting the "indecent", that is a bit heavy handed. The CM was doing his job as trained.

His "job as trained" surely does not involve making private transactions with guests during work hours (buying ANYthing from them) and more so does not involve buying "non transferable tickets" (the MYW tickets are not transferable--thus the legal issue I would suppose) back from guests for incredibly low rates (presumably to then resell).

I agree with you that he did not need to wave the no park hopping option. Holding firm about that was FINE and in fact what i think he should have done.
 
But we don't know if he was offering to buy them as a "private" transaction or not. I am going to give hm the benefit of the doubt and say that he was trying to help the guy out and change the tickets from however maby days were left to tickets that would be used up that day with hopping. I don't have the price chart in front of me, but I know that the days get to be in the really really really cheap range the more you have on the tickets.

Now, if in fact he was going to buy them back under the table, then yes, shame on him and he deserves to lose his job. But I guess I have my Dosney coloured glasses on and don't believe that a CM would do that.
 
Okay I can see that it is possible that he was converting the longer use tickets into a shorter use ticket and refunding the difference to help the customer out rather than actually buying the ticket back has presented by the OP.. If so, this would be easily explained and documented if reported and there would be no issue. It is certainly not how the OP explains it--and it should be explained properly to the customer if that is what is happening, but maybe it was and OP was so upset over circumstances that he did not understand:confused3
The cost difference between a 3 day ticket (what OP seems to have used as this happened on the third day) and a 10 day ticket (assuming OP bought the longest for this 12 day trip) IS only $24 per person.After the fourth day it is only $3 for each added day.

OP--did "Greg" inform you about the option to buy a no expiration date add on so that you would not lose the full value of your tickets? I can certainly understand if you chose not to use it with other costs adding up at the time, but from a customer service standpoint I do think it should have been offered and explained. Also, can you clearly remember if this was presented as him "buying back" you unused ticket or as converting your longer ticket into the correct number of days to reflect your actual stay?
 
Okay I can see that it is possible that he was converting the longer use tickets into a shorter use ticket and refunding the difference to help the customer out rather than actually buying the ticket back has presented by the OP.. If so, this would be easily explained and documented if reported and there would be no issue.
Except that WALT DISNEY WORLD doesn't do this. Tickets are nontransferable AND NONREFUNDABLE.

Where's Cheshire Figment when we need him? Sleeping? How dare he? :teeth:
 


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