Communities with an HOA

[mrodgers]

And we wonder why there are so many threads over the years about people not getting along with their neighbors. Good grief.

Rules are rules are rules. And rules can be broken. Most usually are in some cases.

Ever consider the man has to go to work and perhaps this is his only way right now? Maybe instead of sending complaining emails someone could just ask the man?

If the worst thing a neighbor does is park a truck he uses for work in his driveway, consider yourself lucky and move on with your day. It really isn’t effecting you even if he is breaking a rule.

Come on now, we can't have some filthy blue collar worker infiltrating our elitist communities. It's ridiculous to think that someone would have a job and be doing well for themselves with a job so far beneath a pencil pusher.

 

[mjkacmom]

Come on now, we can't have some filthy blue collar worker infiltrating our elitist communities. It's ridiculous to think that someone would have a job and be doing well for themselves with a job so far beneath a pencil pusher.

I don’t want someone in my neighborhood with commercial vehicles in the driveway, makes the area look trashy. There are plenty of blue collar business owners in my immediate neighborhood (plumber, landscaper, tiler/carpet installer, township employee, they don’t leave their trucks in their driveways.

 

[mrodgers]

We had a neighbor who worked a night shift and took a motorcycle to work. Every night he'd be out there starting the incredibly loud engine and it took awhile. Woke me up every night. So I'd welcome some back-up beeps, myself, LOL!

So just bear in mind that if he winds up parking his truck 20 blocks away, he might opt to start riding a motorcycle from the house to get to his work truck every day!

Ha ha! That's what I would do.

I ride a motorcycle and such as this week, if I am working night shift I don't ride to work because I'd be burbling down the road at 5 am coming home. Living in a trailer park, we are all very close to each other. So close you can almost tell what everyone is watching on TV if you turn yours off.

I hate loud motorcycles, I think people are idiots for purposely making them loud. Can't buy a used bike that hasn't had $500 extremely loud pipes put on it. Next project for me is to quiet down my motorcycle. It's loud and it's how I bought it and I hate it. I didn't have $10k or more though to spend on a new one that was quiet (nor is a motorcycle worth $10k+ used or new to me.)

 

[Kestryl]

And you could live there 10 years, vote "no" on a new rule, but it still passes and you have to abide by it. If Congress passes a new law that you don't like should that mean you don't have to abide by it?

I’m not sure where the confusion is.

Hypothetical scenario. Person buys an HOA house. HOA has no restriction on pets. Person has two pets with plans to adopt more. They would not have moved to this house if there was a restriction. HOA now proposes rule that there is a two pet maximum. Person votes no, but rule still passes.

They still have to abide by the rule. It is disingenuous to state that if they wanted more pets, they should have never purchased that house.

I’m not saying that’s the case here. I just really dislike the comments that if someone didn’t like a specific rule, they should have never bought that house.

 

[mrodgers]

What extenuating circumstances could possibly force him park it at his home?

Losing your job and finding the only job available that will pay the bills is driving a tow truck perhaps?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Come on now, we can't have some filthy blue collar worker infiltrating our elitist communities. It's ridiculous to think that someone would have a job and be doing well for themselves with a job so far beneath a pencil pusher.

Weird to make assumptions about people...

I'm positive like a million percent that there are people in my neighborhood who would be categorized as blue collar. I suppose the blue collar workers including the one in the OP is then elitist..they are afterall living in the neighborhood. Be careful who you insult.

 

[luvsJack]

Weird to make assumptions about people...

I'm positive like a million percent that there are people in my neighborhood who would be categorized as blue collar. I suppose the blue collar workers including the one in the OP is then elitist..they are afterall living in the neighborhood. Be careful who you insult.

The “elitist” would be the ones who have an issue with the blue collar workers A person can live in any neighborhood and not be an elitist.

But that is the way this whole thing comes across.

Commercial trucks are “trashy”. It’s ok if you know the person does the work, just don’t want to see it or the neighbors see it. That would just be too much.

 

[luvsJack]

Wow, I'm sorry you have to deal with this. That's just awful.

I might can buy the whole beeping thing. But the “its unsightly” Just sounds petty.

Have you asked the man why he brings the truck to his house? Have you mentioned that the beeping keeps you up at night? (I am guessing it’s at night, surely you aren’t complaining about noise during the day).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The “elitist” would be the ones who have an issue with the blue collar workers A person can live in any neighborhood and not be an elitist.

But that is the way this whole thing comes across.

Commercial trucks are “trashy”. It’s ok if you know the person does the work, just don’t want to see it or the neighbors see it. That would just be too much.

No the way the poster phrased it as "our elitist communities"

So if you are a blue collar worker who moved into an HOA neighborhood then you are part of that elitist community. So in other words the PP was insulting the blue collar workers who opt to live in an HOA neighborhood.

 

[luvsJack]

No the way the poster phrased it as "our elitist communities"

So if you are a blue collar worker who moved into an HOA neighborhood then you are part of that elitist community. So in other words the PP was insulting the blue collar workers who opt to live in an HOA neighborhood.

You and I both know that wasn’t what the poster meant.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

You and I both know that wasn’t what the poster meant.

I'm going by the phrasing. Please don't patronize me.

You can say "don't want those elitists, etc."

But when you call an entire community elitist (and they said "elitist communities") then anyone who resides in that community becomes part of that.

Different ways of phrasing things create different interpretations.

 

[sam_gordon]

I’m not sure where the confusion is.

Hypothetical scenario. Person buys an HOA house. HOA has no restriction on pets. Person has two pets with plans to adopt more. They would not have moved to this house if there was a restriction. HOA now proposes rule that there is a two pet maximum. Person votes no, but rule still passes.

They still have to abide by the rule. It is disingenuous to state that if they wanted more pets, they should have never purchased that house.

I’m not saying that’s the case here. I just really dislike the comments that if someone didn’t like a specific rule, they should have never bought that house.

Now I see where you're coming from. In your hypothetical, I would ASSUME the two current pets would be "grandfathered" in. But yes, I would think they wouldn't be allowed to adopt more.

 

[tvguy]

I know but I'm also talking about pick up at schools. The schools are in the residential areas. The elementary school is a street away from me. Residential pick up would be the same risk as commercial pick up though I believe my city lumps school contracts in with residential. They use the mechanical arm. There's never been a complaint to my knowledge about the garbage trucks picking up residential trash from people's homes when the kids are walking to school which between all the areas someone is going to have their trash picked up around 8am when schools start.

Your prior comment was that it was for safety though you're adding that they may not have access during normal business hours (which I'm not saying isn't necessarily the case in your area). Somehow they may it work in my area with all the schools around where many of them are contained within the neighborhood or very close to neighborhoods. Different areas may have different parameters though. I just don't think your area is doing it for safety but my area is not doing what your area is doing and isn't concerned about safety (edited: reworded sentence) if that makes sense.

Now malls and the like I'm going to guess noise ordinances are what's going to be more prevalent there as there's less pedestrian traffic likely. Consideration towards higher residential make ups may be done to mitigate sounds. The main mall I go to (aside from outdoor ones around) has 1 neighborhood area one 1 side. There is a higher brick wall on that one side that I'm sure is to help with the sound as much as it is for looks.

Schools are in residential areas here too for the most part. I guess they just feel a bang in the night is worth it for the safety.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Schools are in residential areas here too for the most part. I guess they just feel a bang in the night is worth it for the safety.

I don't know how else to explain it. But I suspect that given many other places in the county are probably set up the same way as mine where trash collection is not done overnight for schools or homes for that matter and there's not a rash of news stories about kids being run over or hit by trash trucks left and right day in and day out (I'm not saying no kid ever hasn't been hit just that it's not super soooo crazy prevalent it necessitates an extreme choice made such as picking up at 3am) other places must be doing something else that other areas just can't OR won't do. That's why I mentioned different safety procedures. Picking up overnight, at 3am, is simply not the only way if your provider is worried about safety.

But that's what makes it interesting I guess is learning different ways places do things.

 

[Moliphino]

I don’t want someone in my neighborhood with commercial vehicles in the driveway, makes the area look trashy. There are plenty of blue collar business owners in my immediate neighborhood (plumber, landscaper, tiler/carpet installer, township employee, they don’t leave their trucks in their driveways.

My neighbor is an electrician, which I only know because he parks his van in the driveway. I don't really get what's trashy about that.

 

[tvguy]

I don't know how else to explain it. But I suspect that given many other places in the county are probably set up the same way as mine where trash collection is not done overnight for schools or homes for that matter and there's not a rash of news stories about kids being run over or hit by trash trucks left and right day in and day out (I'm not saying no kid ever hasn't been hit just that it's not super soooo crazy prevalent it necessitates an extreme choice made such as picking up at 3am) other places must be doing something else that other areas just can't OR won't do. That's why I mentioned different safety procedures. Picking up overnight, at 3am, is simply not the only way if your provider is worried about safety.

But that's what makes it interesting I guess is learning different ways places do things.

I will have to poke around and see what I can find out locally. But Googling "why is commercial trash picked up overnight?" generates a lot of places where it is the norm, and where is is also controversial. Like Hoboken, where trash can't be picked up before 1130 pm or after 530 am. https://www.hobokennj.gov/faqs/why-does-garbage-pickup-take-place-at-night

 

[jiminyC_fan]

Trashy and unslightly. I'm sorry but those words got on my last nerve. Someone has to do those jobs but they aren't good enough to live in your neighborhood. God forbid you need a tow truck driver sometime down the road during the night. Don't complain if it takes awhile to rescue you. He may need to drive his car over to the business to pick up his truck and then go help you. Or hope that you never need that plumber quickly on a weekend. He will need to leave his house and family, drive to the office to pick up that work truck just so he can take care of your emergency. Don't complain that he wasn't there within an hour or two. After all, no one wants them in their neighborhood because they are unsightly and trashy.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I will have to poke around and see what I can find out locally. But Googling "why is commercial trash picked up overnight?" generates a lot of places where it is the norm, and where is is also controversial. Like Hoboken, where trash can't be picked up before 1130 pm or after 530 am. https://www.hobokennj.gov/faqs/why-does-garbage-pickup-take-place-at-night

Oh I have no doubt other places do it. I don't think it's a one size fits all thing for sure.

I do think claiming safety makes it sound like other places that don't do that way are somehow being unsafe because of that. I think that's why I commented about that in the first place. There's clearly not an issue in my area or other areas either so somehow they are able to make the process safe without resorting to picking up at 3am. From the beginning of my comments I felt like there were more pressing reasons for a decision like that to be made because if safety was the number one upmost reason one could make the case that those places that state it's for safety primarily could look to the places that have high pedestrian traffic, are in residential areas, and yet still manage to pick up during the day rather than overnight for ways they can improve their safety methods and procedures. That's purely my opinion there

But in respects to the article you posted..that's in NYC metro not the suburbia. Not saying that those same reasons listed in the article can't be reasons another area uses as I'm sure there are places out there but NYC is way different than my surburbia. You won't find the same sounds going non-stop like you would here. We stayed at my husband's uncle's place in West New York, NJ in 2011 which is about 3-4miles from the center of Hoboken and being in that area is vastly different than my area. Side note riding the Jitney buses were quite the experience lol.

 

[luvsJack]

Oh I have no doubt other places do it. I don't think it's a one size fits all thing for sure.

I do think claiming safety makes it sound like other places that don't do that way are somehow being unsafe because of that. I think that's why I commented about that in the first place. There's clearly not an issue in my area or other areas either so somehow they are able to make the process safe without resorting to picking up at 3am. From the beginning of my comments I felt like there were more pressing reasons for a decision like that to be made because if safety was the number one upmost reason one could make the case that those places that state it's for safety primarily could look to the places that have high pedestrian traffic, are in residential areas, and yet still manage to pick up during the day rather than overnight for ways they can improve their safety methods and procedures. That's purely my opinion there

But in respects to the article you posted..that's in NYC metro not the suburbia. Not saying that those same reasons listed in the article can't be reasons another area uses as I'm sure there are places out there but NYC is way different than my surburbia. You won't find the same sounds going non-stop like you would here. We stayed at my husband's uncle's place in West New York, NJ in 2011 which is about 3-4miles from the center of Hoboken and being in that area is vastly different than my area. Side note riding the Jitney buses were quite the experience lol.

Saying that pick up times in one area at a certain time for safety reasons is in no way implying that other areas are unsafe if they don’t do it that way.

I don’t know the pp’s area’s decision but I do know here that the schools requested different timing for safety concerns. And my guess is that the school and the company came to an agreement on the time. The company has other routes so they had to do what works for them too. It’s safe FOR THEM. Not for any other area or place or school or neighborhood but for that one.

And just because your area have not felt the need to make that decision does not mean that my situation or his is for some other reason.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Saying that pick up times in one area at a certain time for safety reasons is in no way implying that other areas are unsafe if they don’t do it that way.

I don’t know the pp’s area’s decision but I do know here that the schools requested different timing for safety concerns. And my guess is that the school and the company came to an agreement on the time. The company has other routes so they had to do what works for them too. It’s safe FOR THEM. Not for any other area or place or school or neighborhood but for that one.

And just because your area have not felt the need to make that decision does not mean that my situation or his is for some other reason.

Around here they would just avoid that particular school around that exact time if that was the issue and the school requested it. They would still do it during the day. They wouldn't resort to going overnight as if that's the only reason one can come up with. Like I said going overnight isn't the only way to address safety concerns. Other mitigating reasons may be really coming into play..I suspect that's largely the reason.

My county is nearly 600K people..I'm going to guess they've got something figured out to be able to not do these things overnight

Your area is free to do what they feel the need to do obviously.